Can we please stop calling them little brother?
While MSU has taken advantage of the RR debacle, which continues to resonate with the personnel this year, fact remains that MSU is an inferior football program and thus remains Little Brother. Meaning, while UM's been on a four year bender, UM still has a far higher upside than MSU.
MSU can only jump so high (rankings/recruiting), just like you'd expect from a little brother. Sniff a top 5 ranking, beat Wisconsin, win the Big 10 outright this year, and we can talk. Other programs have enjoyed win streaks against us recently, so it's not like MSU has relatively risen. They have just enjoyed the spoils of our four year bender. Good for them.
This loss, and 4 in a row, sting no doubt, but with Brandon, Hoke, Borges, Mattison, and the recruiting headway, in a year or two big brother's gonna get back to holding the ball over little brother's head, where only big brother can reach, and big brother's going to get back to national top 5 relevance, again, where little brother can't reach.
is a state fan. He will ALWAYS be a state fan. He will ALWAYS be my little brother. So NO
When they stop acting like it.
This. A thousand times.
These are the exact words that popped into my head as well.
Mike Hart did not make them little brother, he just observed the way they already act.
"Little Brother" could not be a more appropriate decscription of the Spartoons.
is just as bad as trying to snap someone's neck, punching someone in the face, and hitting people late all day? Please. Get real. You know why they're little brother? They're little brother because we own them. They are our bitches. We own them academically, socially, and athletically. Look up the all time record and then ask who's little brother. That's not a question, that's an order. Look it up. You're just some Sparty homer coming on here to troll. We don't want you or your STD-ridden co-eds.
I know that you like to start rants and stir up controversy, but you do understand the nature of a rivalry, right? Because talking smack about the other fanbases is part of the deal.
And fine, let's stop with the little brother names if they stop with Walmart Wolverines. And how about UM fans and alums just point out the school's superior academic reputation, more illustrious alumni, more iconic campus, etc? Those aren't changing any time soon.
I actually like "Walmart Wolverines". It honors us. It says that we are such a compelling program that people who do not have an automatic connection to the University still want to be part of it.
I live on the East Coast. I see lots of Michigan attire on fans of all stripes. I don't ever see anything about Michigan State. Nothing. Michigan State is not even a regional program. It's a few counties in the State of Michigan.
I agree - living on the east coast and seeing UM gear is nice. The school is definitely a national brand. But it just seems lazy on the fan's part to say "Walmart Wolverines" as if it is clever.
The reason why they are called little brother extends way beyond the football field.
Something most Sparty fans don't seem to comprehend.
Honestly, I've never really understood the little brother thing, b/c who doesn't like a little brother? MSU seems more like a douchey, failing cousin.
I was thinking more like creepy, mentally imbalanced uncle. Yeah, a creepy uncle that got buff because while he was in prison all he did was work out. Now that hs is out, he always wears a mesh tank top to make sure that people can see his muscles. While he thinks that everybody is checking him out for being so buff, they really are just marveling at how creepy he is. Yeah, that guy.
the whole little brother thing is lame imo, a sign of disrespcet imo. I think it should die with "michigan man". Btw is it me, or is everyone in Troy a fucking sparty fan now? or everyone in Michigan is now a lions fan. So sick of bandwagoners. Especially with the lions, ruin for us fans who stuck by them when they were shit.
and Greeks aren't fond of each other. And yeah, little brother is a sign of disrespect. MSU doesn't deserve any respect and won't be getting some anytime soon.
The Lions are a special circumstance. There is no such thing as bandwagoners with the Lions. They had so much support before, and then it slowly dropped off as they became awful. Even when they were bad, they still had a ton of support in Detroit. There is a video of the fans throwing the Fire Millen sign all over ford field to keep it away from the security (WTF NO FIRST AMENDMENT IN FORD FIELD??!!) all while Millen sits up top watching. That's still support. They are good now, so some fans that lost touch came back, and some new ones came too. No big deal.
The First Amendment is not about the right of anyone to say anything at any time. It only protects you against STATE interference with the right to speak. There is no such thing as a "First Amendment" claim in private situations.
Ford Field security is not a state actor, so they can tape your mouth shut, require you to pray to Zeus, or kick you out for wearing a red shirt, and none of what they did will violate the First Amendment. It's like if you cam into my house and said something I didn't like. I can kick you out, and the Constitution has nothing to do with it.
If you lay that Zeus line on a jury, you'll own them.
The thing about the Lions is that the support was there, and then as Millen worked his magic people don't want to drop 70 bucks on a game or a couple Hundred bucks to watch a team that's going nowhere.
Yes there are bandwagoners, but for the most part the Lions fans have just not wasted their money on a losing product, and will now due to our success
It's kind of like when someone has bad acne all over their face. You wouldn't make fun of them about it, but the fact of the matter is you can see it, and they know it's there. You don't have to say anything to them and it's like they already know what you are thinking.
