If games are played this fall, would you go to the Big House or not?
This sort of plays off the post below regarding who would be allowed to go if there were socially distanced/partial capacity crowds allowed at games.
As I mentioned in that thread, IF (big if) crowds are allowed, more than likely they will be partial capacity for social distancing purposes. Maybe we'll see 25,000 or 33,000 but certainly not sell out/over 100,000 fans (Good bye consecutive over 100,000 fans streak unfortunately). What I suspect is that the Athletic Department would do two things (1) not bother with single game sales and (2) allow season ticket holders who want to defer their ticket payments to 2021.
So the question is, would you defer or would you go to games and under what conditions would you feel safe enough to go (social distancing etc). Truthfully I'm struggling with this. As badly as I want to go to games (and its badly, as it has been for the 20 years I've been a season ticket holder), I'm the parent of young kids who rely on me and I can't help but think they're priority #1 and I shouldn't risk my health for a football game.
Is this a serious question? Of course
I wish I could've placed a micro-bet on this response from you. I'd expect nothing else.
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I'd at least consider going with some qualifiers:
* I'd probably avoid the restrooms (closed space, lots of people, etc.).
* I'd wait until I could walk to my seat without waiting in a long line.
* Some distancing would be nice.
Would I attend anything indoors? No.
I plan to be there at a game in September. I work every day and literally nothing has changed for me except there’s a lot less people out.
I do too. Been in my office every day all day because the court I go before didn't close. I can't see clients live but I come into contact with other attorneys in my office and people coming and going from my building. That said, I've had at least 12 clients (that I know of) who were hospitalized because of it, one is in a coma, two others on respirators and essentially in a coma and a couple have died. This is very real and I think its foolish to not treat it that way. If I was single and in my 20's I'm sure my answer would have been less contemplative but that's not my situation.
This is quite unusual, statistically speaking. The virus hits some people exceptionally hard, but for the overwhelming majority of people (excluding the elderly and those with preexisting conditions) it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience.
Because it’s all about you. If you’re not sick, why should anyone else be worried? This is the problem with too many Americans. They’re indifferent about risks to other Americans.
Also, there’s zero chance you’ll be going to games this year because science:
https://apple.news/AH2-9DhivR92UQiUnALQXMg
100% I would go.
Doubt it unless something drastically changes as it relates to vaccine development, testing, and contact tracing
Without a vaccine or some type of cure no I would not got. Watch it on tv instead
I would attend. From what I am hearing is that transmission of the COVID virus is very low when outdoors and I believe this. Hopefully, the best case scenario can play out and not the worst case as we often hear about.
That's what I've heard as well. Although most of the studies I've seen were done in China, which, if you aren't skeptical of studies done in China by now, I don't know what to tell you.
The one study I saw in Korea was something like 316 of 318 cases were transmitted indoors.
I'm not a big fan of live sporting events/crowds and the parking chaos, so I've never been to the Big House (I have seen Michigan play elsewhere). I also see no reason to watch M play Baby Seal U live, but I'd come up and watch a good Big 10 game this year if everyone is too scared or too old (I mean, if I was 80 years old I wouldn't be going). I might even buy a mask given all those people in one place.
"The one study I saw in Korea was something like 316 of 318 cases were transmitted indoors."
The problem with that is crowded outdoor events don't exist right now. Yes, it helps to be outdoors, but there's a big difference between walking around a "crowded" park versus packing a small city into a stadium.
Do you think the virus really knows you are outdoors if you are 16" from the next person? Typically outdoors is safe because you are 20' from the next person. You people are batshit crazy if you think being outside will protect you squeezed in butt to butt.
As far as it being nothing other than an inconvenience, even if that were true (which it isn't) do we really need thousands of people carrying the virus home with them to everybody else. If people go to a game like this they will need to self-quarantine for 2wks afterward.
Absolutely will go, if someone is scared just stay home its really simple. Don't need a fascist Governor preaching to me.
Without getting to politics, I agree with the sentiment that as a society, we can each make our own choices.
