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- Inge got HUGE money from the organization that was hard to justify when he was at his best and was laughable when he was at his worst.
- Leyland continued to play him and defend him like he was Brooks Robinson even when it became apparent that he was a replacement level player at best.
- Decisions were made the last couple of years to keep Inge on the team either because of his contract or his history with the organization even though other players were more deserving of the roster spots.
- As you alluded to, when Inge was faced with these situations of getting beat out but somehow managing to stay on the roster he said some silly things rather than taking a utility role and being happy about it.
- Brady - seemed too obvious to mention
- Graham - definitely way too early to judge, but bummer that he hasn't had the impact that we expected right away due to injury
- Joppru - certainly flamed out for his draft position, but was on IR for his first three seasons so he never really had a chance.
- Breaston - good one. He was up and down at Michigan and I didn't think he'd latch on as a receiver in the NFL - maybe just a punt returner.
- Henson - he ruined both of his careers by trying to do both, unfortunately. And in both cases he was rushed into playing time that he wasn't ready for. I would have liked to see what would have happened if he stuck with football full time.
- Running Backs - I think there's an interesting trend in that so many of the best RB didn't do much in the NFL. I have a couple of theories behind this: First, I think we assumed they were better than they were since our offense centered around them so much and was built on tons of carries. Second, I think we used them up more in college than some other college backs and they reached their half-life sooner. Perry, Thomas, Wheatley, and Biakabatuka all had some degree of success but it was very short lived and then they were out of the league. Wheatley revitalized his career somewhat by becoming a power back in a part time role, but that's about it as far as longevity. It is hard to even come up with a RB that had any prolonged career - Leroy Hoard?
- Morgan (6'8")
- Horford (6'10")
- McGary (6'10")
- Bielfeldt (6'7")
- GR3 (6'6" or 6'7")
- Stauskas (6'5" or 6'6")
- Who from Stauskas (picking up the offense, playing decent D), Hardaway (dribbling), and Vogrich (dribbling, slashing a little) steps up to grab the SG spot?
- How does JB find playing time for four players who are essentially true post players? And related to that, who from that group shows they can hit a jump shot and earn some minutes at PF? (Or does GR3 take that spot instead....)
- Who steps up to be the defensive stopper on the wing? Douglas did a great job of matching up on the best wing and none of our returning players are known for their defense. Perhaps GR3 turns into an athletic stopper as a freshman?
- What can Horford and BIelfeldt contribute coming off of redshirt years?
- Thomas Robinson (18-12)
- Draymond Green (16-11)
- John Henson (14-10)
- Anthony Davis (14-10)
| Date | Title | Body |
|---|---|---|
| 2 days 6 hours ago | Transfer trend |
Does this list offer some insight into star QB's needing to play or else they transfer for playing time? 5 of 11 have transferred, 1 more left the program to parts unknown, 1 retired, and 1 isn't on the 2-deep in his third year with the program. The transfer number is astounding to me. You recruit an Elite-11 guy and think your program is going to be in good hands only to see him transfer?
