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Neck Sharpies: Defending Ghosts Comment Count

Seth November 22nd, 2022 at 12:28 PM

When Josh Gattis was hired this space got really excited for the incorporation of RPOs into Michigan's power running game. The very first spring game I was like "look at all the backside defenders who can't pursue the run!"

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The first game I was giddy over the RPO reads that had been slapped on to every one of Michigan's base run plays, especially their meatiest of meaty running plays, Pin & Pull.


(I also spent way too long drawing on my videos back then)

There were a couple, especially early, but what that mostly became for this program was a gimmick. If they did actually turn on the reads it was for a big game or a rival.

Time and again, quarterback after quarterback, we'd see a Patterson, Milton, McNamara, or McCarthy look at a receiver apparently running a route before handing off. A year after the transition, even the rivals weren't getting it anymore.

By Rutgers last year everyone knew what Michigan was up to. It was a gimmick. A look. They weren't really going to throw it, or burn precious practice trying. As opponents caught on to the ruse, the team gave up on the ruse. Michigan wasn't reading anybodyā€”they just wanted you to think it, and maybe to drive a blogger or two nuts. With the exception of Penn State, nobody thought they were getting read, so nobody stayed backside.

This week I found some guys who were buying RPOs that the offense wasn't throwing. Unfortunately it was our own.

[After THE JUMP: It would seem we're out of practice.]

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Before we get into this, let's disclaimer, because yeah, it's the second critical article in two weeks about 11-0 Michigan. I'm not here to cause controversy or be contrarian. I love this team. I'm picking this team to win on Saturday. It's just the format of this article. UFR gets long enough on its own, game columns do too, and I can't always be hijacking message board questions and turning them into mini-blog posts. Neck Sharpies is our chance to pick a thing apart that's happening on the field so that it all makes sense, and when it or the adjustment pops up, that makes sense too. Whether it's positive or negative doesn't enter into the equation. I choose what I think will be most educational. Then I add speech bubbles. /Disclaimer

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This was driving me nuts while charting this week:

This is a simple power run that gets a simple 4 yards. Power checklist:

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  1. Kick out the guy on the edge
  2. Block down the next guy inside, and the next guy and next guy.
  3. Bring a lead blocker for the unblocked guy.

Mazi Smith fought through that double, Eyabi Okie whipped his kickout block, and Michigan had two free hitters, yet it still got four yards. We've seen a zillion Michigan power runs and the rare times they lose those kinds of battles they get nothing. Why is this four yards? Well when I looked at who was arriving where, Smith was moved out by his double, and the backside LB wasn't where he's supposed to be.

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Barrett ends up thunking the puller well enough, but he's on the puller's outside shoulder, which seems to be his intention. That's how Michigan's defended all year: put it back inside where the DTs are constantly winning. That's especially true today because they don't have Morris to crush the outside and they usually aren't being given safety help. This one time however that worked against Barrett, because his edge (Okie) won the kickout, his safety (Moten) was actually down in the box for once, and Mazi Smith got worked through by one of the best run blockers (#63 Alex "Big Palc" Palczewskiā€”I told you about him!) they've faced all year.

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Still, on a simple power play like this you want Junior Colson to be following that pulling guard. You are the backside linebacker. He is pulling. You have to react to that. Except here in 2022 you also have to react to a mesh point.

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Is Illinois actually running an RPO slant behind him? No. Those WRs are blocking the whole way. But they are set up that way, and the quarterback is looking right at Colson, and he's got to hedge until the handoff is made, which gives Big Palc time to come off the Smith double and get in Colson's way.

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Brown cuts into Barrett and Smith and falls forward for four yards. I have lots of sympathy for Colson here, because how is he supposed to know there's no threat when he's being read? Illinois ran a bunch of RPOs early in this game, so the threat was established. So unlike every dang linebacker that's been gumming up Michigan's power running game (before he's defeated by Corum), Colson is a bit late to the party, and they get a blocker on him, and Mazi can't replace him well enough to prevent momentum.

If only someone had told Junior he could go with the puller.

Did they fix it?

No. Here's another from right before Illinois's first touchdown.

