Five Questions And Five Answers: Offense 2015 Comment Count

Brian

Previously: Podcast 7.0. The Story. Quarterback. Running Back. Wide Receiver. Tight End And Friends. Offensive Line. Defensive Tackle. Defensive End. Linebacker. Cornerback. Safety. Special Teams.

1. I bet you're mad because this isn't a spread offense amirite?

I am a spread zealot, it's true. However, I am not crazy. Therefore I am happy that Jim Harbaugh is the coach at Michigan no matter what offense he wants to run.

Meanwhile, the Harbauffense is not a spread but neither is it the old style "expectation is for the position" offense. Harbaugh's offense has a certain reputation…

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…and it does live up to that. It goes beyond that. Whereas the late Carr offenses tended to drive one thing into the ground over and over until it settled into a 3.4 YPC groove, Harbaugh loves to troll defenses with constant motion, trap blocking, and—yep—spread elements.

The Sugar Bowl demolition of a Virginia Tech team that a year later would hold Brady Hoke's first team under 200 yards of offense is the canonical example of the motion. Stanford shifted, and shifted some more, and continued shifting until grand cracks developed in VT's run fits.

That relies on the opponent screwing up because of your shifts and is not always going to happen… but it does sometimes. After Stanford had blown it open, Harbaugh deployed a play that I've used at various MGoEvents over the past few months. At each it plays like stand-up comedy:

They practiced that, and then used it as a middle finger.

[After THE JUMP: building Rome, explosions, Rudock]

Harbaugh's offenses put mental pressure on the opposition in a way that previous manball offenses at Michigan did not. This came up constantly during the Al Borges's tenure; I said that having to dodge a safety near the line of scrimmage sucked while Borges's defenders said they'd take it all day and twice on Saturday. It's clear that Harbaugh is in the former category. Like spread offenses, Harbaugh loves to screw with opposition safeties.

He is also highly flexible. If you invite him to throw, he will throw. He clearly desires quarterbacks who can grab yards on the ground, and will work towards offenses in which that is a moderately-sized component of the whole. QB rushing yards per year at various tenures, which I have not bothered to adjust for sacks:

  • USD: -25, 400, 700
  • Stanford: -150, 100, 350, 450
  • 49ers: 180, 550, 550, 650

Harbaugh loves running his QB on third and short and will use zone read principles on occasion. Statues need not apply.

And, I mean, even the manball stuff is not garden variety. "Pro style offense" is increasingly a misnomer since it's generally used to talk about an Iowa-type outfit that operates from under center with two wide receivers instead of the passing spread that dominates the NFL. But even if we take "pro style offense" to mean 1980s NFL offense, Harbaugh doesn't fit that either. The number of pro style offenses that will happily line up in the formation generally designated "goal line" on first and ten from their own thirty is zero. Harbaugh, though:

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In this Harbaugh gets some of the advantages that the spread had when it was first coming up. It was weird, and people didn't know what to do with it. This is weird, and people don't know what to do with it. If you can execute these blocks you have acquired an advantage because you've put a large man on cornerbacks who stay on the field no matter how much blocky/catchy you deploy. When those corners meet offensive linemen they go for a ride.

Not many football teams have not been able to execute these blocks well enough to make this an asset. Harbaugh's have.

I like the spread because it works. Harbaugh's offense also works. These days vanishingly few teams running traditional offenses can consistently crack the top 20 in rushing YPC. That list is basically Wisconsin, Alabama, and Stanford. Harbaugh built one of those teams from three stars. I'm cool with whatever he wants to run.

2. Can they build Rome in a day?

Much to our chagrin, Michigan fans have gotten used to the two-year process involved in digging out from a massive hole. The 2009 offense was meh but so so much better than 2008, which led to the Denard madness of 2010. The 2013 offensive line was a complete disaster; the 2014 line was meh. You don't just flip a switch; you spend a year cleaning yourself off.

I think that will be the case this year as well. So many of the problems with last year's team were players manifesting the overall chaos and incompetence of the program. Repeated failures to block the right guy on bubble screens—probably the easiest play in football to execute—stood out:

Then you had Funchess losing any ability to care and the tailbacks running at random and a much-reduced but still extant pile of OL errors and Devin Gardner. Poor Damn Devin Gardner.

