OSU Snowflakes - The Coaching

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on November 25th, 2018 at 11:00 PM
This will be the thread for hot takes and snowflakes regarding the overall coaching in this game versus Ohio State.

1975Blue

November 24th, 2018 at 4:20 PM ^

They took a whipping, but soon the coaches and staff will be planning an annual team trip to Europe or some continent for the players to get some culture and education. So not to worry. 

SkyBlue

November 24th, 2018 at 4:22 PM ^

Meyer wanted Michigan to throw the ball and Harbaugh refused to do it.  Meyer knew at 200 passing yards a game for UM that all he had to do was stop the run.  Bravo! Meyer you truly are the better coach. 

Amutnal

November 24th, 2018 at 4:23 PM ^

We didn’t even go up tempo down by 3 scores.  I mean. Come on.  We need a paradigm shift in offensive culture and mindset.  I really have no explanation for the defensive shitting of the bed.  

Boomer519

November 24th, 2018 at 4:24 PM ^

Coaching? Yeah Michigan could have used some of that today. Everything was absolutely terrible, not a single positive hot take from this entire shit show. 

Mongo

November 24th, 2018 at 4:25 PM ^

That was the worst Michigan defensive performance in near history.  What an embarrassment.  Not sure I would hang that on the coaches as Haskins is NFL quality throwing to NFL caliber WRs protected by NFL pass pro.  Michigan can't compete with that offense.  Had you said to me Michigan would score 39 points and lose ?  Not a chance in hell.  But OSU's athletes are that good.  We are far removed from OSU's offensive .

pdxwolve

November 24th, 2018 at 4:26 PM ^

Yep. OSU finally got their shit together, and UM got its doors blown off. Someone I know who is the biggest fan I know is really sick, and this is probably their last UM game. I was so, so hoping they'd pull it out for him.

Urbz is a fantastic football coach. Maybe among the top two ever. 

And I wouldn't take that slimy POS over our coach. Go Blue, and go JH!

Ghost of Fritz…

November 24th, 2018 at 4:26 PM ^

JH/Pep get an F today.  And they get a C for the season. 

For the entire season, they based the offense on the two sort of mediocre position groups--RBs and o-line, and totally under utilized his best offensive player, Patterson, and best offensive position group, the WR corp.

That just scratches the surface of what is wrong with the JH/Pep offense.  But it sort of get the most important idea across. 

Higdon, the rest of the RBs and the o-line are not bad, really.  But they are not elite.  They are not even the best position groups on Michigan's offense.  So why have an offense that is premised on those two groups being able to carry the load? 

Why think that against the best d-lines they will be able to get 6 YPC on predictable 1st and 2nd down runs? 

Michigan's D, plus the fact that PSU, Wisc, and MSU are not great offenses this year, papered over Michigan's nonsense offense.

But when Michigan had to play the best d-line they have faced all year...JH/Pep did not adjust one bit. 

JH has got to learn that he needs an offense based on (1) using his best weapons in space, and (2) relies a most on his best position groups, and (3) can win a high scoring shoot out game against OSU.

If JH does not get rid of Pep and let an elite college OC run the offense, he will never beat OSU.

dotslashderek

November 24th, 2018 at 6:11 PM ^

Curious if you asked yourself if they had any choice?  Like maybe the truth is our current oline is super one dimensional and decent at run blocking but terrible at pass protect?  

Which sure easy auto response is that's on coaching too but you play this season with what you have and maybe that's exactly what they had.  

Cheers.

Ghost of Fritz…

November 24th, 2018 at 7:04 PM ^

No.  The o-line is not elite.  But it is pretty good this year, both at run and pass blocking.  Plus not every pass play needs to be a thing where the o-line needs to hold their blocks for a full 7 seconds. 

OSU (and Purdue and many others) have a short and medium  passing game that does not require an elite o-line.  OSU's o-line this year is not elite.