I wonder if you look at historical Elite-11 lists (or maybe just top recruiting lists for QB) and see the transfer rates versus other positions what it would say. |
| 2 weeks 7 hours ago | Nice summary....but missing a couple of things |
I think you summarized Inge well with a couple of things missing: The other part of the Inge situation was timing. He was the face of the Tigers when they were horrible and people respected him because he played his butt off and played great defense while the team was horrible. We needed someone to root for and he was a logical candidate. He then stayed with the team when they became good and sort of personified their revival. When they became good it because apparent that he was beneath their standards yet his biggest supporters and Inge himself could not admit that to themselves. Had Inge just said humbly "I'm not cutting it right now and until I improve I understand why I'm not playing." Instead he talked about how he'd proved himself, he earned his spot, he didn't understand why he wasn't playing, etc. |
| 2 weeks 5 days ago | similar story |
While I was still at Michigan several years ago there was a friend of ours that fell into a similar situation. This person had a mental illness (undiagnosed at the time) and had constructed a completely fictional life for themself without anyone knowing. It involved a job, a house, travel, quitting school, etc. And no one knew. Finally the financial aspect of it started to unravel and this person's parents figured it out and got the necessary medical attention. |
| 3 weeks 6 days ago | My thoughts updated.... |
Based on some inital comments, here are my responses: |
| 5 weeks 2 days ago | Mental Fatigue |
What's interesting is that I heard he was struggling with the pressure of a big-time athletic and academic program.....so Maryland seems an odd fit. I was expecting him to select more of a mid-major or a lesser established major program. |
| 6 weeks 3 hours ago | Fun fact.... |
By the end of last season Michigan played one player (Jordan Morgan - 6'8") in their rotation that was taller than 6'5". (Not counting Christian, McLimans, or pre-injury Horford.) In the rotation we're debating in this these comments Michigan has the following: I'm not sure i can remember a time when Michigan was so tall. I remember that the 1989 team had Mills, Vaught, Riley, Rice, and HIggons that were all tall. I know Amaker had a team of underachievers that was pretty tall at one point too. That's a roster that you'd feel confident going up against the teams like MSU, OSU, and Indiana that seemed to out reach or out jump us all the time. |
| 6 weeks 3 hours ago | McGary = Center |
I think Ace's projection gets the five best players on the court at the same time, but my prediction is that you rarely see McGary and Morgan on the court together. I'm curious about JB's comments that he's installing some 2-post offense given how many big men we suddenly have, but I think you're going to see Stauskas or Vogrich start at the 2-guard (also because Hardaway can't dribble well) and GR3 start at PF. I think McGary is a center in this ofense, not a PF. Instead, I think you'll see McGary split time with Morgan at center with some time at PF here and there. Here are the open questions I see: I also agree that Spike will be a perfect parallel to Stilman White at UNC this year - about 6 minutes per game as a pass-first back-up to a star PG who doesn't turn the ball over, sets up teammates, runs the offense, hits a rare open shot, and looks out-classed on defense.
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| 6 weeks 9 hours ago | I"m okay with it.... |
I think he would have been a nice "end of the bench" guy but I'm not disappointed with UM moving on. I hadn't seen anything in his film that got me all that excited - though I know he plays on a top team and theoretically could have been a nice combo guard. But this season he would have been competing with Stauskas, Vogrich, Hardaway, Burke, and Spike for minutes (maybe Akunne too). The coaches have also told GR3 that they see him at the 2/3 position in the long-term. With Walton, Irvin, and maybe Hatch coming in next year it is a really crowded back-court. I think they decided to bank the scholarship and see how things play out. If Burke and Hardaway leave for the NBA, we may need some help. If they stay we're suddenly over-crowded. I think there are better options in 2013 so they moved on. |
| 6 weeks 2 days ago | Seriously? |
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't specify what year you see McGary as a 14-10 player, but that is an insane output for a college player. There were 21 players in the entire country who averaged a double-double and most of those were from smaller conferences. The players on the list from a big conference reads like a who's-who of All Americans: At this point I don't see McGary playing anything but center as a freshmen and I see him splitting time pretty evenly with Morgan. He may become a starter given his size, hustle, and athleticism or he may come off the bench given Morgan's experience. I think he'll be a solid player as a freshman and has a chance to be really good as he gets older. But my dreams of the next Chris Webber a no longer there considering his inconsistent season, being a big out of shape, his lack of a jump shot, etc. I think the PF spot will be Robinson's next year even though they're saying him at the 2/3 wing spots. I think it probably comes down to who from GR3, Horford, and Bielfeldt can man the PF spot the best and get the most minutes there. Maybe they just split it up across all of them and play the hot hand or match-ups. But I don't think you'll see Morgan-McGary much on the court at the same time......but what do I know? |
| 7 weeks 7 hours ago | Life without Burke |
Yesterday Brian said we'd probably squeak into the tournament even if Burke leaves. I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more.....unless we sign a true PG at the last minute. Last year we played a rotation consisting of 6.5 people (Vogrich gets the 0.5). We would have lost 4 of those 6.5 players in Stu, Zach, Evan, and Trey. The only returning guys would be Hardaway coming off a frustraing year and Morgan, who is almost entirely reliant on the PG to add any value offensively. We'd replace those four guys with three true freshmen, Jon Horford, and Max Bielfeldt. Essentially you're replacing four guard/wing players with three post players, a tweener forward who is athletic but can't shoot, and a combo guard. That sounds like an NIT team to me without additional immediate contributors at the guard spot. |