I'm pretty sure that NAILS it. =)
Hell no. Being little brother is so much more than football. The saying didnt start when Hart said it, its nothing new.
We could lose to MSU 100 times in a row and I would still call them Little Brother.
If Dantonio and their fans had not taken it so seriously and just ignored it, we all would have a good laugh when Mike Hart said it four years ago, and by now it would have mostly been forgotten. But when your coach brings attention to it, it is like he is owning the moniker, and from there it took on a life of its own. It wasn't very hard for the fan base to own it because in a way, they have always felt that way. I know enough Sparties and their attitudes speak volumes. They know UM has always been better both academically and athletically (and not just football, but the overall collection of sports at each school). That is the main reason that they have taken on the "little brother" name so perfectly and the best part is that they do not not even realize it.
We have a winner.
Endorse this comment. The whole problem was Dantonio acting like that was the worst thing ever said about his program in the history of the universe, and making everyone in EL dwell on it for the last 4 years. Hoke kicked his ass in recruiting for next year and MSU will go 2-4 the rest of the way just like always, and act like that's a satisfying season. Little brother they shall remain for all eternity. Keep the saying.
Yeah, because calling them little brother is terribly damaging to their school and its reputation, but allowing criminals, degenerates and savages to suit up in their uniform is good for the brand. What a bunch of imbeciles.
I have nothing but contempt for Dantonio, Narduzzi, Gholston, Rush, and the rest of that disgusting crew of thugs but until we can beat them consistently again calling them little brother makes us look ridiculous. We should stick to calling them punks, assholes, criminals, and thugs.
Darius Morris would like you to "get the fuck off my court".
Can we ban this dumbass?
You only get banned for being a dick, a troll, or the guy who refuses to stop posting pictures of boobs.
Being really, really, really, ridiculously wrong, even on a regular basis, is not hammerworthy. If it was, only THE_KNOWLEDGE would be left.
They ARE little brother, and always will be.
Let's mention that the first 3 of those 4 years was the worst 3 years in the 130 YEAR HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM!!!!!!! They have not passed us, we fell beneath them. Big brother sprained his ankle playing ball in the driveway and has been slowed down as a result, little brother didn't just all of a sudden get better.
When big brothers ankle is back to 100% we'll see the family dynamics return to normal.
PS: I'm sorry for the overextended metaphor.
the metaphor was well said. For some reason it has given me peace for the time being. I truly hate Michigan State...
Let's stop calling them little brother. I mean, after today, I wouldn't want Michigan to be considered in the same family as that classless team.
If Mike Hart wants us to call them little brother, then we will call them little brother. I can't wait till he's our head coach and officially changes their name to "Little Brother", just like what Hoke did with "Ohio".
I hate everything involving any mention of MSU right now... the Little Bro meme, the discussion of the meme, the way they play football, Mark D'Antonio, Mark D'Antonio's wry smile, etc, etc, etc... Yes, Michigan needed to play harder and be stronger, but the penalty count and variety demonstrates that the Spartan team is
Fuck them all, and may Russell Wilson, Montee Ball and James White piss on their ashes.
ps... I have really conflicting feelings about Devin Gardner. When he finally gets a chance to take over the reigns, his physical abilities will be a breath of fresh air. Still has a ways to go mentally, but that size will be an enormous benefit down the road. I love Denard, and I will not clamor for him to get benched, but he is all over the place, and I'm pretty sure msu blue-printed how to stop our offense. Urban hit the nail on the head, amidst the bewilderment of putting Devin Gardner on the field: the coaches consider him to be one of their potential playmakers, and I'm pretty happy that he's getting a chance to play more and more.
WIth time and therapy, they may get over the inferiority complex. It isn't so much the football program per se, although the fact that theirs is statistically and historically inferior is part of it, but the mindset of the MSU fanbase. "Little brother" describes it very well in a way.
be little brother ....Most schools are little brother to us..We have been around a lot longer ...And besides,most msu fans are ass holes and hate being called little brother so obviously Im always calling them that,among other things...
Until they win six in a row or eight out of ten they haven't done anything. In the last ten games they still sit at 40%. Yes, they have my attention but it's not for the play on the field as much as it's for the disgusting behavior they display and seem to glorify. Women and children from their fan base even act like hillbilly pigs. Obsessed and possessed with trashy actions and morals.
It's gonna get messy next year in AA (and by messy I do not mean 'full of litter' as in East Lansing).
Still little bro, but I really don't care what anyone calls them. Call them what you want. I just want to beat their ass. I miss that Paul Bunyan fella.
Little thug brother. That's what they played like. Never seen so many cheap shots..specially from gholston . MSU little thug brother..