My only caveat is that it is certain that having large venue events will increase the spread. I respect the argument against such events that while you may choose to sit with 100,000 fans and accept the risk, you may then go into your office with someone who is not as accepting of the risk, and that person is then exposed to you.
Tough balance, which is why at the end of the day, I think that we may need to accept SOME REASONABLE amount of social distancing measures in certain limited situations for a few months (but not permanently) until there are a few better treatment options out there to make this disease more manageable. I am not talking about restaurants at 50% which is stupid (because science shows that this thing travels more than 6 feet, especially where there is air circulation as exists in any restaurant), or silly dots on lines in grocery stores (same reason) - but limiting the capacity of large venues such as sporting events to prevent "super-spreader" events makes some sense and seems like a fair compromise.
I agree with the sentiment that as a society, we can each make our own choices.
I agree with this, too. (Good post overall.) But it appears that buttmunch (Bigscotto68) is going to make his choices, period.
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The above is why the virus spread so quickly in the US in the first place. I'm not saying that we shouldn't start to open the country back up again, we need the economic engine rolling. However, this is entertainment...
It's not just entertainment.
The sports industry is a several trillion dollar industry that literally employs millions of people. It's not just the employees at the stadiums, ticket sales, front offices and athletic departments and others directly employed by the teams or programs. Think downstream: There are vendors that sell at the stadiums. Those vendors employ people. Those vendors also buy their products from other companies that employ people. Another example: Bars and restaurants that cater to sports crowds employ waiters and staff and cleaning crews. But also, those bars purchase peanuts and beer from companies that, yes, employ people. And hire plumbers to fix toilets, and electricians to fix their lighting. Then there is the merchandising. Whole companies exist to sell sport-related merchandise and those companies employ people, buy their products and parts from companies that employ people and have day to day needs (that plumber and electrician again) that employ people. And, of course, those companies ship their good with UPS or FedEx which, you guessed it, employ people.
Then there is another aspect of sports that is harder to quantify. Society. Sports brings people together and creates memories that last a lifetime, bond parents and children and generally bring emotional connection. One of the greatest unspoken consequences of the social distancing (worsened by the extreme lock downs being employed in some states) is that the loss of society is going to leave a massive mental health crisis.
So no, sports are not JUST entertainment.
Agree with much of your comment but sports are not a trillion dollar industry and employment is not in the millions. All spectator sports in the US are probably below $100 billion as a segment. Which is something, but trillion dollar industries are crucial large scale core elements of the economy like real estate, retail trade, health care, financial services, manufacturing etc. Spectator sports aren't in that ballpark at all in terms of either GDP or employment.
Yeah! You can avoid/beat a virus by being a manly man and not being scared by some microscopic bits of fat and nucleic acid. Only pussies get sick, and if you're taking precautions you're a total wuss.
Actually stats say woman do better than manly men.
Your freedom to endanger yourself stops where it intersects with someone else's freedom not to.
One could also argue your freedom to live your life isn't suspended because of someone else's fear.
But freedom isn't absolute. You need a license to drive a car, for example. What we don't yet know is how to handle things like pandemics. We may have to make a societal trade-off between freedom and safety. Seems hard to get right, that's for sure.
That's valid, however I would say that it's equally unfair to miscategorize someone's legitimate concerns about their's and their loved one's (as well as the general pubic's) health as irrational fear.
Absolutely will go, if someone is scared just stay home its really simple. Don't need a fascist Governor preaching to me.
Ooga!
Can you define fascism without looking in a dictionary? [1]
1: Not intended as an endorsement of all the governor's actions ...
"Don't need a fascist Governor preaching to me."
LOL You wouldn't recognize a real fascist if Mussolini walked up and kicked you in the nuts.
We are getting closer to fascism from the far left politicians. Yes, we're not there yet but this is how it starts. Don't fall asleep at the wheel.
You must not have noticed those on the right trying to suppress voting. Or the nationalisim on the right.
You certainly are "blue in dc". How about the lefts' repeated fraud in voting results? How come the dems often find boxes of votes not counted?
We can play tit for tat on this and you can have the final word if you want but the left allowing inmates and illegals voting is beyond me.