It's a Pin & Pull or "Buck" run, not too dissimilar from what Michigan's been paving the Big Ten with for years. It's got a cool wrinkle in that backside TE's block that we most definitely have to steal.

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Okay, quick sidetrack. The TE starts like he's going to have a hinge block on the backside of power. That's pretty normal and signifies to the edge back there that he's mostly going to have this play off, as he can't abandon his edge and the hinge doesn't want him to.

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But as soon as he gives the backside edge a good wallop the TE is heading downfield to pick somebody off.

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Because they brought the G and T from that side Illinois was able to save an eligible receiver for this job. A TE releasing downfield is a major threat to the secondary until the ball crosses the line of scrimmage. Even an RB pop pass has to be respected. But this guy is just going downfield to block. The RB already has the ball. The TE is just another downfield blocker. But he's a TE, not an offensive tackle, who usually gets that backside hinge. He's got more points in agility and speed. He's a threat to block downfield in space that most TEs are never.

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He finds one Michael Barrett trying to flow to the ballcarrier.

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And erases him. Very cool block. Alsoā€¦.

What was Michael Barrett doing all the way back there????

And herein lies what I was getting at with the introduction. Watch the play again but keep your eyes on LB #23, the top LB on the 11 yard line.

Now watch this again and see where the QB is looking.

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Except there is no pass to his side. It's just a ruse to hold him back there with the threat of receivers because he's the one free hitter in the box the blocking doesn't have an answer for. The next guy who could do anything is the free safety (Rod Moore) who's not even on screen he's so far back.

Also Michigan has the wrong personnel for this. Sainristil is a nickelback but is going to either get the kickout blocker or the lead blocker. What the Wolverines do have going for them here is the setup on the defensive line, with Derrick Moore set up on the LT's outside shoulder then coming inside of it and trying to two-gap him.

With Michigan committing a safety deep, committing a nickel to the flat, three guys to the three pass threats on the backside, and down a man because Okie got kicked and went into the backfield. they really need D.Moore to both-sides that guy until help arrives.

Why are we putting this on a true freshman?

It's a tough ask, but so is moving a 290-pound DE out of the lane.

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The way they set up their DEs is Michigan's best defensive mechanism against Power. Remember how these plays work:

  1. Kick out the guy on the edge
  2. Block down the next guy inside, and the next guy and next guy.
  3. Bring a lead blocker for the unblocked guy.

The Michigan defense's whole thing is setting up a heavy guy on either side of the formation. On a power run that heavy end usually ends up the kickout man, because OT or TE doesn't have an angle to block down on him. Illinois had success at it, but Michigan was without Mike Morris, who typically *crushes* that edge. Almost every time the Illini ran power it was at Jaylen Harrell, who's 50 pounds lighter.

Harrell is not on the field this play, so they ran it at Derrick Moore. But a weird thing happened: Moore was not the guy they were kicking out with the first puller.

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Illinois actually managed to get him moved out of the way with the left tackle, who first tried to block down on him then when Moore fought back outside the LT zone blocked him outside and they had a lane. I think Illinois did that on the fly tooā€”the LT reacted to Moore going inside and took him, then had to adjust. Moore probably needed to just stay in that gap he was defending and let things play out outside of him, even if that meant Sainristil was taking on the RT. But still, none of that matters if Barrett can get to the play.

I've got one more play. This one is going to hurt.

A few things went on here. Note that Illinois went to multiple TEs on the front (right) side. Michigan does this too when they think they're going to get a better kickout/blockdown matchup if they move the point of attack a gap further outside. In this case that means a TE/RT double through Mason Graham that works because Graham tries to spin off and ends up falling down. The kickout also gets Taylor Upshaw, who's not Mike Morris but usually sets a pretty strong edge.

The thing is Michigan didn't react with numbers. Note that before they had a free hitting safety over the top. Here they're expending two DBs (Turner on the right) to be high safeties. There's a WR way off to the left and Makari Paige, the free safety on the left hash, is getting over to help. So that guy is taking two defenders out entirely. Michigan's other safety, Rod Moore, is down in the box and blitzing off that same back edge. So that's three defenders out of the play.

