Jonesy

December 6th, 2017 at 4:06 PM ^

I dont' think he's blaming Peters for getting injured, he's saying qbs get injured, you need backups.

 

What he is blaming Peters for is for being merely mediocre. I'ts not like he lit it up and made himself the obvious choice for starting QB going forward. He never even passed for more than 157 yards.

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Qmatic

December 5th, 2017 at 11:33 PM ^

Best case scanrio: Peters balls out in the Outback Bowl and Is the #1 QB headed into camp. Him Shea and Dylan battle all through spring and fall. Shea gets the nod because of his versatility and talent. Peters is ready to go for any circumstance. We as a fan base finally feel that we have 2 QBs who can take us to a championship. Newsome comes back and anchors a strong line with Ruiz Brederson Spanallis and Bog Mine. The concerns regarding OL and QB are gone. DPJ and Black are the top tandem in the B1G

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BossHawgzGoinHam

December 5th, 2017 at 11:37 PM ^

The best part of what Sam said to me was Shea contacted Michigan without demands and said he had zero problems competing for his spot. Also even tho Shea feels he will win his appeal he is still prepared to make a decision with his future without knowing what will happen. I think we can throw selfish and primadonna off the list. Good things are coming guys. Shea is recruiting for us too by the sounds of it.

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jsquigg

December 5th, 2017 at 11:41 PM ^

I know I'm just setting myself up for another emotional dong punch, but whatever.  I think this is a turning point for Harbaugh's program.  He tweets at Mork to signal that we're done taking shit and that he sees MSU and "Coach D" for what and who they truly are.  He is after the top talent after a disappointing year, and if Peters and McCaffery don't want to compete they weren't right for Harbaugh's Michigan anyway.  Scorched earth starting New Year's, no apologies. 

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BossHawgzGoinHam

December 6th, 2017 at 12:01 AM ^

Here is what I think people are missing or forgetting with BP. 1. When he played he did so with like 30% of the playbook tops. So everybody saying he had Wilt beat for # 1 that's not possible. Wilton played with a lot more of the playbook than O'Korn and Peters combined. 2. I think BP seriously pissed Harbaugh off last spring and I think that still rubs him the wrong way. He seemed to favor Wilt and O'Korn 10x more than BP even when O'Korn was playing so bad. I also think that's why he stayed 3rd on the depth chart for so long. 3. I am really curious to see how well BP does with all these 1st team reps going into the bowl game. If Peters comes out looking like a polished version of himself that is great. If he comes out still running 30% of the playbook we might have some problems.

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BossHawgzGoinHam

December 6th, 2017 at 12:19 AM ^

I never said it was complicated he just didn't learn much of it. I mean he admitted himself that he didn't have it down and he could have focused more. This is 100% on BP. Then take into account Harbaugh is ultra competitive and his QB couldn't focus on learning the playbook which should be his #1 job and had a year to do it. I think in Harbaughs case it's easy to see why he chose BP so late in the year. If Shea comes the playbook is going to change a lot in my opinion. Great coaches adjust the scheme to fit their team and JH will do the same. We have a ton of good young WR's and there was a lot of talk about 4 WR sets last spring and on. I think with a dual threat QB who is extremely accurate now is the time to do it. It will help the OL bcuz it would be quicker passes and probably help with our rythym too.

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LKLIII

December 6th, 2017 at 12:27 AM ^

Dumb question, but wasn't Peters running the scout team last year?  Just like McCaffrey is doing this year?  When they do that, how much time do they really have to learn the playbook?

I thought Harbaugh always said it took 2 years for a guy to become ready.  The first year to simply "fill out" and gain the strength & get used to the speed of the college game.  The second to truly master the playbook/line calls, etc.

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Mr Miggle

December 6th, 2017 at 8:00 AM ^

work as hard as he should have when he was a true freshman, because he knew he was going to redshirt.

I'm not saying that was also true for Peters or McCaffrey, just that it does happen with freshmen. I would expect Harbaugh to react differently to that attitude than Hoke or Borges, but it's one more reason for his general approach to redshirting.

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uminks

December 6th, 2017 at 12:40 AM ^

In 2 years working with the coaches you should know most of the playbook. Rumor has it that Dylan is fairly bright and may already know much of the playbook. I really think Dylan will be our next starter. But I will be happy with the one who wins the job in summer camp. I think our biggest improvement position will be QB.

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Hand Pointer

December 6th, 2017 at 12:13 AM ^

Knows we are fucked if we don’t hit on a qb next year. With no speight you have an unproven peters and an even more unproven mccaffrey. Let’s not lie peters didn’t light the world on fire. In his few games And harbaugh clearly has reservations if it took him so long to give him the nod over okorn. Why not take Patterson if you have the opportunity. If peters beats him out then great

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M-Dog

December 6th, 2017 at 12:21 AM ^

Everybody has been on Harbaugh's case about being 1-5 against the rivals, and for not showing his old fire on the sidelines, and for not shaking things up and making some bold moves to win championships.

Well this one is pretty bold.

Harbaugh is pushing all the buttons he can to win championships.