All Moo U wants is for us to think of them like we do Ohio and we will never do that so they need to realize that.
Nope. I won't stop calling them little brother. They have a classless coach, thug players and no respect for the game of football. They can eat a big fat one.
That is loser mentality! They will always be little brother.
Like any analogy, it can only be pushed so far. If someone thinks it no longer applies, that's fine with me. I'll continue to use it though. When Hart used it, it certainly explained Michigan's complete dominance on the football field. Now, though, it has take on a life of its own. As another poster pointed out, if the MSU coach hadn't made such a big deal of it, it would have faded away by now. It still applies, just in a slightly different form. Here is the text of mine from a different thread:
It's kind of sad in a way. To them, the game with us seems to be the one and only regular season game they point to all year. It really seems like a spoiled little brother throwing a tantrum because he's jealous of his big brother's successes. A tip for MSU, though, raging against Michigan won't make your inferiority complex go away
Sparty will never be an equal. If they win the next 33 in a row and even up the series, then I will consider it. Of course, that will make me over 90 years old, so my parameters may have changed a bit.
I spoke to Mike Hart,...he said no...so NO.
The concept of 'little brother' is somewhat akin to the shit stain on your underwear. You will never be able to get rid of either. No matter what you do, that stain will always be there. And for the majority of the time, it's inconsequential. No one can see it or smell it but you know it will be there. Sometimes it can be the source of embarrassment but usually it's a non-issue. Therefore, I'm not sure how you can suggest that we drop the concept of little brother. MSU, the shit stain on your underwear, will always be little brother
It is their manifest destiny.
I can imagine the older one saying, "If you win just thirty-three more times, we'll call it a draw"
I made this comment in an earlier thread. We look stupid calling them little brother. They have the upper hand in the rivalry right now and they have the better team. Calling them little brother at this point is juvenille gamesmanship. It's even more juvenille considering they are the better team, talentwise.
I know they are cheap shot artists, dirty and thugs, I get all that, but it's like you getting beat 100 times in a row and then you win once and you act like you superior. If we stop with the lillte brother crap and just let them enjoy their win and next year we come out and kick their asses, it will be so much better.
Little brother is something they would do. LET IT DIE!
You always seem to have a good point, but you express it in the absolutely worst way possible. If this topic came from nearly anyone else on the board there'd be a more positive response. Maybe you should have been more creative when you made your newest username.
.. When you're inferior human beings, you need to be treated like it.
It blows my mind how many people on here are still shit talking after we got our asses handed to us yesterday. I love Michigan, but honesty, some of you are acting ridiculous. When we finally womp Ohio after thanksgiving and their fans continue to talk shit, and you guys are all like "how can they run their mouths? We just beat them!" it will also be important to have chosen whether your prefer to be the pot or the kettle....
Yes, Hart was talking solely about the football game itself when he made that comment. But it has taken on a life of its own, in no small part to Dantonio and fans harping on it. As others have pointed out, though "little brother" is a damn fine analogy. It explains quite a lot. M is older, has better facilities, better academic reputation, more money in grants and donations.
Look at some of the MSU fan sites (granted, there aren't that many) and what the fans are claiming. Only a small percentage of their fans even grudingly acknowledge that the late face mask twist on Robinson is a problem. Most of the fans are happy trying to prove their superiority by attacking the straw man that Michigan fans are blaming the loss on Spartan dirty play. Really? What kind of mindset comes up with that fiction? An insecure little brother who can't stand up to the reality that the University of Michigan is the top university in the state... always has been, always will be.
"What kind of mindset comes up with that fiction? "
Once again, we're all they really have, or rather, they choose - for various historical reasons on and off the football field - to put all their eggs in this particular basket. Single-minded obsession tends to warp your notion of what is right and wrong, particularly in sports apparently. Of course, if you were instilled with no such scruples, then that is truly sad (I fear many Spartan fans probably do not actually know the rules of the game). The mindset that obsession creates is core to the "little brother" moniker, and it is fairly descriptive.
I am glad we don't share this obsession with this game. Indeed, if we were in different conferences and rarely played each other, would we even REALLY know who they were other than some other school in Michigan?
They wanna stop being called little brother, they gotta stop ackin like little brother
As much as it pains me to say it, right NOW they are not little brother. They are bigger, stronger, and faster than us at nearly every position. The fact that we hung in there and had a chance to win speaks to the heart and character of this team. We lost to a better team - I think the best team we will play this season.
Frankly, minus the complete thuggery they show and an asshat coach, it's the kind of team I look forward to watching in the Big House very soon.
I also think their game versus Wisky has a chance to be very interesting. I think MSU will have a chance to win it.