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Michigan then needs to have somebody going with that crossing TE. If Rod Moore can't catch him from behind that needs to be Junior Colson. Effectively Moore is playing the role of the backside linebacker who buried himself in a gap to the backside. Colson has to trust that Moore will catch any cutback, and that wherever the crossing TE ends up is now Colson's responsibility. In other words, he's the safety now.

This doesn't register.

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Three guys out of the play means we're down to a blocker for every hat. Colson, who's also got the safety job, has Big Palc coming off the double on Graham. He can win that block with only minimal delay, which would be fine if he's not the last line of defense, and a big concern since he is. Barrett is taking on the pulling TE, and getting the outside shoulder, which would be fine if the cut behind him is covered by Graham and Colson, and also fine if Upshaw has the other side of his gap closed down enough that Brown can't get through. Upshawā€¦does not. He was way too slow recognizing the puller coming to kick him, only set up to put a shoulder into him, and then #78 gave him a good bonk to move Upshaw even further outside. Way downfield, it dawns on DJ Turner that he's actually the "downblock" that the outside TE was going after.

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Let's check in on everyone one last time. Colson is still working his way across Palc. That's way too late for this play, since Brown is already at full speed and about to pop out of the edge. Mason Graham is falling down even if he's on the correct side of his blocker. I don't think that influenced Michael Barrett, who's got one chance to be a hero and end this, since Brown is technically coming out of his gap. But Barrett's in toughā€”he just took on contact from a fullback/TE with a head of steam, and has zero momentum while facing forward. His options are lay out and hope he gets a foot, or try to chase and hope he isn't instantly edged. He'll go for the tackle.

And there's the reason that gap is so huge: Taylor Upshaw is setting the edge of the play closer to the numbers than the hash. As he tries to spin off #78, the guy got his right arm hooked so Upshaw couldn't work back to close down the gap. Is that a hold that should be called? Yeah. You really want to leave this up to the refs? Lastly we have DJ Turner, who is set up way way deep and not at all acting like getting around this tight end is for all the yards. He's also Michigan's tiniest starter versus a tight end, so that's not ideal.

What it comes down to then is a race. Can Junior Colson, who hung backside protecting a lane that Rod Moore had, then had to work his way past a very good right tackle, get to Chase Brown before Chase Brown can turn the edge on him?

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No.

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So why is Colson so late if he's got nothing but a pulling TE to worry about? Let's rewind a bit:

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Yeah, until the ball is in the RB's hands, Colson still thinks there might be a pass coming behind him. There isn't. But there might be. And in the fractions of seconds that a linebacker lives in, even a little hesitation can mean everything.

What does this matter for the only thing in the universe that matters?

On both sides of the ball, the way Illinois was able to use the mere threat of RPOs to open up its power run game should give Michigan a lot to think about. We talked after Penn State about how adding McCarthy's legs to the equation helped create explosive runs. Those deal with a free hitter, and so do RPOs.

On offense, Michigan's lack of RPO game has taken the pressure off the free hitters of the more aggressive defenses (Indiana, Rutgers, Illinois) they've gone against. Those are the defenses that had more success against Michigan, and did so by being much more aggressive than Colson/Barrett when responding to pullers, whether or not McCarthy was looking at them. Putting that element back in the offense this week would be a good idea considering Ohio Stateā€”if they've watched tape on Michigan at all this yearā€”is going to be looking to shut down the power run game first.

On defense, this soft approach was exactly the wrong answer for Illinois, so I have to imagine it was meant as preparation for Ohio State.

I think Michigan wants to be able to beat these runs without the extra hitters. Even when they brought down a safety, Barrett didn't try to spill to himā€”he funneled back inside. They didn't really want Colson having to run it down eitherā€”the plan each time was to have the guy being blocked down be the wall that the RB runs into. I believe they've been able to play that way all year because of Mike Morris on the TE side is so damn good at playing the kickout. So good that they've barely tried him this year. Here he is versus a Nebraska split zone.

I've seen enough flashes from Okie that suggest he can do this responsibly (it's hard) enough for Michigan to get away with it with him, but the rest of the DEs can't routinely turn that into a +1 for the defense.