Harbaugh is going to fix those things. It will take some time.

But I'm saying there's a chance. Michigan gets virtually the entire offense back save Funchess and Gardner, and the transfer of Jake Rudock is spackle for the enormous hole at quarterback. This is a veteran team all of a sudden: Michigan is set to start one underclassman (Mason Cole) against Utah, maybe two if Drake Harris beats out Jehu Chesson.

For Michigan to look HARBAUGH really quick there are four main things that have to happen:

  • One of Ben Braden or David Dawson has to get good this year.
  • One or more tailbacks has to go in the extant holes consistently—not even find cracks that are hard to find, just go in the damn hole the play is designed to open.
  • Rudock has to be the guy I thought I saw during the UFR series on him instead of the guy Iowa fans think he is.
  • They need someone to catch long passes. If the running game gets going, Jake Butt is a valid answer here.

Hitting on all of those at the same time is unlikely, but not so unlikely I discount the possibility entirely.

One other thing to consider: this might feel much better than it actually is. Michigan was close to last nationally in turnover margin a year ago and had special teams that were utterly incompetent in all the ways you gain and lose field position. They will be running downhill if those things get fixed, thus leading to lots of articles about a renaissance that hasn't quite happened.

3. Aren't we worried there will be a lack of explosion?

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Next year we hope to have more than one picture of Drake Harris [Bryan Fuller]

Yes. Harbaugh's Stanford offenses got away with it because they were so damn good at doing what they do that their tight ends could double as downfield pass threats. That requires a ridiculous level of efficiency that Harbaugh only acquired in his third year. Also they had Andrew Luck.

Michigan does not have Andrew Luck and they do not project to be so good on the ground that opponents freak out about the run game to the point where TEs average almost 20 yards a catch. Neither do they have a back that feels like the kind of guy who will rip off 50-yard runs that should have been ten yard runs.

Either Drake Harris is instantly the truth—something I'm not banking on even if he remains healthy—or Michigan looks like a rich man's Iowa. Touchdown drives will be long, grinding, and relatively rare. Big plays will be thin on the ground.

That is the main hangup this year. The good news is that Michigan's defense and special teams should be well-suited to win the kind of field position battle a low-turnover, decent, boring offense will get in a lot of.

4. Which Rudock is it?

I explained most of my position in the quarterbacks preview, but I didn't offer a hot take. Here is that take: Rudock is a good, efficient, accurate quarterback who was making the best of a bad situation at Iowa. Accusations that he is a checkdown machine are vastly overstated because Iowa is in the last stages of the Ferentz death spiral.

I would like to re-iterate the pieces he was working with a year ago:

Mark Weisman, the main tailback, had the fifth-lowest "highlight yards" average in the country last year. In a nutshell, that means that once Weisman got five yards downfield he was one of the worst players in the country at getting more. That led opposing safeties to play in the parking lot. Iowa's receivers consisted of an inconsistent but promising downfield threat (Tevaun Smith), a mediocre slot receiver (Kevonte Martin-Manley), and a fast guy who was terrible at football (Demond Powell). Martin-Manley, the most frequent target, had a meh 58% catch rate despite being targeted mostly short by a very accurate QB. In pass protection, the Iowa offensive line was reminiscent of 2013 Michigan—a couple NFL draft picks at tackle and a disaster on the interior—except Brandon Scherff was no Taylor Lewan. (They were better on the ground.)

The one very bad no good read against Nebraska got inflated into a major problem when it was more likely a one-off issue; Rudock got dumped on because he was the quarterback and the quarterback always gets a disproportionate share of the credit and blame.

At Michigan, he will look like a different guy.

5. Well?

Rich man's Iowa it is. Michigan doesn't have the playmakers to have an excellent offense, nor will they be as efficient as they need to be if they're going to manball it the way Harbaugh wants. Those things are a year or two away.

In 2015 they will be a conservative outfit that punts after gaining 20 yards a lot. They'll grind out enough points to keep Michigan in games and win a fair few of them; they will not be mistaken for late Stanford.

