OT - Hypothetical playoff scenario
Had this discussion with co-workers - thought it might be an interesting topic here.
Let's say FSU and LSU are undefeated (both go to the playoff), Pac12 champ and Notre Dame both have 2 losses - they are out.
Michigan runs the table - 13-0 - they are in
Ohio State's only loss is a 10 point loss to Michigan, which means they beat OU earlier in the season
Who gets the 4th spot - 11-1 Ohio State (who beat OU) or 11-1 OU who won their conference?
add edit - every other team in the country (including Alabama) has 2 or more losses for the sake of this argument
edit #2 - does your opinion vary depending on if OSU blows out OU (by 21+)?
August 17th, 2016 at 12:42 PM ^
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Don't forget the coversheet. Did you get the memo?
August 17th, 2016 at 1:26 PM ^
and flirt with women 1/2 our age, as per usual.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:52 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 1:59 PM ^
We have 3! 27-0. We will beat them all twice! (and Rutgers one extra time)
August 17th, 2016 at 11:21 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 11:22 AM ^
There is no way the committee is going to let two teams from a conference not named the SEC into the playoffs.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:25 AM ^
Not saying they're right or we should put any stock in it, but Athlon thinks a one-loss FSU who loses to Clemson and an undefeated Clemson will both get into the playoff. I don't think that's so far-fetched it couldn't happen, especially if there is no dominant Big 12 or Pac 12 team.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:27 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 11:24 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 11:24 AM ^
I'd have to go with OSU based on the head to head. Not sure how you can argue otherwise, conference championships notwithstanding.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:25 AM ^
August 17th, 2016 at 11:32 AM ^
Well sure, but my opinion is also partially informed by the fact that the Big 12 looks really, really weak to me this year. Texas might be like the 4th or 5th best team in that conference. Who knows what the committee will do in any case.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:26 AM ^
My sense is that the CFP committe cares about two things.
First, they care about quality wins. In this scenario, Oklahoma's best wins would have been over Houston, TCU, Oklahoma State, and Baylor (#s 13, 14, 19, and 21 in the preseason Coaches' poll). Ohio State's best wins would have been over Oklahoma, MSU, Wisconsin, and Northwestern (#s 3, 11, 27, and 34). That seems like more or less a wash - OSU has a better marquee win, but Oklahoma's schedule is deeper. And both teams would have a roughly equivalent loss - at home to a top-5 team.
Second, they care about how a team looks heading into the playoff. They explicitly said that OSU made the playoff in 2014 in large part because of their 59-0 demolition of Wisconsin in the B1G Championship Game. In this scenario, Ohio State would have lost their last game to Michigan. Meanwhile, Oklahoma would have a nine-game winning streak. This is no contest - Oklahoma would be seen as the "hotter" team. In addition, Oklahoma would have a conference championship.
Therefore, Oklahoma would get the bid.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 11:26 AM ^
August 17th, 2016 at 11:26 AM ^
If that is the scenario, then Oklahoma and it isn't close - Ohio State almost certainly gets shut out in a situation that unfolds like that. I wouldn't even anticipate much of a controversy there, again, if it happened as described.
As someone mentioned, of course, early season losses seem far less consequential unless it is an epic shitting of the bed perhaps, but even then it doesn't feel like that would matter quite as much as doing the same thing against a team in your own conference in November.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^
August 17th, 2016 at 11:26 AM ^
Gotta imagine a conference winner takes precedent over one who didn't win theirs.. even if they lost the head to head.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:32 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^
I liked the thread about the 2017 season better.
August 17th, 2016 at 11:48 AM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 11:58 AM ^
Alabama. 2 losses and many would still argue they are the best team so they get it. World explodes. Film at 11.
August 17th, 2016 at 12:08 PM ^
A 2 loss Alabama still gets in.
August 17th, 2016 at 12:36 PM ^
Let's assume I win the lottery tomorrow, do I buy the 200ft yacht or the 250ft yacht? What options should I get on it?
That hypothetical is about as pointless as this.
August 17th, 2016 at 12:54 PM ^
Coin flip. Exactly like Friday Night Lights.
