My regard for bronxblue and SRJK isn’t nothing to me. I suppose my concern is unwelcome, but I’m sincerely a tad worried they’re losing perspective. It doesn’t strike me as healthy.
I get that you’re trying to make a cute “gotcha ha ha” but you’re the only one shitposting here.
Here's the thing: Warde Manuel is an unpopular public figure. So, he's going to get shit on. It's unfortunate but inevitable. I find it a little annoying in principle, but in the end I move on. The regular head-asplodey response makes the Warde-hater-hate train look at least as crazy as the haters they hate.
I guess my question is: Why this guy? How you spend your time is your business, but FWIW I know folks getting threatened with violence for existing so getting set off by "Warde Manuel pissed in my corn flakes" level stuff strikes me as an enviously cushy state of mind. Like, I wish things were so easy that I could get worked up about ultra-tame shitposting of a mediocre, comfortable, well-paid administrator I don't even personally know. Unfortunately I got WAY bigger fish to fry.
I get that we're all here to escape but that's precisely why I find the Warde Manuel Defense Brigade so baffling. I'm all for curating the Internet but I have real misinformation campaigns I need to save my energy for. I ain't wasting an ounce of my energy on Warde effin' Manuel. Dude's doing fine.
If he's going to drink? Here's a radical idea for Greg: STOP. DRINKING.
I get that it's fun to get tipsy but drinking is not a need (put the jokes away, this guy just endangered lives*) and this is his third arrest for the same crime. As far as I'm concerned he's morally lost his right to drink. We can't take away his bottle but him taking a swig is a different situation from that of a responsible person.
Also, Greg, didn't you just get hired and isn't it spring training right now? What the fuck are you doing on the sauce in the first place?? Most P5 football coaches be working long hours right now and that's even if they're not transitioning.
Uber? If he's already gone and done it, sure, but he should be as dry as the Bonneville Salt Flats.
*and if you earnestly think booze is a need, you too have a drinking problem
He can’t get a second chance because this is his third arrest. It’s numerically impossible to give him a second chance because he blew right past it. It’s habitual at this point.
I’m OK with Moore offering him a fresh start but he immediately pissed away Moore’s goodwill by doing this. He needs to be fired.
Smart is basketball RichRod. He’s great at elevating small programs but everyone hates Michigan so he’d get scouted to hell and gone on a level he doesn’t need to worry about at VCU or Marquette. . . until March, when the inevitable happens.
What happened at Texas would happen here, unfortunately.
Just because something is common doesn’t make it a good idea. In fact the opposite is often the case.
And Michigan was a visibly and measurably worse team with Jett on the court. Dude put in so little effort he should’ve been benched until he grew up but instead daddy kept starting him to boost his draft stock. That kind of shit gets under a teammate’s skin.
The Sanderson incident got out, but that shit don’t happen in a bubble. It’s one event in what likely was an extremely toxic locker room for many months.
The first sign of trouble was bringing his kids here. That's hard enough to manage in kiddie leagues, but it greatly complicates things at this level. I thought that was a head-scratcher from the start, though I convinced myself it could work if he ran an unsullied meritocracy.
Turns out the opposite was true? And sure enough, it eventually led to the Sanderson incident, and not so much the event itself but the circumstances that create such is the kind of shit that can shred locker room chemistry.
I think his temper issues were surmountable. His NBA resume was impeccable. He spent unreasonable effort chasing transfers without bothering to check Michigan's notoriously stingy policies, but if he learned his lesson it'd eventually just be water under the bridge. But yeah. . . if you're playing favorites and using your own program to set up your kids, you lose literally everyone else.
As long as you're ranting against revisionist history, we're on the same side, but I think that includes conversations as well: I wasn't in favor of firing him after the Wisconsin incident. In fact I was vocally in favor of giving him a second chance.
Would firing him mid-season have salvaged it? Unlikely. But the team was clearly lost, and when it's the head coach dragging things down, you don't make any decision that benefits that guy. At the very least it would've then been the players' season to lose. But instead they had to be "sacrificed" for. . . reasons.
As if anyone here can pretend to be in favor of toiling under a bad boss to make the boss look good.
You make that all sound good but Juwan Howard is a very rich man with a long professional career who was given every chance to right his own ship.
The players lost their season. They only have a few years as college players. They lost a significant percentage of their time as Michigan Wolverines, so Juwan Howard could. . . what, have some dignity while the door was smacking his ass?
I wanted it to work out. I heartily endorsed his hire. Kept hoping he could turn it around. But the priorities here are badly misplaced. This season was NOT Manuel's or Howard's to "sacrifice" so some well-off old men could save some fucking face. It was taken from the players.
Michigan handles decisions like this as a major corporation would, which takes a little longer but often has longer term thinking in mind rather than knee-jerk decision-making.
