Brady Hoke's Timeline: Inevitable Fate?
With all the celebrations going on today (rightfully so - it's happening), what do you guys now think of Hoke's future? Mid-season termination is improbable for various reasons, but doesn't Halloween's greatest gift of all time perhaps change this forseeable outcome?
For the record, I love Hoke's enthusiasm and values when it comes to individual/team integrity. If I had it my way, I would simply relegate him to a positional coach. Say, OL and/or DL. Would much rather do without Funk.
In any event, how do you think the rest of this unravels and then culminates?
October 31st, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^
I think Hoke's timeline remains the same. He's gone after Ohio.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^
October 31st, 2014 at 3:20 PM ^
We can only hope...
October 31st, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^
It should live on. The irony of them being deeply offended (so they say) by a term they constantly use themselves is too delicious.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:34 PM ^
October 31st, 2014 at 3:49 PM ^
"This is Michigan, forgodsakes" was also a great line. And it might sound even better coming out of Harbaugh's mouth. He'd probably growl it out so angrily and forcefully it'd frighten everyone in the room.
October 31st, 2014 at 4:14 PM ^
So I don't have to get rid of my "fergodsakes" shirt? Good.
October 31st, 2014 at 5:17 PM ^
October 31st, 2014 at 6:35 PM ^
let's go back to OSU and not besmirch the name of Ohio ( ntosu )
October 31st, 2014 at 6:51 PM ^
October 31st, 2014 at 10:02 PM ^
It's clear from you short posting history you're an Ohio fan. Your making an appearance to tell us it doesn't bother you indicates to me it does.
October 31st, 2014 at 10:46 PM ^
The Noid doth protest too much, methinks.
October 31st, 2014 at 5:02 PM ^
October 31st, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^
I think the goal was to fire BRANDON after OSU and use December to find an AD knowing that you were buying time until bowl season and the end of the NFL season (when the candidates are better). That way the new AD could fire Hoke around 12/27, 12/28 and hire a new coach 1/5 or 1/6 and have the press conference at the end of that week.
Why that timeline?
Now you don't get that awkward "I've got to focus on a bowl game" or "We've still got games left in the regular season" press conference.
You don't want to be without a head coach for over a month, that's craziness. You want to stall on firing Hoke and taking care of Brandon after OSU gives you that time.
Now you lose that excuse because you can wait to fire Hoke knowing you don't have an AD, that's reasonable to EVERYONE. You can't wait to fire Hoke after hiring a new AD, everyone knows he's gone.
Hopefully that makes sense.
If I'm the UofM President, I stall like crazy on this AD search, buy myself as much time as possible and when I hire a new AD, I tell him to take his customary 2 weeks. I don't want a new AD (on the job and in the office) until mid-December.
If a new AD is hired in mid-December, he'll get a pass for a week of "we'll evaluate all of our coaches" plus you have the holiday. That gets you to that 12/27, 12/28 timeframe I was talking about for Hoke.
October 31st, 2014 at 4:49 PM ^
I think it's not very likely for a new AD to conduct a thorough search and hire the new football coach in just over a week.
That timeline seems totally unreasonable to me.
October 31st, 2014 at 4:57 PM ^
I think that's too far into the future to get a good coaching hire. I think the sooner the better. Send him on his way after The Game and then you immediately start back channeling with your candidates if you haven't begun doing so already. A lot of hires occur before a team's bowl game takes place.
Don't forget Michigan won't be the only big program looking for a new head coach. Florida will be another very attractive coaching position and I doubt they'll feel the need to wait until after the bowl season/national championship playoffs have finished. If you want Mullen, you better start sooner than the very end of December. If you want Harbaugh, you can get him before the end of the NFL season.
October 31st, 2014 at 5:20 PM ^
I think the goal was to fire BRANDON after OSU and use December to find an AD knowing that you were buying time until bowl season and the end of the NFL season (when the candidates are better).
Are you saying that you thought this was Schlissel's plan, or that it would have been the best plan? It seems pretty clear to me that he was ready to act pretty quickly - the rumor of him asking Brandon to resign appears to have been true.
You want to stall on firing Hoke and taking care of Brandon after OSU gives you that time. Now you lose that excuse because you can wait to fire Hoke knowing you don't have an AD, that's reasonable to EVERYONE. You can't wait to fire Hoke after hiring a new AD, everyone knows he's gone.
I don't see why this is a big deal. It's just a few weeks. It's not like Hoke's job security was strong before today anyway.
October 31st, 2014 at 8:04 PM ^
The timeline remains the same.
The only difference is who will name his successor.
And that difference is reason to celebrate!!!