Got any evidence for voter fraud claims? Please link to evidence that more votes for Democrats are appearing mysteriously.
Also, why would being an inmate remove your citizenship? The idea that someone in jail/prison is somehow less human or American is a disgusting trend, especially when many of them are only there for nonviolent drug offenses.
Any reason why someone that's "paid their debt to society" shouldn't be able to vote immediately?
Didn't we fight a war over "no taxation without representation?"
Not to mention, terming people as "illegals" is disgusting and dehumanizing.
How about mail out ballots in Nevada being sent to anyone regardless of voting history and sitting in the open. If you believe voting corruption is impossible...lolz.
this is a joke perpetrated by the right.
read this for some info:
remember POTUS's famous commission to figure this out?
come on.
For Blue_by_U...Thank you for backing me up! There is too much fraud when there is no voter ID. We have it for a driver's license. I hate getting into a pissing match with some of these people. This topic was supposed to be about going to a U of M game at the Big House, something in which we all are fans of and united about.
Proof of widespread voter fraud plz. I'll wait.
No problem MRunner73 #goblue #gotrack. Sorry if the Dems want to insist Russian collusion and rigged ballots...you either believe it possible or you don't...kind of like a pop-up polling place in Cali in a notorious dem-centric area...It's always difficult for any opposition to accept any possibility of wrongdoing, dems or GOP for that matter. I'm more than anxious to see live sports, at UM without a doubt.
Exactly. Prison *is* the punishment. But we as a society like to pile on. Because we see criminals (the ones we don't like, at least) as less than human.
"Fascism from the far left."
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
The principals of fascism are the very definition of far right on the imaginary political spectrum. Hilter and Mussolini weren't liberals, buddy.
If you insist on using a derogatory and sensationalist term, just about anything fits the bill better than that. Use communist or socialist instead.
The "fascist" is following the advice of literally all health organizations, which know a lot more about epidemics than you do. If you carry the virus, you'll get others sick. Why the fuck do you find it so hard to think of others. Selfish prick.
Stay home...no worries.
Debating the same question. Been season ticket holder since 1978 and have been to 20 or so bowl games and many road games. I also think the tailgates are a concern as well. We have a 40' Motor Home and everyone is invited inside and it does get crowded during the later games. Tough call to make. A lot can happen between now and the season.
My dad has been a season ticket holder since long before I was born, and he has already decided he's not going. He admits that it will be different and he'll miss it, but he'd rather wait a year and go when he doesn't have to worry about it. That said I doubt fans are going to be allowed anyway.
In all seriousness would he go if he gets sick with covid this summer and obviously recovers?
Wonder if that will be a game changer for some. I know your not 100 pct in the clear but seems likely.
In a weird way it's the one positive that would come with getting it.
I'm gonna guess no.
Also disclaimer from a healthcare worker here: there is no definitive proof that you are immune from COVID if you had previously contracted it and recovered. There simply hasn't been enough testing/research as of yet.
Definitive no but very unlikely you'll get it again for a while. We better hope there is some immunity or this going be way worse
Yes.
Yes, if there are fans in the stand, I will be there. My wife and I usually take our kids (8 and 12) to AA for one game a year (from NY). To support the school and its athletic department, I am planning on coming out for at least 2 games, if they are allowing live attendance.
No, I am not a COVID-denier. But, looking at the stats and information, I view the risk of fatality to my family (early 40s and both in good shape) at not much more than the flu. I would admittedly feel differently if I were obese, over 60, had hypertension or some other immune condition or lived with older relatives.
No, it is not worth the risk to myself, family or patients. I really love football, but I just couldn't do it.
Same here. For my family alone, I wouldn't go. I also don't want to increase my risk of being a mindless spreader for my research team, as that would cause more damaging delays for what we regard as noble work (structure-based drug design).
I wish it were possible to break this thread down by responses from healthcare providers and scientists versus everyone else.
Ehh who am I kidding, I probably would. I know there are dangers in going, but I'd need the distraction. Hell, we all need the distraction.