Neither will they be mistaken for Actual Iowa, though: the talent is better just about everywhere. Someone in the running back corps is going to be good, and Jake Butt will paper over issues with the receiving corps because he can be that flex guy on the level of a Tyler Eifert.

It's gonna feel much better.

BETTER

  • Jake Rudock >>> Severely Broken, Out Of Warranty Devin Gardner
  • Older Kalis, Glasgow > younger Kalis, Glasgow
  • Older Cole >> freshman Cole
  • Magnuson at tackle > Braden at tackle
  • Healthy, older Jake Butt > ACL-recovering Jake Butt
  • Williams, Poggi, Winovich, Hill  > Williams, Heitzman
  • Four-headed Harbaugh tailback > younger three-headed tailback

PUSH

  • Grant Perry == Dennis Norfleet
  • Amara Darboh == Amara Darboh

WORSE

  • Drake Harris or Jehu Chesson <<< Devin Funchess
  • Braden < Jack Miller

Last Year's Stupid Predictions

Devin Funchess challenges but does not reach Jeremy Gallon's single season receiving record, and then gets drafted in the first round.

He did not challenge and got drafted in the second round. Half point for the second.

Devin Gardner is a slam dunk first team All Big Ten performer; he still makes too many bad decisions to be truly great.

    Slightly wrong. Devin Gardner was a mess.

Michigan's OL is Cole/Mags/Glasgow/Kalis/Braden for virtually the entire season unless Kalis's back flares up. If there is a change it is Glasgow shifting to RG with Miller entering at C.

Miller instead of Magnuson, but Magnuson got hurt. Pretty decent.

The running game improves significantly, starting out depressing and ugly but improving throughout the season until Michigan reclaims mediocrity at around 4.2 YPC. There is little separation between Smith and Green.

Highly accurate if you leave out the rote walkovers of Appalachian State and Miami (Not That Miami).

I complain about Norfleet being underutilized last year.

    Yep. Gimme, though.

Sacks plummet to the surprise of all. Cole is overmatched by elite rushers but handles the rank and file just fine; Braden is a bit of an issue that Michigan covers with tight ends. Tailback pass blocking gets so much better that it makes up for losing the tackles and then some.

Accurate. Michigan was middle of the pack in sacks allowed.

Michigan has a great passing offense, scraping the top ten in YPA.

No.

My main error last year was not accounting for the fact that 2013 might ruin a quarterback in much the same way being on the front lines of World War I would.

This Year's Stupid Predictions

  • Rudock starts the whole year and turns in a season like last year at Iowa except more efficient: 60% completions, 8 YPA, excellent TD/INT.
  • Glasgow and Kalis perform excellently, with Glasgow getting drafted in the middle rounds.
  • Both Braden and Dawson play early in the season, with Braden eventually winning the battle.
  • Jake Butt leads the team in receptions and wins the Mackey award.
  • De'Veon Smith and Drake Johnson emerge into the two main backs, with Smith getting a plurality of carries because he's healthy to start.
  • Ty Isaac functions as a weird H-back hybrid guy and third down back and makes 30-40 catches.
  • The run game moves up to good-ish, as Michigan approaches five yards a carry but doesn't get there.
  • Harbaugh.

Comments

michiganman001

September 2nd, 2015 at 2:22 PM ^

I think that Haurbaugh will have a similar type of offense as Saban and Kiffin had at Alabama. "Pro-Style" (which as Brian said is somewhat of a misnomer in todays nfl) but one that can be explosive and also can push the tempo. Speaking of tempo, does anyone know what the average time between snaps, Haurbaugh's Stanford teams had?

AZBlue

September 2nd, 2015 at 2:34 PM ^

Much like our O last year.  However, I believe that Brian would point out that Stanford got to the line much more quickly which allows for the motion, reads, etc. which made it successful on a per-play basis --- something we did NOT have last year when getting set with 5-7 seconds on the play clock.

dragonchild

September 2nd, 2015 at 4:27 PM ^

It doesn't tire them out physically.  It tires them out mentally.  Every time the offense shifts, even if it's just a feint, they have to adjust.  Physically it's just trotting around -- that's not tiring at all -- but the concentration needed is exhausting.  If you watch the Orange Bowl clip, most of those shifts are trolling, but the defensive leaders are running around and getting everyone into position each time.  (And FWIW, yes VT stuffed the run, but on the very next play they got torched.)  Neither can you rotate, because then they'll just snap it for free yards.