We got what we want people, let's see where it goes.

 

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Bigly yuge

December 6th, 2017 at 12:44 AM ^

I think we have an opportunity to blow the doors off teams next year, especially if the production at WR and QB improve to where I think they will. Yes we have a difficult schedule but we finally will have a plethora of experienced athletes all over the field on both sides of the ball. I could easily see us winning the big ten next year. Let’s goooooooooooo

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Blue Carcajou

December 6th, 2017 at 1:11 AM ^

I swear to God, Peters better not phone in a performance against South Carolina with intentions to leave (ala D.J. Durkin) if Shea commits to transferring before the bowl game...

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BoFan

December 6th, 2017 at 1:49 AM ^

1. He would be the highest rated QB in the history of Michigan recruiting and I believe the 2nd or 3rd highest recruit ever.

2. QB was the only thing missing from a championship season this year - stating the obvious

3. Given all the injuries every year we have to have depth at QB to be champions. We need three top QBs and we will have them

4. Harbaugh doesn’t recruit guys who are afraid of competition. I expect Peters and McCaffery to compete and potentially win. Remember when everyone assumed O’Korn would be the starter after his transfer. 2nd string is an injury away.

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Clarence Boddicker

December 6th, 2017 at 2:27 AM ^

"2. QB was the only thing missing from a championship season this year - stating the obvious"

Gotta disagree with you here. You don't win national championships starting true freshman receivers. Also--that was not a championship o-line. The good news is that a year's experience will make a world of difference.

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gruden

December 6th, 2017 at 9:05 PM ^

While I don't necessarily think M would've won that game with Speight, part of the issue is that the offense doesn't stay on the field long enough, giving the opposing offenses too many opportunities.  If M got better QB play against PSU, then PSU gets fewer scoring opportunities.  Maybe doesn't translate into win, but certainly a more competitive game.

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Christicks

December 6th, 2017 at 7:39 AM ^

With healthy Peters, we beat MSU, Wisco, and OSU.  All of those games were trending the right way with simply mediocre QB play.  PSU, however, was a loss no matter what way you look at it.  They shredded the defense.  But, that would have meant a B1G championship.

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Jonesy

December 6th, 2017 at 6:01 PM ^

Speight and Peters weren't that much better than O'Korn, none were even average. An average QB beats MSU and OSU and maybe Wisc. A good QB beats all three. We probably lose to PSU regardless. But 11-1 gets us another game vs Wisc and if we win that we're in the playoffs. So we were definitely a quality QB away from the playoffs, but not a championship unless we get lucky...even with our OL being pretty bad at pass protection.

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damgood

December 6th, 2017 at 2:32 AM ^

1. Would Henson or Mallet compare?

2. Remember the offensive line? We were very far away from championship material

3. No team has 3 top QBs. Usually only one QB can play at a time. If a top QB loses the job they transfer for better playing time elsewhere.

4. It’s not about being afraid of competition. See #3

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bluinohio

December 6th, 2017 at 2:40 AM ^

Yes, every single top qb in the history of football has transferred as soon as they lost their job. Happens all the time. I do it in my job too. Company hires someone else, i quit. The worst part is sitting out that year, talk about pinching pennies.

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Raving Blue Lunatic

December 6th, 2017 at 9:12 AM ^

your point regarding the O line's play is dead on. It wouldn't matter if we had Tom Brady under center, he would have lasted all of three or maybe four games before getting hurt...the team had a turnstile at Right Tackle all season long when it came to pass protection, especially when protecting against twists or stunts.  His numbers would not have looked good because the squirrelly freshman receivers drop too many passes and/or run bad routes. 

It would be great to get Patterson, but it would be even better to get Little or some of the other highly touted Tackles from the Ole Miss program that is imploding before our eyes.

I guarantee if the O Line can keep the QBs upright even on long passing downs when the opponent brings the house, they will produce.  The receivers will get better.  Peters and McCaffrey will both be better.  Better than Patterson? Who knows? 

 

I do not agree that a superior QB can overcome a porous O line and bad receiver play.  It's just not possible. We see it all the time at the NFL level when a Heisman winning QB ends up at Cleveland or some other shitshow of a team with a bad line and mediocre receiving, like he is some kind of a savior, like he's going to fix the systemic problems all by himself, and he ends up hurt and/or mired in mediocrity.

 

 

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KC Wolve

December 6th, 2017 at 9:40 AM ^

I mean, I get your point but it is incorrect. They win Wisconsin, MSU, and OSU with competent QB play. Just average ability to hit wide open receivers. Yes, the O line was bad a lot last year, but a good QB that can move in the pocket and make quick reads would make the line look a lot better. The line does need to improve a lot, but elite QBs can speed that along.

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Jonesy

December 6th, 2017 at 6:04 PM ^

Yeah, even if we don't replace those sacks that were 90% on the QBs but we just complete more of the passes to wide open receivers we beat MSU and OSU and maybe/probably Wisc. You also have to figure that having a functional QB backs off some of the 9 people in the box and then our running game is better too.

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