Someone mind getting this sweet summer child up to speed? My heart couldn’t bear it.
Eh, you'd have a point in a vacuum, and I too find nothing alarming about an outside investigation per se, but I also wasn't born yesterday. There's such a thing as track record (Pearson, anyone?), and there are reasons why we have children's parables about abuse of trust.
I don't see an acknowledgement? But whatevs. I was just trying to head off all the "what are these people thinking" posts, which happened anyway.
Just because people are searching the Internet about a particular pie, doesn't mean that's what's on their table. For instance, a family that eats apple pie all the time won't need to Google it.
/ Mom made a mean apple pie but almost never any other kind
// If I never eat apple pie again, I won't complain
First off, Seth qualified his statement with "a lot of people suspect", which is true. It's not a diagnosis; it's an observation.
One of those who suspect happens to be me, and I am a diagnosed autistic.
I won't pretend to know anything about most disabilities or disorders but one thing about autistics is, we're not monolithic but we share many similarities (it is a syndrome after all) so there's a "takes one to know one" autism-dar. In other words, Harbaugh doesn't come off as nearly as weird to me compared to most, because I naturally relate to his traits that most find "weird".
BTW, one thing that REALLY bothers me is people who claim to represent those with disabilities, while not bothering to ever actually listen to them.
Fuck treading lightly. Fuck glass houses. Not talking about issues is what leads to bad shit getting worse. I don't care if it's Michigan or OSU when it comes to glass houses; if I see one I'm bringing a fucking onager.
Why do so many people want to protect "glass houses"? This feels one step removed from enabling scandal.
P.S. TBH I was going for some variation of a puppet master or weird inversion of "dancing in the palm of a hand", but I feel this turned out looking like a very happy kaiju is about to devour Ryan Day and am quite pleased with that.
Now that everyone's done wasting their time, the women's team is expecting an invite to the Dance after a thrilling upset of Indiana in the conference tourney. They could use all the support they can get.
jplwhite has been providing regular, detailed updates in the MGoBoard.
Had all season to shitpost the thousands of FP-ed words written about the impotent, going-nowhere men's program but decided to blow his apathy load on coverage of the basketball team that IS going dancing this month.
Not saying picking on Alex would've been right either, but. . . if this ain't sexism, it sure rhymes with it.
Man, MGoCommunity has a seriously insatiable hard-on for this old guy.
He's not a coach anymore, yet I've heard more about this guy as a non-coach than any other time before Michigan ended his career.
How many times do we have to hear this delusional revisionist wail about the state of affairs he helped create? Even if he's right, there are unretired people saying the same things who aren't hypocrites.
I don't think even Georgia OSU (wherever that is) and Bama ever had 2023 years of eliteness, the entire history of football being well less than a tenth of that and all.
At the same time, universities have become much more expensive to go to and to run over time. Public funding has been drying up and competition between the schools for the best students has ramped up. I wish college football wasn't tearing itself apart as well, but expecting universities to not maximize revenue is probably not realistic.
I hear your point but I'll stop short of being sympathetic.
Like, I want to be; it's true that state governments have pulled the plug on higher education. But Michigan is also petty & greedy. If you handed Michigan $100 billion with no strings attached, they wouldn't lower tuition by a single penny.
This is nothing on Alex but this is basically the sort of article that is both A) now necessary and B) triggers my disgust with the state of the sport.
I'm not quite as hyperbolic as to portray the NCAA as "oppressors" but I agree that there are no "relations" to "repair.
The B1G and NCAA are bullies and business partners. You don't "repair relations" with them; when you're Michigan fergadsakes you throw your fucking weight around. History of the handshake and all that.
Late to the party but to answer OP, I’m mildly interested in just how badly Tominaga is going to abuse this defense. He’s been in a mini-slump but playing Michigan could be a nice salve.
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Um, any coach good enough to coach their team to the tournament kind of has the actual tournament itself to deal with right now.
My regard for bronxblue and SRJK isn’t nothing to me. I suppose my concern is unwelcome, but I’m sincerely a tad worried they’re losing perspective. It doesn’t strike me as healthy.
I get that you’re trying to make a cute “gotcha ha ha” but you’re the only one shitposting here.
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Indeed you are.
Here's the thing: Warde Manuel is an unpopular public figure. So, he's going to get shit on. It's unfortunate but inevitable. I find it a little annoying in principle, but in the end I move on. The regular head-asplodey response makes the Warde-hater-hate train look at least as crazy as the haters they hate.
I guess my question is: Why this guy? How you spend your time is your business, but FWIW I know folks getting threatened with violence for existing so getting set off by "Warde Manuel pissed in my corn flakes" level stuff strikes me as an enviously cushy state of mind. Like, I wish things were so easy that I could get worked up about ultra-tame shitposting of a mediocre, comfortable, well-paid administrator I don't even personally know. Unfortunately I got WAY bigger fish to fry.