Hoke's slow pace gave the defense an advantage.  Harbaugh's slow pace puts defenses at a disadvantage.

mistersuits

September 2nd, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^

Splitting my time between BLL and MGoBlog pre-season posts.

Just read the chapter on the tennis team. Oh. My. God. I thought I despised DeBord back when he was just Al Borges of the Carr regime. What a crony.

ak47

September 2nd, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^

Man overall this is great but you really loved some Norfleet.  Seems like a good guy but he had 21 total receptions on offense in 3 years  for 157 yards.  He might have been under utilized and Grant Perry might be a freshman but I don't think its a great sign for this offense if the starting slot receiver ends the year with 15 catches for 111 yards.

Elmer

September 2nd, 2015 at 9:39 PM ^

Agreed.  Norfleet never amounted to much on offense.  I was hopeful, but it never really manifested.  

I expect Perry to have a very good freshman season and surpass what Norfleet was able to produce.

I will still miss Fleet.  It was fun to see him on the field...even during TV timeouts.

wahooverine

September 2nd, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^

Today I have broken my own record for number of times I've alt-tabbed away from MgoBlog.  I have accomplished nothing today.  Thankfully my boss just had a baby and is out, and my workload is kind of light this week. I may go to sleep at 7pm just so tomorrow gets here faster.

arontal

September 2nd, 2015 at 2:33 PM ^

Agree with much of what you say, Brian, with one major exception.  

I think Funchess was a (not the only) cancer on this team last year.  He clearly looked like he stopped giving a shit on the field and this showed in poor routes, drops and crappy blocking.  He is undeniably a physically gifted guy.  But, that is mitigated quickly when you stop giving a shit.  The apathy is also contagious and helps to drive down the team.  So, I don't agree with the Funchess >>> Chesson, Harris, Darboh.  I'll take a less physically gifted team player over apathy any day.  

 

AZBlue

September 2nd, 2015 at 2:44 PM ^

I agree with Brian on this in two ways. #1 if we are only comparing pre-season expectations of 2014 Funchess vs. Harris, Chesson, et. al. #2 Defenses had to plan for Funchess in ways we can only hope Harris or others will do.
BUT since this is a results-based opinion I find it hard to believe that the WR platoon with Harbaugh/Ruddock won't do better than the Funchess totals last year.

bronxblue

September 2nd, 2015 at 2:38 PM ^

Seems like Brian has kind of given up on Green as a feature back.  It makes sense; I haven't seen anything fantastic out of him, and if he can't run through holes consistently all of his physical tools (size and speed) are for naught.

dragonchild

September 2nd, 2015 at 4:43 PM ^

From what I saw, Green was basically a 5-star because he was a rare combination of big and fast and could use that to his advantage against HS competition.  What I didn't see so much of were the two things an RB needs to succeed at the next level -- vision and balance.

The scouts and other schools are just as guilty so to criticize Hoke & Co. would be unfair, but it's the classic Brady 6 scenario -- go after guys who look the part instead of guys who can just play some damg football.

AZBlue

September 2nd, 2015 at 5:15 PM ^

Green, Isaac, Kalis, and Shane were 5-stars but not concensus 5-stars ala Mr. Peppers.

I do expect one of the above RBs to get good enough to get drafted along with Kalis before all is done in their careers.

El Jeffe

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:49 PM ^

I wonder if the move away from inside zone will help--from the little I understand about run blocking it seems like the Harbaughfense leads RBs to a specific gap instead of the IZ premium on hole-picking (see: Mike Hart).

If DG (NTDG) or TI (NTTI) can run downhill to a hole and blast into it then I see us doing okay on the ground. And since De'Veon's best attribute seems to be getting 3 + 2 YAC that might be why he's out in front right now.

alum96

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:52 PM ^

I felt Green's vision improved from poor to average last year but he is just falls over so easily.   You can't teach balance - a rb has it or doesnt IMO.   Green's overall stats looked decent last year but it is a bad story when you dig into his splits.  Green looked fine vs App State or Miami OH or whomever - his ave run vs 2 cupcakes last year was like 8+ a carry.  When he plays any real team his ave drops to just above 3.  And its not all the OL fault.  You get an arm on him, and he falls.   It is a bit of a shame.