 

stephenrjking

November 24th, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^

Michigan's offense needs more punch and more willingness to go downfield in all circumstances.

That said, this game was lost on the lines. The DL got zero pressure all game long; I thought I was watching Minnesota, not Gary and Winovich (though note that they were bad last week, too, so it's a trend). And the OL was problematic, particularly Steuber. OSU could keep a guy on Shea on those gives and still stuff Higdon and Evans on the runs. 

Oh, it was lost with the secondary being unable to handle OSU's passing game, too. DL helped, but Michigan's press man game wasn't enough to stymie the crossing routes (and the counters, remember OSU had counters to Michigan's adjustments). 

Oddly, Brown's offense seems well-suited to a spread offense that focuses on QB running. But spread offenses that can identify LBs and win one-on-one matchups with precision passing find room against man coverage.

The counter to that is zone stuff, which Michigan runs only as a counter. Iowa is well-suited to that in a way we are not. 

People who think Pep is the problem misunderstand Harbaugh's philosophy. Harbaugh wants all of these runs, and today Michigan's OL could not make room for them. Perhaps, given more time, they could wear down OSU's DL late in the game and make room for key late 4-minute-offense drives. Maybe that could have happened. But Michigan's disastrous third quarter meant that the running game was irrelevant when that would have happened. 

That was Harbaugh's plan and it didn't work, and in the third quarter we gave OSU a TD on the punt block and basically a free TD on that pick and that was that. 

I would like Harbaugh to get more aggressive in the passing game. There's good stuff there and lots of talent. Let's use it. As for Brown?

Maybe work on some schemes to deal with those crossing routes when the DL doesn't get home.

UMfan21

November 24th, 2018 at 4:45 PM ^

You say Pep is not the problem, then go on to day we need to be more aggressive in the passing game.  You do realize Pep is both the passing game coordinator and perhaps the loudest "voice" in Harbaughs headset in terms of playcalling right?  Your defense of Pep is very biased.  If you have ANY qualms with the passing game, that's on Pep. 

CompleteLunacy

November 24th, 2018 at 5:06 PM ^

I'm just not really sure what Pep brings to the table. It certainly isn't creativity. Unless you think zone read is creative. They dabbled with RPO concepts but never really did anything with it. 

We need a brilliant offensive mind to hold Harbaugh's ear. Obviously Harbaugh has the last word with everything, but he needs someone around to show him what things can be done with all of these weapons if he opens things up a little bit passing-wise. The days of playing conservative and relying on your D to win games are over - and today proved it. We had the #1 defense in the fucking country and it meant nothing. I hope Harbaugh learns this lesson. If he doesn't, this will forever be the result of games against high-powered offenses.

HollywoodHokeHogan

November 24th, 2018 at 6:10 PM ^

The dL was vastly overrated.  We need better dt play and Gary never lives up to his hype. But only one coordinator routinely puts his side of the ball in the S&P top 5 and it ain’t fucking pep Hamilton.  Modern college teams need to be able to win shootouts and Michigan can’t.  Our offense puts no pressure on the opponent offense to score because even on a good day.

Mongo

November 24th, 2018 at 7:44 PM ^

HOLY SHIT !!!!  UM's defense got tooled by an NFL caliber offense.  Our team had no chance in this game.  Haskins is a 1st round QB and his WRs and OL are NFL ready.  Our defense was totally tooled, not by being out coached but rather because our players did not match up.

4th phase

November 24th, 2018 at 4:28 PM ^

I think they almost tried to be Maryland with all the motion and runs and nonsense stuff and didn't stay true to their identity. The offense was just bad. The o line was bad and no one made plays.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

November 24th, 2018 at 4:29 PM ^

Just too conservative early.  “FG Harbaugh” won’t win championships especially against teams with the talent of OSU.

OSU built enough momentum and never had to get tight.

Also, Brown needs to develop a pitch other than a straight fastball.  It works when UM has superior talent, but not when the opposition has more speed.