Most coaches don't have the luxury of a Morris, nor an entire secondary they want to trust in man all the time. So they preach communication. That would help with the RPO ghosts, e.g. tell Colson to go with a puller unless he hears "INSIDE!" or something from the defender set up over the threatening receiver. 

If you're not getting your playmaking from somewhere, you have to unbalance something or get perfect execution every time. Ohio State's offense isn't going to necessarily do it with Power, but they run off-tackle more than you think, and plenty of RPOs. Even before we talk about the pass rush, this isn't the matchup it was last year when you could trust Ojabo and Hutchinson to consistently cave in the edge of the defense and save your material for soft coverage and linebackers dropping into slants on the backside. Not all the time, but to a greater degree, they're going to have to trust their cornerbacks (who aren't on Marvin Harrison Jr.) to get the job done, ans allow the safeties to help out the front.

If they do have Morris back, well, put him on the TE side and roll. Ohio State has some good players but they're not power runners. How that matchup looks early on might be a big deal. 

Comments

RockinLoud

November 22nd, 2022 at 12:52 PM ^

Yuck, not boding well. I just have that feeling OSU is going to come to play and it's going to be tough to slow down their offense. I'll be surprised if they put up less than 40 pts.

jwfsouthpaw

November 22nd, 2022 at 1:55 PM ^

Hard to say if this bodes poorly or not. It could be that the defense believes they can slow OSU's running game without committing more resources than necessary, and was practicing for a barrage of real RPOs. Of course, it's easy for fans to theorize that the team was basically willing to lose a close game just to marginally increase the chances of beating OSU. 

Either way, if you're right and OSU scores 40+, Michigan's chances are bleak.

dragonchild

November 22nd, 2022 at 3:11 PM ^

I believe Michigan is confident in their D-line to hold up against the run, but it doesn't really matter; they don't have a choice.  OSU's most dangerous weapons are their receivers, and football's 11-on-11.  So if you want, say, safety help for whoever's covering Harrison, that takes away a guy from the box.

So yeah, it may be that Michigan is getting their front used to defending the run without help.  But I read this Neck Sharpies as Seth saying they'll also need to worry about RPOs drawing a linebacker from the point of attack.  Colson, in particular, is prone to running very fast in the wrong direction.

Monocle Smile

November 22nd, 2022 at 12:54 PM ^

Seems like Michigan does have the ability to punish teams for ignoring the PO of RPO and has simply been choosing not to do so, which is singularly frustrating. 

Isn't an RPO rep an RPO rep regardless of which way the read goes? Is it really burning practice time to pull and throw instead of just hand off every rep?

dragonchild

November 22nd, 2022 at 1:49 PM ^

The practice time isn't for pull-and-throw; it's for the read.

The fake RPO is just muscle memory.  You mesh, look at a guy, then hand off.  The brain's turned off, which is ideal for execution consistency and speed, but of course, zero flexibility.  It stops working as soon as the jig is up.  But it's easy to learn, and as Seth said, the ruse can be kept up for some weeks.  Low investment, high return.

A true RPO is more sustainable, but adding thinking to the mix makes it far more mentally complex and potentially dangerous.  Oh, it'll work like a clock the first couple times, but as soon as defenses realize who's being read (which is trivial, the QB is looking right at him) they'll move that guy around, swap positional responsibilities, etc. to confuse and delay the QB.  So you have to practice all those scenarios that defenses will use to induce a mistake.

steve sharik

November 22nd, 2022 at 1:13 PM ^

On the first clipped run, it's not the threat of RPOs that's holding the backside ILB. Michigan is in man-free, and that ILB has the RB in man coverage. Therefore, he can't read the guard. He goes where the back goes. Notice that Brown takes a jab step to the outside, away from the play. The backside ILB has to protect against a RB swing or (more dangerous) wheel. One step in that direction, and he's cut off. 

In my opinion, it's more problematic that either A) the defense is unsound for asking the playside ILB to squeeze or spill the ball back to a guy in man coverage, or B) that playside ILB is missing his assignment every time. The fact that it's happening every time would suggest that the problem is A). 