JFW

September 2nd, 2015 at 2:51 PM ^

got done listening to the Hard Core History about WWI; so this:

"My main error last year was not accounting for the fact that 2013 might ruin a quarterback in much the same way being on the front lines of World War I would."

cracked me up. Well done Brian. 

westwardwolverine

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:08 PM ^

All I know is this: 

In 2010, the 49ers were 6-10 with a mediocre sub-.500 coach. In 2011, with much the same + Harbaugh, they were 13-3 and a game away from the Super Bowl. And they did it with a game manager at QB. 

In 2014, Michigan was 5-7 with a mediocre sub-.500 coach. Now, with much the same team + Harbaugh, they head into the 2015 season with a game manager at QB. 

Just like the 49ers were better than Singletary and staff's poor coaching showed, Michigan will be much better this year than they were last year with the co-HC duo of Hoke/Brandon. 

12-2. 

davidhm

September 2nd, 2015 at 5:11 PM ^

This.  I'm trying to check myself on the optimism I have but I feel the exact same way.  This isn't RR in 2008 where the "cupboard is bare"....this is a team loaded with talent.  If Hoke could muster an 11-2 season in his first year, granted Denard and his freakish ability, why can't Harbaugh do the same?  I think a decade of mediocrity has, rightfully so, tempered us a bit.  It certainly has the national media bearish on what Michigan football can be in year 1 of Harbaugh.  But as I pointed out to a co-worker:  OSU was 6-6 with Luke Fickel coaching a talent-loaded team.  The very next year, with Urban Meyer, they run the table. The 2nd year: they run the table.  I know, we don't have the same talent, but I seriously think 9-10 wins is not nearly as far fetched as others are saying.  And while it would suck to lose to MSU and OSU again this year, those are the only teams that I feel we are truly outmatched - and not by much.

Reader71

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:16 PM ^

Am I the only one who missed Borges last season? Probably. I miss Borges if I dont see him hourly. I carry pictures of Borges in my wallet. But seriously, how was our passing game so terrible last year? Sacks went down, safeties still packing the box, and nothing. We were the least threatening passing offense I can recall outside of 2008.

Needs

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:38 PM ^

Nope. I'll join you on the "Borges was better" bandwagon. I thought Nussmeier was a total bust. At least the offense under Borges was capable of occasional explosions. Under Nussmeier, it was nothing but a series of 8 yard passes thrown by QBs who looked unprepared and lacking confidence. Nothing at all to stretch the field. 

 

And Bacon at least hints in his book that it was Nussmeier, rather than Brandon, who pushed to play Morris against Minnesota.

Mr Miggle

September 2nd, 2015 at 5:41 PM ^

results vs realistic expectations, Nussmeier's year with the QBs would make a very short list of the worst at Michigan. Everyone back with an improved OL in front of them and the QBs both regressed. I don't buy the Gardner was broken excuse, nor do I think it applied to Morris at all.

jackw8542

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:18 PM ^

My recollection is that Green and Isaac were the two most highly regarded five stars in the country a few years ago.  Until they show that they cannot produce with competent coaching, I am still willing to be optimistic about both of them.  Green has certainly worked hard to get into perfect shape the last two seasons.  Sometimes the back has to be able to see the hole, but sometimes it has to be somewhere close to where the play design has him looking.  So, with the history of the Hoke years being what they are, I would like to see whether Green will be looking in the right places this year and finding the holes at least somewhere in that vicinity.  We also have no reason to doubt Isaac of which I am aware, as he did pretty well in his limited opportunities at USC.  And, Smith seems to have beat out both of them.

My view is that Rudock will be much better than a lot of people think and that our backs will do really well behind a much better OL.

But even my wife tells me I am ridiculously optimistic, and not just about Michigan.

