Why Michigan Defeated Ohio (according to some Ohio fans)

Submitted by Darth Wolverine on December 2nd, 2011 at 11:47 AM

I thought I might share this with my fellow fans and it's killing me that I don't have a link to provide, as it appears this post was taken down from the site. It was just on there a couple days ago but I just can't find it unfortunately. I e-mailed the text to Brian, so that is where I got it from (just pasted it here of course). The bold text below was a post on the Ohio ESPN message board for Michigan fans and of course, it's full of nothing but lame excuses. Oh what selective memory Ohio fans have, as they cannot recall the flux the Michigan program and fans went through in 2008, 2009, and maybe you can throw 2010 in there. Again, I apologize for not having a link, but this was really on their board.

An Open Letter To Fans of That Team Up North

Congratulations. You did it!! You finally did it!! After 10 grueling years of merciless beat-downs and coming up short in the few close games (save one) you finally put together the winning recipe to beat the team that caused your players pants to be yellow. You rose up in talent and skill, in game planning and sheer determination, in coaching and spirit, and you "feasted" on a dominant OHIO STATE team, coming away with a 6 point victory at home, failing to cover the spread. We are back you say!! Right? Or..... are you really saying are we back??

Ohio State was 6-5 with a 3-4 record in the B10. We barely beat Indiana and Toledo (a team that beat you fairly recently).
Ohio State has been under an NCAA microscope all season. 
Ohio State has faced extra suspensions and new allegations during the year. 
Ohio State was using a first year / interim coach with no other head coaching experience. A true rookie.
Ohio State had a very young and injury riddled defense. Out were Williams, Sweat, and Bryant.
Ohio State was using a TRUE freshman QB. Not a red shirt who had been around the system for a year already. 
Ohio State was dealing with all of the media hype and distraction surrounding the Urban Meyer hiring.
This was the team you beat. Congratulations on that hollow, tinny victory. You didn't take a monkey off your back, you simply plucked his last few fingers off that were still holding on after all of the above. Congratulations. Yet, even with all of that happening this year and leading up to the game you  know deep deep deep down in the same place where you have shivered and groaned all these years that you were lucky to beat this  beleaguered team. Lucky indeed to beat a 6-5/3-4 decimated Ohio State team AT HOME. 
You know in your heart of hearts that Braxton Miller overthrew not one, not two, but three wide open WRs who had left your sorry secondary in the dust and would have scored certain TDs, but didn't. You know that just one of those passes being completed meant that you lose yet again. You feel that same sick, soaking, feeling of despair that you have felt for so very long. Too long. You know in your heart that this may very well be the last year you win for a very long time again. You are a shell of your former self. A has been. You know that you had a total of just two calls against you the entire game, that won't happen in Columbus next year.
When Meyer shuts down the one year run you had on the Ohio talent pipeline your program will shrivel up once more and return to its' dormant, near extinct state that it was just last year. When he opens new pipelines into Florida and the south and starts pulling in national talent it will only get worse. You will return to the same punching bag you were the past seven years. The same team that lost to Appalachian State, Toledo, and such.The same team that was our doormat year in and year out. We will own you once again. You don't feel we owned you? Please. Just look at your reaction to winning against the worse Ohio State team in decades. It was sad, pathetic, and revealing. Just go to MGoBlog. The gloat-fest is so sad as to be worthy of pity. You would think that UM just won the National Championship. You would think that a powerhouse team just came in and you whipped them good. But no, you beat a team that was 3-4 in the B10. Congratulations. Revel in the victory. Gloat. Climb to the top of the highest mountains and cry out "We are Victors!!" "We have returned!!" 
It will make your precipitous fall from those falsely inflated heights that much more enjoyable to watch.
Sincerely, an Ohio State fan.


STW P. Brabbs

December 2nd, 2011 at 2:11 PM ^

Every time I see that commercial, I fucking crack up.  I couldn't believe it the first time.

They already have a band that looks like a fascist army on parade, and now this.  'Thanks to the genius doctors at OSU, I don't have to be self-conscious at my Aryan Nation meetings any more!'

Really, that was the only gesture they could think of to prove that his hand was steady?


December 2nd, 2011 at 5:00 PM ^

Despite the fact that OSU vacated their 2010 victory over Michigan, Michigan does not vacate their loss. Thus, Michigan is 58-44-6 against OSU, while OSU is 43-58-6 against Michigan.

This doesn't make any sense at all, but that's the way it is recorded in the record books. Which begs the question: shouldn't Michigan have self-imposed the "punishment" of vacating 2008 when it was discovered that the team was committing "major" NCAA violations that year?


December 2nd, 2011 at 12:49 PM ^

By his logic then, Ohio's winning streak against us was only 3 games, not 7.