Mich1993

November 22nd, 2022 at 1:23 PM ^

We've been game planning all year for this one.  As long as Corum or Edwards play, they're going to need at least 40.

Defense is just what we want against OSU.  DL that can play the run by itself and 4 DBs that can play man to man.

Nail biter or M two touchdown win coming.

 

AC1997

November 22nd, 2022 at 1:29 PM ^

I'm not going to dwell on the concerns this highlights for the defense since Seth covered that (and I'm not sure OSU has these plays in their playbook anyway).  

But there are two things that grind my gears a bit with this....

  1. This is another example of how Michigan didn't care to plan for Illinois.  I've attended a total of five games Illinois played this season (my son is in their marching band) and I'm not sure they've actually thrown more than a handful of RPO passes all season.  And even if they did, their WR are nothing special that should worry us in man coverage.  So with Morris out, the weather/wind being iffy, and Bert being Bert - why aren't you being aggressive here against Brown?!?
     
  2. Our total lack of creativity or aggression in our passing game is worrisome.  I absolutely love that we've embraced a power running game and built the OL and RB depth charts to be rows of dinosaur teeth.  But this conservative "no mistakes" approach to passing is going to hurt us.  It is drifting into Bo/Lloyd territory where you want to win every game 12-3 and only gear up for the big ones. Attaching an RPO, Read Option, or Bubble to our running plays is easy and yet non-existing right now.  We could have used those things a couple times per game all season to rep them and make all of these games easier.  Instead of having to run Corum 30 times and keep the starters in until the 4th maybe we blow a game open early.  Maybe we use those WR more than a couple times per game.  Maybe we actually ask JJ to make a tough decision....but give him an easy throw.  Right now he's doing what the play calls and usually throwing to covered WR we're asking to win their route.  Why haven't we schemed up a route that gets them open?  Or gets easy yards?  

stephenrjking

November 22nd, 2022 at 1:39 PM ^

There are schemes that get receivers open and/or easy yards. They arenā€™t called 20 times a game or anythingā€”generally we arenā€™t passing that muchā€”but they certainly exist.

Would I like more route combos that attack different spaces of the field? Yes. But these routes do happen, and, as seen in the complaining about JJ not throwing at some open guys, there are combos that successfully get guys open.

I would definitely like to see a little bit more RPO and such, though Michigan does have a couple of staple RPO plays that theyā€™ve pulled out in most games. But itā€™s not just a free thing to practice; if you have multiple RPO plays you still have to teach the right throwing windows and the other things to watch for downfield and such.

The thing we donā€™t like as fans is that this all comes down to one final exam worth 70% of the final grade. If Michigan wins by pounding relentlessly on the ground, or wins by pulling out good stuff in the air that theyā€™ve saved up all year for, weā€™re all happy. But if they lose, shortcomings are magnified, and we all ask ā€œwhat if.ā€

And itā€™s not always fair. There were a number of problems in 2018, for example, but the biggest problem Michigan had was a lack of pass rush, and that was something we had no idea was comingā€”the pass rush had been, prior to that game, absolutely fantastic all season. If we lose for the same reason this year, we can say we saw it coming. But in 2018 they couldnā€™t have been set up to rush the passer better and it was a total disaster.

What Iā€™m saying is that Michigan could be as well prepared as we could want and still lose. 

rc90

November 22nd, 2022 at 4:05 PM ^

There were a number of problems in 2018, for example, but the biggest problem Michigan had was a lack of pass rush, and that was something we had no idea was coming

That's not completely true, since Gary had been hurt much of the year, and then Winovich was hurt a week before the OSU game. I bring this up, because, uh, there's an obvious parallel in 2022.

readyourguard

November 22nd, 2022 at 1:33 PM ^

On the TD run, there were two important MAs:  Upshaw doesn't squeeze the gap, and Barrett takes on the blocker with the wrong shoulder.  He needs outside leverage because of the coverage.  He has to turn that back into his help.

MGolem

November 22nd, 2022 at 1:39 PM ^

Before Corum went down it was clear to me that Mike Morris sitting out was the biggest hurdle we faced against Illinois. Loveland can do an admirable job of filling in for Schoonmaker. El-Hadi for Keegan etc. But no other DL brings the pash rush and run crush of Mike Morris. Very happy to have him back for OSU.