I get that we're all here to escape but that's precisely why I find the Warde Manuel Defense Brigade so baffling. I'm all for curating the Internet but I have real misinformation campaigns I need to save my energy for. I ain't wasting an ounce of my energy on Warde effin' Manuel. Dude's doing fine.
If we make it past Kansas, for once I'm gonna hope Michigan gets bad Juju.
You might want to ponder that. You just wrote almost 600 words defending a well-paid, secure, unelected administrator.
If nothing else, I don't think "volunteer PR manager for Warde Manuel" is a healthy raison d'être for anyone.
I think we should stop making fun of soccer for being low-scoring.
If he's going to drink? Here's a radical idea for Greg: STOP. DRINKING.
I get that it's fun to get tipsy but drinking is not a need (put the jokes away, this guy just endangered lives*) and this is his third arrest for the same crime. As far as I'm concerned he's morally lost his right to drink. We can't take away his bottle but him taking a swig is a different situation from that of a responsible person.
Also, Greg, didn't you just get hired and isn't it spring training right now? What the fuck are you doing on the sauce in the first place?? Most P5 football coaches be working long hours right now and that's even if they're not transitioning.
Uber? If he's already gone and done it, sure, but he should be as dry as the Bonneville Salt Flats.
*and if you earnestly think booze is a need, you too have a drinking problem
If there’s a “world” of difference between .11 and .24 then the difference between a first offense and a third is a fucking galaxy.
He can’t get a second chance because this is his third arrest. It’s numerically impossible to give him a second chance because he blew right past it. It’s habitual at this point.
I’m OK with Moore offering him a fresh start but he immediately pissed away Moore’s goodwill by doing this. He needs to be fired.
Would Manuel even hire a coach? Wouldn’t he just see how the program plays out without one?
Smart is basketball RichRod. He’s great at elevating small programs but everyone hates Michigan so he’d get scouted to hell and gone on a level he doesn’t need to worry about at VCU or Marquette. . . until March, when the inevitable happens.
What happened at Texas would happen here, unfortunately.
We want the guy Beilein undressed to the tune of twenty-five (!!!) points in the tourney?
Just because something is common doesn’t make it a good idea. In fact the opposite is often the case.
And Michigan was a visibly and measurably worse team with Jett on the court. Dude put in so little effort he should’ve been benched until he grew up but instead daddy kept starting him to boost his draft stock. That kind of shit gets under a teammate’s skin.
The Sanderson incident got out, but that shit don’t happen in a bubble. It’s one event in what likely was an extremely toxic locker room for many months.
The first sign of trouble was bringing his kids here. That's hard enough to manage in kiddie leagues, but it greatly complicates things at this level. I thought that was a head-scratcher from the start, though I convinced myself it could work if he ran an unsullied meritocracy.
Turns out the opposite was true? And sure enough, it eventually led to the Sanderson incident, and not so much the event itself but the circumstances that create such is the kind of shit that can shred locker room chemistry.
I think his temper issues were surmountable. His NBA resume was impeccable. He spent unreasonable effort chasing transfers without bothering to check Michigan's notoriously stingy policies, but if he learned his lesson it'd eventually just be water under the bridge. But yeah. . . if you're playing favorites and using your own program to set up your kids, you lose literally everyone else.
As long as you're ranting against revisionist history, we're on the same side, but I think that includes conversations as well: I wasn't in favor of firing him after the Wisconsin incident. In fact I was vocally in favor of giving him a second chance.
Would firing him mid-season have salvaged it? Unlikely. But the team was clearly lost, and when it's the head coach dragging things down, you don't make any decision that benefits that guy. At the very least it would've then been the players' season to lose. But instead they had to be "sacrificed" for. . . reasons.
As if anyone here can pretend to be in favor of toiling under a bad boss to make the boss look good.
There's also a CC: Kyle Smith in there.
You make that all sound good but Juwan Howard is a very rich man with a long professional career who was given every chance to right his own ship.
The players lost their season. They only have a few years as college players. They lost a significant percentage of their time as Michigan Wolverines, so Juwan Howard could. . . what, have some dignity while the door was smacking his ass?
I wanted it to work out. I heartily endorsed his hire. Kept hoping he could turn it around. But the priorities here are badly misplaced. This season was NOT Manuel's or Howard's to "sacrifice" so some well-off old men could save some fucking face. It was taken from the players.
This is where we're at? "Guy does job (for once)" warrants a pat on the head now?
I did my job today too. Do I get a parade?
Did someone recommend an entire state?
I wouldn't call it urgent or Bolivia-worthy but yeah, the "CC" threadspamming could use some cleaning up.
Speaking as one of the guilty, as I decided to go the egg-throwing route first. Apologies for the inconvenience.