MS3

November 24th, 2018 at 4:29 PM ^

Just absolutely speechless. This staff had no idea how to prepare for this game. With this result, there's no doubt that UM needs an identity change on offense too. Harbaugh needs to hire a young, innovative OC and get out of his way. The glory days of ground and pound just won't get it done against the elite teams now. Defense was just abysmal all game as well. If there's one thing we can learn from OSU, it's that SPEED KILLS, and we need more of it on both sides.

Sopwith

November 24th, 2018 at 4:30 PM ^

I admit it. Putting all off-the-field stuff aside, I admire what Ohio State does on the football field. Urban is a genius. His offense puts pressure on you at every point on the field. Up the middle. On the edge. Shallow passing. Deep ball. Everywhere. It's modern football, and game planned brilliantly. I wish it were us.

Red Sammy

November 24th, 2018 at 4:31 PM ^

The most disturbing aspect of the game was how Harbaugh could do nothing to keep his team from imploding as the game began to unravel.  Let's be honest: this was the biggest choke in the history of Michigan football.  

The playcalling on offense and all that, I'm sure there will be quibbling and anger, too conservative, blah blah blah.  . .but it was not the playcalling. . .it was the scared, gutless play that is so disturbing.  As early as 14-6, the players looked defeated.  Even the miraculous *comeback*, via the 2 TDs in 6 seconds, did nothing for the players.  The defense couldn't even hold for 40 seconds, and OSU ambled down the field for a FG.  

Why can't this team perform under pressure?  That is the question.  Don't get bogged down in the playcalling.  Much bigger issues need to be addressed.

Sparty Doesn't Know

November 24th, 2018 at 4:31 PM ^

It's not a hot take and you are not a snowflake if you are complaining, "throwing shade", offended, spitting out your latte, puking up your black bean burger, or asking your wife to please change the channel to Gilmore Girls after witnessing this shit.

 

SD Larry

November 24th, 2018 at 4:32 PM ^

OSU offensive scheme better than ours today.  With the exception of DP,Nico and occasionally Higdon, OSU looked like they had better, athletes today as well.  While you don't coach speed, they seemed bigger and faster on too many plays, and their offensive scheme worked better than ours.  

MGrether

November 24th, 2018 at 4:32 PM ^

This sucked. However, at the beginning of the season people were talking about 8-4, possibly 9-3 being “an alright result.” 10-2, with losses on the road to two top 10 teams is not “fire the head coach” material.  It just hurts more that we got so close to having nice things to be reminded .... not so much just yet. 

But, DAMN this burns. 

SD Larry

November 24th, 2018 at 4:32 PM ^

We made more mistakes and played our worst game of the year against a very talented team that was dialed in at home.   Last week OSU looked flat, this week they looked more ready than we did.

West Coast Struttin

November 24th, 2018 at 4:33 PM ^

2 pt conversation attempt in first half was dumb.

Not using pass to setup run - when O stacked was dumb.

Not putting Peters back in was dumb.

socalwolverine1

November 24th, 2018 at 4:34 PM ^

Worst we've been out coached in my lifetime, and I'm 61 years old! Maryland rushed for 350 yards against OSU last week and we made OSU's rush defense look good. And as for Don Brown...this is his biggest fail of his career,  either no clue or no balls to bring pressure on Haskins, which was our only hope of stopping him from shredding us.

Squad16

November 24th, 2018 at 4:36 PM ^

Team was overconfident, that falls on the head coach. Team collapsed under pressure, that falls on the head coach. 

Offensive playcalling on first and second down was wretched in the first half especially, that's on both Pep/Harbaugh. 

Defensive game-plan was really poor as well, didn't learn anything from last week. Though part of it was just Watson not being good enough. Our pass rush failed miserably, not sure if that's coaching or execution. 

 

All in all, Michigan has the most overpaid coaching staff in the United States. Good, not great; paid as if they were Alabama.