RJWolvie

November 22nd, 2022 at 1:53 PM ^

Gotta hope this is what they were up to:

Practicing the right way to play it against OSU even tho wrong way v Illinois: ā€œOn defense, this soft approach was exactly the wrong answer for Illinois, so I have to imagine it was meant as preparation for Ohio State.ā€

That and activate our RPOs!

and that and: oh , Iā€™m afraid this Blake (and Mike & Don & Luke &ā€¦) Star is (are) fully operationalā€¦

Gotta hope! A New Hope even (groan & not even the right episode!)

Koop

November 23rd, 2022 at 11:23 AM ^

Yeah, what I take from this is a lot of

IMHO, the data points to Michigan not taking the Illinois game seriously:

  • Resting Corum even though he seemed healthy enough to continue
  • Same with Morris
  • Same with others who dressed but didn't play or played minimally (e.g., Jones)
  • A frustratingly vanilla offensive game plan
  • A frustratingly mismatched defensive game plan
  • Coaches not reacting with alacrity even when at serious threat of losing

My take (like many above) is that the coaching staff viewed the game as a gimme--either Michigan beats Ohio State, wins the B1G, and goes to the playoffs, or it doesn't. Losing this one wouldn't matter. That's frustrating for fans, and probably more frustrating for analysts, but there it is.

Have to hope that Corum, Edwards, Schoonmaker, Morris, Jones, Henning, and others are healthy enough to contribute this week. Credit to Seth, who called it on the Roundtable show a few weeks ago: this week is Michigan's first playoff game. Win and advance; lose and go home (well, go home to the Rose Bowl, which is a very nice consolation prize).

Watching From Afar

November 22nd, 2022 at 2:05 PM ^

Time and again, quarterback after quarterback, we'd see a Patterson, Milton, McNamara, or McCarthy look at a receiver apparently running a route before handing off.

Pounded the table so much over the last 4 years I think I finally broke it. Michigan has (almost) never ran an RPO or Read Option offense. It's a called give 98% of the time and then occasionally they either tell the QB to pull and throw or maybe make an actual read. Regardless, the actual read is made like 0.7% of the time.

Patterson didn't do it under Pep, or Gattis. Milton and McNamara didn't do it under Gattis. JJ isn't doing it now.

They're running a read offense with no read and it's dumb. They invite additional defenders to come into the running game with the mystical threat of a QB pull or backside bubble/slant and then don't pull/throw so that free hitter is just a free hitter. If that defender realizes this and doesn't respect the pull, yeah he might get burned once for 45 yards, but he'll also get 3-4 shots at TFLs. It's been dumb for years and it will continue to be dumb.

Thank you for coming to my Ted rant.

Edit: Also very telling and I think Seth even alluded to it earlier this year. Watch the WRs on the backside when they're running an "RPO." The WRs know it's not coming to them and don't fire off the ball all the time. You can't possibly know the DE/LB won't maintain QB responsibility before the ball is snapped so it's clearly not an actual read.

dragonchild

November 22nd, 2022 at 3:03 PM ^

Every offensive play in football is easy in concept until a defense tries to punch it in the mouth.  Defenses aren't content to let your play run like it does on paper.  So whatever you decide is your "base play", your freshmen spend five minutes with the scout team obligingly lining up and moving the way the play's drawn up, and then spend two entire seasons of practices and games repping it against all the slants, stunts, exchanges, and blitzes that defenses use to make the stuff you're teaching look nonsensical.  If you manage that, congrats, you have an offensive identity.

That in mind, a fake RPO is just a smoke-and-mirrors act slapped onto a run play.  It's low investment and high return because you only need to practice the motions and the rest is stuff your players already know.  As long as the defense is fooled, you eliminate a free hitter.  As a bonus, as long as it's a guaranteed give, the O-line doesn't have to worry about a forward pass and can go donkey their assignments wherever they are.