2007 doesn't count because Michigan was bad because its key players were injured.  2008-2010 doesn't count because Michigan was bad because of the failed Rich Rod experiment.

OK, whatever.

For the record, our 10-2-1 streak against Ohio still counts in full.  Don't care how good or bad OSU was. 



December 2nd, 2011 at 5:20 PM ^

None of their streak ever counted.  2006 doesn't count because their grass field was too slippery.  In 2005 we lost because Carr punted, not because of anything they did.  2004 doesn't count because they used bomb-sniffing dogs before the game.

We actually have a two-game winning streak in the series.

Darth Wolverine

December 3rd, 2011 at 1:30 PM ^

Sorry, mate. I think you're wrong and obviously other people do, too. I don't troll the Ohio boards either. I stated in this thread somewhere that I just checked out the Ohio board to see what kind of bitching and excuses they were giving and found that beauty. You're probably the only one here who doesn't find this amusing.


December 2nd, 2011 at 11:55 AM ^

Also, note the flawed logic.  He argues that Meyer will both shut down Ohio's borders while also recruiting a ton of talent out of Florida.  His brain failed to realize that both cannot simulatenously be done, as scholarships are limited.  


I say let them live through their football/basketball programs.  It would suck enough to live in the state of Ohio, let alone find a job with a degree from "The" Ohio State University.  


December 2nd, 2011 at 12:16 PM ^

In the mighty SEC, at least until recently, scholarships really weren't limited - even today, they can still sign 100 to our 85 over a four year period.  I do believe that the President of the U of Florida has spoken out against the practice, which might be one of the reasons Meyer left.


December 2nd, 2011 at 11:55 AM ^

I guess this guy doesn't believe that you throw all records out the window in rivalry games.

I also assume he admits that all those top 5 OSU teams that lost to 4-loss Michigan teams in the Cooper years were overrated with "falsely inlfated heights"  


December 2nd, 2011 at 11:56 AM ^

Michigan won.  Times are changing and Michigan won.  Get over it dude!  Michigan got jobbed on Toussaint's TD, Ohio basically lucked out in the turnover dept - you can play the "lucky" card all day long.  Michigan was lucky Braxton's accuracy isn't good.  Ohio was lucky Michigan didn't snag their fumble and lucky the replay official blows a wad.

Michigan's 5-7 bowl-less 2009 team lost to the BCS bound Ohio team by a score of 21-10 and threw the game with mass-turnovers in the red-zone.  Michigan lost.  End of story.  Excuses are lame.

So, in summary, a loss is a loss is a loss is a loss.  Just a typical fan - losing to a rival then reverting back to recent wins and a future of hypotheticals. 


December 2nd, 2011 at 11:56 AM ^

They danced and sang when they beat a down UM team. Bg deal. After 7 straight you'd think they could just shut up and take their medicine, but then you remember who you're dealing with.


December 2nd, 2011 at 12:56 PM ^

When our 9 game win streak against Penn State ended, it just ended.  End of story.

No excuses, no taking away from the fact that streaks don't last forever.  They beat us.  It was not a conspirency, it was not flaw in the fundamental logic of the universe.  We did not like it, but they beat us.  We moved on.

Deal, Buckeye.


December 2nd, 2011 at 11:56 AM ^

in all seriousness, i dont think buckeye fans respect the rivalry.  i think the players and luke fickell do, but not the fans.  all i heard was we are down, and we need to win mnc's instead of beating the wolverines.  the commentators, all of them, never said a word about beating us, always mnc's.  robert smith, herbie, and down the line.  they take it for granted. 

i went to michigan, grew up loving nd, now i hate them.  but, while i was in school, early 90's, we worried about beating nd, and ohio and msu was an afterthought.  i didnt like ohio, but didnt care.  i thought we would always beat them.  felt sorry for msu and their crap program in the 90's. 

i think buckeye fans feel like we did in the 90's.  even urban never mentioned us in his interview.  i think he is in for a surprise.  when you get overlooked, you become real dangerous as we have found out.


December 2nd, 2011 at 12:03 PM ^

You're exactly right. OSU and even MSU fans have just become totally insufferable. I know all fanbases have them (UM's included), but it is never about the rivalries anymore, it's just about how bad someone can bash the other team verbally. No one will listen to reason. I absolutely hate dealing with OSU and MSU fanbases anymore...it's no fucking fun.


December 2nd, 2011 at 1:39 PM ^

What is even worse for Ohio "fans" is fans in 49 states (even here in SEC country) believe Ohio is the dirtiest program in college football and everything they accomplished in Saint Tressel's tenure was illicit.  They have zero respect outside of Ohio, but hey, they have each other and unfortunately they have us to remind of their past glory and future delusion of dominance.  When you lose, I guess that is all you have.

Try to take away our joy you insufferable bastards.  I laugh at you, and so does most of America.