GO BLUE!

readyourguard

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:24 PM ^

No mention of AJ Williams?  I believe he benefits the absolute most from the coaching change. 6 receptions/2 TDs but more importantly, he won't suck at blocking any more.

 

MGoStrength

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:26 PM ^

Quick question...when we say Harbaugh is 2 years away from truely doing what he wants to do...as in the way he did it at Stanford does that take into consideration the roster?  It's concievable that Harris, Cole, Perry, and Bunting are looking like strong recieving threats in 2 years and that Gentry seems like a talent.  But, aren't we still a really good RB and o-line away from that?  I don't see that RB on our roster, so are we assuming we get one this year or next?  And, all our o-lineman will be gone by then, so we are assuming our lineman will be Cole, Dawson, Kugler, JBB, and LTT.  I don't know about anyone else but that seems highly speculative since we never seen any of them in any real action.

AZBlue

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:46 PM ^

look better than they really are.  I am not a huge Pro football fan but apparently Trent Richardson was made a LOT of Money by his OL at 'Bama.

I think at least 2 or 3 of the 4 backs fighting for the position currently will be able to look at least "good" this year and next behind this improving OL - which could be great by 2016.

I expect the line will be very good beyond 2016 with the usual ups and downs associated with the amount of youth/experience as guys shuffle through.  Drevno/This coaching staff is good at identifying and developing the OL and I expect at least as good results as OSU and MSU have had recently.  (Remember when the OSU line was going to suck last year?)

MGoStrength

September 2nd, 2015 at 7:06 PM ^

That makes sense, but time will tell if it actually happens.  But, I have my doubts about the big play ability of anyone on the roster at RB.  I agree that the o-line should be pretty good in 2016.  We bring back everyone except Glasgow and he's replaced by a 3rd year player who was a highly rated center recruit in Kugler.  And, everyone returning is a 3 year starter.  But, in 2017 we only have one guy that is yet to see the field in Cole.  We've never seen guys like Dawson, LTT, or JBB who'd you assume would be starters by then.  In the Carr era I never worried about o-line, but ever since it's caused me to be a little more hesitant of guys who are unproven.  Maybe that's coaching, maybe not, we'll see.

alum96

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:59 PM ^

Its a generic comment IMO.  This team is going to be very diff in 2 years - almost the entire defense leaves post 2016 - Henry, Lewis, Peppers, Gedeon, Bolden, Stribling, Wilson, Charlton, Wormley, Morgan.   Durkin (if he is not a head coach somewhere) will have a major project on his hands in 2017.   The hope is by then we win with offense whereas this year we win with defense.  We had a tiny 2015 class on top of it with defense - only 4 recruits.  So not much in the way of help in 2 years from last year's class.

Next year we will actually be the most experienced of these 3 years (2015-2017) but have a tough road schedule.   Then in 2017 we will have a young team - 4 of 5 of our starting OL will be gone after 2016 as well.  As will Butt, Green, Smith, Darboh, Chesson etc. 

2 years is an eternity.  If we could put 2016's team with 2017's schedule we would prob have a huge 3rd year of Harbaugh.  2016's team may be better than 2017s but the schedule will be a buzz saw.

MGoStrength

September 2nd, 2015 at 6:57 PM ^

That makes sense, you're probably right.  I never really worried about the QB, o-line, or RB positions pre-Rich Rod, but ever since we have not consistently had quality play at these positions so now I'm always a little leary of guys, even if they have high recruiting profiles, that have never played.  And, I agree that the defense in 2017 looks scary.  We have a lot of holes in recruiting for the defense coming soon, especially in the back 7.  Hopefully a good year on the field and a few signature wins will help to infuse some guys that are capable of playing as underclassman.

Firstbase

September 2nd, 2015 at 3:33 PM ^

...but I'm always optimistic, perhaps overly so. I think man-for-man and pound-for-pound we have as much talent as many of the country's top-tier programs. To me, it's more a matter of getting everyone in line and singing from the same hymn book. 

I'm optimistically thinking Harbaugh gets the guys operating in harmonious synchronicity from the get go and upsets Utah Thursday. 

After the win, I would love nothing more than to see our players and coaches be nonchalant afterwards, as though they had just beaten a "cupcake."