You wanna run a real RPO, it depends on how often you want to run it.  If you run it like a trick play then you might as well make it a fake RPO -- all the upsides without the risks of a pick or illegal block.  To make it a viable play, though, now you have to rep it against all the slants, stunts, exchanges, and blitzes that defenses use to make the RPO read nonsensical.  You have to, or else you've got your QB reading a patch of grass and not knowing what to do, or getting baited into the wrong decision for a TFL or pick.  Gimmicks are easy, mastery takes countless hours.

. . . At which point, congrats, you're an RPO offense, not whatever else you'd like to be.  Point being, there was never an actual RPO to "turn on" because Michigan isn't an RPO team and that's fine.  If they repped real RPOs like they were base plays, they wouldn't be nearly as good at things like duo.  For the finite amount of practice time, they've put their eggs in the latter basket.  Michigan has an identity, and it's no worse than being an RPO team.

Michigan's problem isn't fake RPOs, per se.  It's that they kept running them for months after everyone knew they were fake.  If you're not fooling anyone you're just delaying the handoff for a farce, which gives the free hitter a head start on the RB.  Drop the act and give your RB a damned chance!

dragonchild

November 22nd, 2022 at 3:22 PM ^

I'm not as good at watching football to notice, but Seth said in the article that we don't anymore.  We stopped, finally.  I don't know when, but I'm happy to take his word for it.

This Neck Sharpies wasn't to say we're still stuck with Gattis Gimmicks.  I read that as just a prelude.  Seth was apparently frustrated that Illinois started doing the same thing (fake RPOs to eliminate a defender), and it worked against us.

Watching From Afar

November 22nd, 2022 at 3:27 PM ^

It's that they kept running them for months after everyone knew they were fake.  If you're not fooling anyone you're just delaying the handoff for a farce, which gives the free hitter a head start on the RB.  Drop the act and give your RB a damned chance!

Agreed 1000% and this more goes to my general frustration.

You don't have to go shotgun and run an RPO offense. It's "this era" but you don't have to run it to be successful and keep up with others. But what Michigan essentially did is they went from the Fisch offense (and Drevno and Pep) wherein they would run a lot under center with the flexibility they have now, but they wouldn't waste plays with free hitters. They'd go under center and pull guys left and right, run misdirection, and get their RBs downhill in a heartbeat. If they needed 2 yards, their RB had a full head of steam going into the hole and if he was met by a LB at 1 yard, good freaking luck stopping the Higdon battering ram. They didn't leave free hitters because the philosophy of the offense wasn't "the threat of our QB run will slow down 1 defender." It was 10 on 11 and the OL/TEs need to block these certain players to be successful. That had its own issues, but it wasn't one that had a giant "give me a swirly" sign.

Now, they're running out of "mesh points" that slow the RB down and require them to go from almost a stop to full speed or pick their way laterally through guys with a free hitter running at their heels. Haskins was a moose who could carry that guy 2 yards when Michigan needed 1. Corum, for all that he's great at, actually has quite a few really bad TFLs this year (not necessarily his fault) because guys are knifing in and taking the trade off of a JJ keeper/RPO going for 30 maybe once all game versus getting Corum 3 yards behind the LOS 3-4 times.

The idea that was around the program and here for years was Michigan was trying to protect their QBs to get them to the OSU game by "turning off reads." This was a faulty assumption. The basis of the offense isn't that there are reads that are turned off. The correct starting point is there are no reads at all and Michigan calls a RB give/QB pull/maybe an actual read (once in a while) from the sideline. Michigan isn't keeping the car parked in the garage, ready to use it against OSU, this just is the offense. They're not going to come out and run every mesh point with an actual RPO attached to it and OSU would be idiots to think they would. If I'm coaching against Michigan's offense I'm telling the DE to go hair on fire at the RB immediately. Michigan will hand it off 3-4 times before they think they have the defense lulled into a false sense of security and then call the QB pull. Just time it right with the DE occasionally feinting QB responsibility and you'll get a bunch of shots at TFLs on the RB, will probably catch JJ in a pull that's dead to rights, and maybe give up 1 play of 30 yards and that's it.

dragonchild

November 22nd, 2022 at 3:51 PM ^

It's true that Michigan has clearly made it a goal to get their starting QB to The Game healthy (with good reason), and it's also true that for years we didn't have an actual read in the run game because for whatever reason, none of our QBs could do it (to be fair, it's hard).