I never cared for the little brother moniker, but it's not like the school isn't still preoccupied with UM and being "better" than them. The little brother thing isn't just about football; it is about the entire mindset of the two fanbases. For UM, winning or losing to MSU in sports isn't a huge deal - it happens and people move on. But this is based on experience (and I attended the two for 3 years - I saw it), they derive a level of pleasure from beating UM that is hard to understand. So yeah, maybe calling them little brother is dumb, but they still act like a self-conscious little brother who always wants to hang out with the cooler older brother. That isn't going to change with a couple of wins.
getting beaten soundly yesterday? The false bravado going on is so high school. We got beat by the better team yesterday. I agree, they are bigger, stronger and faster and almost every position on the field. Everyone here wants MSU to shut up and go away...well...then we need to get better and beat them on the field.
Trash talking when you lose is for losers!
and calls us stupid little names, do we have to follow suit? Isn't that coming down to their level. If we are so superior, then why are we playing their game? We should act like the Leaders and Best and not be so juvenille when they are clearly better on the field. When we start beating them consistenly again, then we can talk trash.
"Little Brother" is like a fly-swatter. We only use it when they start buzzing around our heads trying to annoy us. The rest of the time we just . . . well, actually the rest of the time we just don't think about them at all.
Seriously, how much do you think about MSU during Ohio State week, New Year's Day Bowl Games, the Notre Dame game, the season opener, even the Little Brown Jug game? Yeah, I thought so.
Man Up seriously !
Even if State beats us in every NCAA sport for the next 1000 years they will still be inferior. Actually, even if we didn't compete in sports at all, MSU would still be the lesser institution. That will never change.
They will always be little brother. Let them smile this year while they bag our groceries.
In fact, let's come up with an even more belittling name. Like "little step-brother", "little brother on death row", or even "I'm really aggressive because I'm secretly gay and having a hard time excepting that little brother".
I'll tell you what . . . when they win some big games that have nothing to do with us, or we lose some big games that have nothing to do with them, and there are not a thousand Sparty trolls that want to tell us all about it, then I'll think about not calling them Little Brother.
They want attention from us too much as their Big Brother to abandon them now in their time of need. It's the sacrifice we must make.
Who here thinks little brother is a disrespectful term? Because I am a little brother and don't see it as disrespectful, it's just who they are. They are the inferior team that is always trying to impress and equal their big brothers. And as a little brother, I had times where I had streaks of success against my big brother in sports. It didn't change our standing.
But I do not think that they will appreciate "that stupid thug from down the street" anymore than "little brother."
It's not because of the game yesterday or recent history or football in general. It's because it's stupid. The "little brother" thing was funny for maybe the first week, but it has gone on way too long and has been embarrassingly stupid for years now. It's no more clever than O$U or scUM.
Also, for the people arguing that it's totally apropos, do you have a real little brother? Do you feel the same about him as you do about MSU? If so, you're either a terrible brother, or MSU is your second favorite team.
Can't argue with your second point, but...
The term "little brother" is actually pretty apt. I didn't think much about it until this thread, but now that I think about it, it's right. Little brother doesn't mean the one who loses all the time (just ask my husband, who is a little brother, and his brother). Little brother is the one who came second, who has to live up the big brother's accomplishments, or surpasses him if he's capable. The big brother usually sets the standards that the little brother lives up to, and sometimes the little brother does and sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes the little brother beats the crap out of the big brother. Sometimes they get along and sometimes they don't. Sometimes they resent each other's accomplishments. Sometimes they just think the other one is stupid.
In our case, we will likely never get along, although I do remember the "Dantonio had a heart attack" thread, and as I recall, we acted like a pretty good big brother that day.
no because we took the high road and they threw punches like a little bro
I don't think 'Little Brother' really fits anymore. I have no feelings of brotherhood for that group of punch throwing, late hitting, facemask pulling, marching band taunting, garbage throwing, "butthurt" using bunch of jagoffs.
To me, they're just a gang of classless thugs, and I want nothing to do with them.
I used to root for them when they were playing anyone else. Now I hope that Wisconsin pounds them into a fine powder, and that the Badger O-Line completely embarrasses Gholston. And then, I hope the Huskers dismantle them the week after.
Because it pisses off anyone and everyone associated with MSU. While I really did not care for the comment when Mike Hart made it, it has grown with each year that Sparty beats us.
I respect those who say that we should act like we've been there before. Well we have, and we learned to both with and lose with a certain amount of dignity. MSU, on the other hand, looks like shit even when they win a big game, which yesterday's game was. The thuggish behavior during the game is just symptomatic of the entire program and coaching staff.
MSU players' taunting and reaction to the victory was clear evidence that they have not been there before and may never get there anyway.
i was on my phone reading this today. i couldn't wait to get home just so i could meaninglessly downvote it