October 31st, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^
The sooner the better
October 31st, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^
Per the MLive article on Hackett, he had to fire thousands of Steelcase employees, including the best man in his wedding. Suffice to say, I think he's capable of doing what needs to be done.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:30 PM ^
No way. Having the interim AD hire the new coach would be extremely awkward. The new coach needs to be hired by the new AD. He needs to be his (or her) guy
October 31st, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^
October 31st, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^
He's referring to firing Hoke.
October 31st, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^
Firing the current coach and hiring the next don't necessarily have to be performed by the same guy. This is especially true if a new AD has already been identified but not necessarily in place by the time the OSU game rolls around. Let the interim guy be the bad guy, that way the new AD can sweep in with all the necessary bravado and make it publicly known that hiring the best football coach is priority number one.
October 31st, 2014 at 4:19 PM ^
Yes they do. What are you going to do - fire Hoke and say, "well, we are waiting to move on seaching for a new coach until the new AD is hired". That would put the entire team in limbo. You can't name an offseason only interim coach.
A new AD search has already begun - the new AD needs to be in place by the game, so Hoke can be fired the next day and the search can begin right then and there.
October 31st, 2014 at 2:58 PM ^
Something absolutely horrendous happens, I can't see them firing BH until after the season. I imagine that an interim AD isn't going to be wanting to make such a huge decision, so I suspect that finding an AD will come first.
October 31st, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^
would be to have the interim AD fire Hoke. Leave the new AD with a clean slate and not receive criticism from the pro Hoke contigent. I agree it should be made known now that Hoke will not coach at Michigan next year. This way should he win against OSU or even make a bowl his fate is sealed.
October 31st, 2014 at 4:11 PM ^
I think this makes a lot of sense. The less criticism the better for the new AD, but I feel like the Hoke supporters dissappeared last Saturday.
October 31st, 2014 at 4:22 PM ^
have seen no spark in the play of this team. the defense is okay, in a bend but dont break (often) way, but they get no turnovers. the offense is still what I believe Brian calls "sludgefart".
Lets hope the 49ers situation deteriorates fast. Sounds as if Harbaugh's personality, like Saban's, works better in college. He getting to the age where the idea of coming back to Michigan for a nice decade long run better shuffling off to network tv land........
October 31st, 2014 at 4:59 PM ^
October 31st, 2014 at 10:56 PM ^
There are plenty of people that think highly of Brady Hoke, I now know none that think highly of Brady Hoke Head Football Coach. I believe the idea that Hoke won't be back next fall is near unanimous. And not unanimous as a resignation to the inevitable, but unanimous as in everyone agrees it just isn't ever going to work.
October 31st, 2014 at 2:58 PM ^
I've been advocating the Earle Bruce approach (with 100% less venom than OSU had for Bruce). Announce the coaching search immediately before The Game.
Benefits include motivation for the team to send him out with a win, and also it avoids any second-guessing if he somehow won against OSU before being let go. In any event, I hope Coach Hoke has a merciful exit.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:10 PM ^
Excellent suggestion (and yes I know you've been advocating it for a while) and hope we follow this plan.
October 31st, 2014 at 4:22 PM ^
In coming away from The Game with a win if we follow the Earle Bruce Plan.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:12 PM ^
That's a good idea
October 31st, 2014 at 4:10 PM ^
Hoke is dopey, and the DB-PR doublespeak was always way beyond him; but I don't see any malice or venom in the man. Let the team know there is no turning back... let the fans know the new era has started... let him just clap off into his sunset, while visions of Sugar Bowls dance in his head...
October 31st, 2014 at 6:10 PM ^
Why wait for The Game? Motivation for remainder of the schedule.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:01 PM ^
Win out and never look back 135! GO BLUE!
October 31st, 2014 at 3:13 PM ^
your MGoPoints.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:22 PM ^
Unintended
October 31st, 2014 at 3:28 PM ^
consequence.
(I've been trying desperately for the past 4.5 years to bolster my points, but I've been really bad at it. Now I know the trick.)
November 1st, 2014 at 1:35 AM ^
October 31st, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^
Ideally he will be hired the Monday or Tuesday of the next bye week. Gives him (or her) time to evaluate the team and coaching staff over the rest of the season. Hoke will be fired after the Ohio State game.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:06 PM ^
I presume the public posting of the job will be up sometime next week in order to start that clock ticking.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:04 PM ^
I really hope the next staff can find a role for him. He loves M so much and is a great role model. It will be really would be hard to see him go regardless of his W/L column. I doubt he would take a demotion unforntunately.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:36 PM ^
Him or Mattison for recruiting coordinator!
October 31st, 2014 at 6:21 PM ^
but you can't demote him really or even keep him around the team with a new HC in the house. How weird is that? To have the old boss right there, possibly even reporting to the new boss. It'd be really uncomfortable for everyone. Maybe he can return and work in the AD eventually, but for now I think we just need a firm handshake and a thank you