But while Gattis' RPO shenanigans were parlor tricks, it's no longer true that Michigan doesn't have a zone read game.  With McCarthy there is a true zone read game.  We've seen it, and it led to over 400 yards rushing against Penn State.

We don't have real RPOs and never did, so there was nothing to "turn on" there. As for the zone read, it is real but indeed it was "turned off" against most teams because Michigan was good enough to get 4-5ypc without it and -- this is important -- they were right.  We handily beat Nebraska with a 10-on-11 game.  But no, OSU can't assume Michigan will roll out with a scripted sequence of handoffs and keepers with fake reads and shut everything down.  Not after the PSU game.  If they try that Michigan might set an NCAA single-game rushing record, but don't get excited -- they won't be that stupid.

Watching From Afar

November 23rd, 2022 at 11:29 AM ^

So here is where I think you have optimism about the offense this year while I have my normal, I wouldn't even call it pessimism. They're doing the same things as before.

You're right, they turned off the reads at times this year, which is what the did last year and the year before that. I don't think they're starting from a place of "we read by default but don't make the read this time." I still think they default to no read and then turn them on if that makes sense.

Regardless, they still ran mesh points to such a degree that it screws up the running game. That's just dumb and nonsensical. Once it was obvious JJ wasn't going to keep, you're setting yourself up for games like Indiana where their DBs even fire down on the mesh point and muck up the running game. Corum had that 1 long run and otherwise was dodging guys in the backfield left and right. I don't have confidence that they will go into OSU with reads on 100% of the time. Even against PSU, I'm not sure we can chalk up the ground game's success to Michigan having reads turned on so much as PSU respecting it too often and incorrectly. That's not to say the threat of JJ running didn't play a part, but I think PSU spent too many guys worrying about him when he was most likely not a threat to pull on every mesh.

It comes back to playing the odds. Do you think every mesh Michigan will run against OSU will be real? I don't. I think they'll oscillate between give calls and actual reads quite a bit. OSU catches them right and they're going to come in for a few TFLs, especially on short yardage downs where Michigan overwhelmingly gives to the RB. I don't think they'll spend Zach Harrison on JJ responsibility every single mesh. He will have that responsibility from time to time, but situationally I think he'll go hair on fire after the RB and be successful more times than he's not.

bighouseinmate

November 22nd, 2022 at 3:47 PM ^

My thoughts are very similar to this. And for everyone calling for rpos to be used or ā€œturned onā€, I think they are missing the forest for the trees, so to speak. The finite time allowed for practice limits what can be repped by an offense and be able to do it well enough to be successful at it, and to be able to have players shift on the fly for blocking assignments to continue to make those plays successful no matter what the defense is doing. 
 

My critique of the passing offense isnā€™t that I think they need to run rpos, but rather they should be running more play action passes. It seems to my eyes anyways that when Michigan runs the play action passes that the wrs and te are able to get more open because of the conflict the threat of a run puts on the secondary. 

It'sNotAToomer

November 22nd, 2022 at 4:39 PM ^

IMO, you shouldn't need a disclaimer for critiquing the team you follow on your own blog. Yes, they're 11-0. Yes, every team has flaws. However, champions don't get better by ignoring their flaws. The team should be working to correct them, and as fans we can work to recognize them. Maybe even learn to love them? That way, when we're down late against an opponent we expect to handle, we don't have to shout "WHY???" to the heavens. We'll know why, because Seth told us.

When the season's over, we can sit back and admire Team 143's accomplishments. Go Blue!

jsquigg

November 22nd, 2022 at 4:44 PM ^

I'm not obsessive enough to know this, but has Michigan completely scrapped RPOs this year or just turned them off against weaker competition? If they just aren't a feature anymore, the most I see is scripted arc read/read option stuff coming out.

AlbanyBlue

November 22nd, 2022 at 10:42 PM ^

So, the Michigan defense was using this game as a prep for what OSU will presumably try to do -- that is, to actually have pass threats in their RPO game, rather than just an RPO "look".

Ballsy. And full of disrespekt for Illinois.