Well at least this one included a link to. . . Wikipedia. And that's the best effort presented so far.
"0 years ago today a Michigan head basketball coach was fired" was a missed opportunity.
Someone mind getting this sweet summer child up to speed? My heart couldn’t bear it.
Eh, you'd have a point in a vacuum, and I too find nothing alarming about an outside investigation per se, but I also wasn't born yesterday. There's such a thing as track record (Pearson, anyone?), and there are reasons why we have children's parables about abuse of trust.
Also check out jplwhite’s coverage of the M basketball team that doesn’t suck and is (in all likelihood) making the NCAA tournament.
I ain’t gonna lie and say it’s a special season, but they shocked Indiana in the B1G tournament so they might still have some magic left.
Basketball ain’t over. Support the ladies or, what, you gonna watch season highlights of the men’s team? That’ll take a few minutes at most.
Not making the tourney at all?
I don't see an acknowledgement? But whatevs. I was just trying to head off all the "what are these people thinking" posts, which happened anyway.
Just because people are searching the Internet about a particular pie, doesn't mean that's what's on their table. For instance, a family that eats apple pie all the time won't need to Google it.
/ Mom made a mean apple pie but almost never any other kind
// If I never eat apple pie again, I won't complain
First off, Seth qualified his statement with "a lot of people suspect", which is true. It's not a diagnosis; it's an observation.
One of those who suspect happens to be me, and I am a diagnosed autistic.
I won't pretend to know anything about most disabilities or disorders but one thing about autistics is, we're not monolithic but we share many similarities (it is a syndrome after all) so there's a "takes one to know one" autism-dar. In other words, Harbaugh doesn't come off as nearly as weird to me compared to most, because I naturally relate to his traits that most find "weird".
BTW, one thing that REALLY bothers me is people who claim to represent those with disabilities, while not bothering to ever actually listen to them.
“Most searched” =/= most popular. It means most searched.
Illinois knows damn well M got rid of the wrong coach.
Fuck treading lightly. Fuck glass houses. Not talking about issues is what leads to bad shit getting worse. I don't care if it's Michigan or OSU when it comes to glass houses; if I see one I'm bringing a fucking onager.
Why do so many people want to protect "glass houses"? This feels one step removed from enabling scandal.
P.S. TBH I was going for some variation of a puppet master or weird inversion of "dancing in the palm of a hand", but I feel this turned out looking like a very happy kaiju is about to devour Ryan Day and am quite pleased with that.
A sense of accountability would've been nice.
This one just worked out. I've spent far longer on edits that wound up looking nowhere near as inspired.
Now that everyone's done wasting their time, the women's team is expecting an invite to the Dance after a thrilling upset of Indiana in the conference tourney. They could use all the support they can get.
jplwhite has been providing regular, detailed updates in the MGoBoard.
Can we expect an upcoming McPhee Phi Pho Philm?
Admissions said his credits didn’t transfer. He’ll have to re-take his undergrad courses.
Why?
Had all season to shitpost the thousands of FP-ed words written about the impotent, going-nowhere men's program but decided to blow his apathy load on coverage of the basketball team that IS going dancing this month.
Not saying picking on Alex would've been right either, but. . . if this ain't sexism, it sure rhymes with it.
Man, MGoCommunity has a seriously insatiable hard-on for this old guy.
He's not a coach anymore, yet I've heard more about this guy as a non-coach than any other time before Michigan ended his career.
How many times do we have to hear this delusional revisionist wail about the state of affairs he helped create? Even if he's right, there are unretired people saying the same things who aren't hypocrites.
I don't think even Georgia OSU (wherever that is) and Bama ever had 2023 years of eliteness, the entire history of football being well less than a tenth of that and all.
We'd better rename him Sexten Johnson, then.
I hear your point but I'll stop short of being sympathetic.
Like, I want to be; it's true that state governments have pulled the plug on higher education. But Michigan is also petty & greedy. If you handed Michigan $100 billion with no strings attached, they wouldn't lower tuition by a single penny.
Warde strikes me as the sort that is immensely better at getting & holding jobs than doing them.
He's not going anywhere.
This is nothing on Alex but this is basically the sort of article that is both A) now necessary and B) triggers my disgust with the state of the sport.
He doesn't look a day over 3001.
I'm not quite as hyperbolic as to portray the NCAA as "oppressors" but I agree that there are no "relations" to "repair.
The B1G and NCAA are bullies and business partners. You don't "repair relations" with them; when you're Michigan fergadsakes you throw your fucking weight around. History of the handshake and all that.
To be fair it’s kind of hard to contest his shots. He’s damn good at wriggling through traffic like Reggie Miller of olde.
Late to the party but to answer OP, I’m mildly interested in just how badly Tominaga is going to abuse this defense. He’s been in a mini-slump but playing Michigan could be a nice salve.
Edit: yup