August 17th, 2016 at 12:40 PM ^
You'd assume going into the last game that your rankings are like this:
1. LSU
2. Michigan
3. OSU
4. FSU
5 or 6. OU
or something of that variety. Either way, you're seeing a version of the game with two 11-0, top 4 teams. The winner of that game (Michigan) is an easy #2 and probably gets some first place votes. Realistically, I'd think the loser (OSU in this case) probably only drops to 4 and sees FSU slide into #3
At that point, you have a #4 11-1 OSU with a head-to-head win against a #5 12-1 conference champion OU
I think the committee made it clear when TCU & Baylor got left out for OSU that conference champion matters. Since OSU was rewarded before, it seems only fitting that they would be left out (and OU put in) for the same reason
August 17th, 2016 at 12:45 PM ^
This is why they need to expand the CFP to 8 teams. When you can't include each P5 conference winner in the playoff then what good is it? 8 teams gives you the 5 conference winners and 3 at large bids.
August 17th, 2016 at 4:19 PM ^
If all you do is invite conference champions, then it makes the non-conference almost useless and everyone goes back to scheduling cupcakes. The window of 4 right now seems to be driving programs to actual play competitive teams and thus bolster their resume
August 17th, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^
Or every year Michigan/OSU based on one loss (no guarantee, just two pretty good programs who over the next years will likely go undefeated until the last game) will be hosed because they lost late in the season.
August 17th, 2016 at 12:55 PM ^
August 17th, 2016 at 1:18 PM ^
you could win or lose. But still deserve to be in a playoff. Can you be a NFC north champion and yet the runner up wins the Super Bowl?
August 17th, 2016 at 1:13 PM ^
Alabama already did it in 2011. And that was with a much smaller window to fit into (2 teams instead of 4).
OSU easily in for this scenario.
August 17th, 2016 at 12:56 PM ^
I would guess Oklahoma as their loss to OSU would be in week 2 or 3 right? Combine that with OSU losing late in the year moving them down polls. One big factor would be the SOS. Hard to say what conference would provide a stronger schedule strength.
I just feel the way they play things out the earlier the loss the easier to recover. Would also depend on if OU dominated the other opponents they faced after the loss vs how OSU did. Fun discussion, but so many variables.
August 17th, 2016 at 1:12 PM ^
Easily Ohio State if they blew out OU head to head and have the same number of losses.
LSU would for sure be ranked #1, FSU and Michigan would be #2/3, not sure which order. OSU would be #4.
August 17th, 2016 at 1:31 PM ^
Oklahoma, because their loss came early in the season.
August 17th, 2016 at 1:40 PM ^
Oklahoma, methinks. The playoff committee has shown they're looking for teams that get hot at the end of the year and build momentum (OSU 2014 and OU 2015 are prime examples). An early season loss is much more forgiving and easier to overcome, in the eyes of the committee, then suffering a late-season setback.
OSU was arguably the best team in America last year, bar none, when they were on their game. But they picked the worst possible time to lose a game, and it cost them a shot at defending their title. They would've been better off losing again to Va Tech at the beginning of the year. Let's not forget too that the playoff committee, thus far, has placed an emphasis on winning your conference. No team that hasn't won their conference has gotten in yet. So I'd pick OU, even if they lost the head to head matchup. This would especially be true after this year when the Big XII gets their title game back.
The only way I'd see OSU making it in over OU in this situation is if OSU loses a really close game to us, within three points, won the rest of their games, and just took OU to the woodshed and beat them mercilessly. As in Oklahoma losing by 4-5 touchdowns, and even then, the game doesn't feel like it was that close. It'd have to be the kind of loss that when someone thinks of Oklahoma, all they really think of is that game. No matter what they do for the rest of the year.
August 17th, 2016 at 3:22 PM ^
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August 17th, 2016 at 4:57 PM ^
No hypotheticals until we....
August 17th, 2016 at 8:17 PM ^
Probably depends on recent performances of OSU and Oklahoma. You'd also have to consider just how close OSU's loss to us was, i.e. did Michigan score with little time on the clock to make it a 10-point game, or were we in control throughout?
All of this is moot because I don't give a damn who else makes the playoff as long as we're in.
August 17th, 2016 at 9:45 PM ^
August 17th, 2016 at 9:46 PM ^