CFB Rankings question re: Arizona/Oregon

Submitted by ADSellers on
So after unranked Arizona dropped #2 Oregon at Autzen last night, will Arizona pass Oregon in the rankings? If not, how is that even remotely justifiable?

Also, the AP and Coaches poll voters were clearly wrong to keep Zona unranked this far into the season (Zona has proven that), yet their error will keep Zona from being ranked appropriately since preseason rankings are such a huge factor in the ranking system. When the selection committee releases their first seeding of the top 4 teams 3 weeks from now, is this the type of nonsense they should ignore? If the polls still have Oregon in or close to the top 4, and Zona is ranked lower than Oregon, would it be controversial for the committee to ignore the pull of the preseason rankings and deem Zona more worthy of a playoff spot?

GoWings2008

October 3rd, 2014 at 8:40 AM ^

The voters will still see that Oregon is a good team that got caught on a night they didn't have their best stuff, plus the stupid penalty.  Arizona will most likely be ranked, but not higher than Oregon...imho.

Gulogulo37

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^

Everyone's going to remember the penalty on Oregon, but Arizona suffered one just as bad, so I think it was even. After a failed 3rd down, Arizona got a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct that looked like total BS. The announcers made the point that you can't hear what he said, but I don't remember the ref being that close to them either. Arizona totally deserved the win.

A State Fan

October 3rd, 2014 at 8:50 AM ^

I'm pretty sure MSU wasn't ranked until they were 7-1 last year. Arizona will probably be top 20 next Monday. They probably can't afford a loss though, as I think late losses will stick in the committee member's minds as they decide.

groovyJABRONI

October 3rd, 2014 at 8:53 AM ^

A South Carolina and Georgia scenario. I believe SC was ranked 23 and Georgia was 6. When SC came off with the upset SC and Georgia were ranked 13 and 14 respectively. Now being that Oregon is 2 and Arizona was unranked (even though they received the most receiving votes) I could see maybe Oregon jumping back to the border on the top ten with Arizona following them. I guess it all depends on how everyone else plays in between those two. What is really interesting is being that MSU lost to Oregon, if MSU can win at Nebraska, do you put Oregon behind MSU if nobody else in the top ten loses??

NittanyFan

October 3rd, 2014 at 8:55 AM ^

We've all come to expect a lack of logic in the weekly writers and coaches polls (Virginia Tech was rated behind Ohio State immediately after VT's win in Columbus).

 

But there's no way --- based on results as of this very moment --- that a logical ordering can justify Oregon ahead of Arizona (by extension, Michigan State ahead of Arizona either).  I'd nearly guarantee the coach and writers polls will have them Oregon, MSU, Arizona ... hopefully the committee is smarter.

hazardc

October 3rd, 2014 at 8:57 AM ^

UH BULLSHIT

 

Oregon got "caught on a night?"   What the fuck are you smoking? THEY LOST LAST YEAR TO ARIZONA WITH A WAY WIDER POINT GAP!!!!

 

 

Maybe RichRod just has them figured out, like Tressel to Michigan. 

 

Mr Miggle

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:36 AM ^

Maybe they overlooked Arizona last season after beating them 49-0 in 2012. Overlooking an opponent after getting smoked the last time, their worst loss in years, would reflect a level of arrogance beyond what ND and Michigan are accused of having. A more likely explanation is that Oregon can't figure out how to stop RR's offense.

GoWings2008

October 3rd, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^

And the way RRod runs an offense, I'm sure they have the quick strike capability and scoring points for them shouldn't be a problem.  But, Zona was ranked 75th in the country in scoring defense, true to RRod form...allowing 26.6 points per game.  Oregon, averaging over 42 pts per game, had their average cut in half last night.  I'd say that's a big upset at home against a team not known for their defense. 

woodfeld

October 3rd, 2014 at 10:32 AM ^

Oregon had a bye week last week, so they had 12 days to prepare for this game.

I think the OL injuries had an effect, but as many have said, I don't Oregon's D is good and that certainly wasn't effected by OL injuries.

LSAClassOf2000

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:00 AM ^

At least if you're like me and pay attention to the Sagarin ratings and other predictors, it will be interesting to see there how much Oregon falls versus any rise Arizona sees when the data rolls over on Monday. Right now, for example, Oregon's overall Sagarin rating is 93.32, which is 3rd overall, and Arizona is 34th at 78.25. Both of these relative positions were close to their overal AP rank too, within a few spots if the list were comprehensive anyway. 

remdog

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:04 AM ^

to keep Zona unranked so far.  Before this game, Zona had beaten up on some creampuffs, barely squeaked by a crappy UTSA team and required an unbelievable miracle comeback to beat a not exactly great Cal team.

But yes, in all fairness, they now deserve to be ranked above Oregon.  But polls are not fair or logical so who knows what will happen.  It will be hilarious if Oregon is ranked above them.

I still doubt Zona is for real.  I wouldn't be surprised if they lose a bunch of games to finish out the year.

Perkis-Size Me

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:08 AM ^

Further evidence that the big ten is just, from top to bottom, NOT THAT GOOD. At least not nationally. Our conference's supposed best team got beaten pretty thoroughly at Oregon, and now Arizona, a supposedly middling Pac-12 team, goes in there and beats Oregon two years in a row.

Oregon had a close call or two already this year. They weren't caught on a bad night or necessarily looking ahead. Their defense just isn't that good, and their offensive line isn't either. They're likely going to get exposed by Stanford (again) and maybe UCLA as well. I'm happy for RichRod, especially with all the crap he had to take while he was here. I still believe he was a failure here and it never would've worked out, due in small part to our fickle and intolerable fanbase, but he seems to finally be hitting his stride again. His players undoubtedly love him, and he's likely got an administration and fanbase in Arizona that are supporting him rather than trying to run his ass out of town before he can even set up shop.

Hope he can run the table.


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funkywolve

October 3rd, 2014 at 11:56 AM ^

Oregon's oline is in shambles due to injuries.  4 of their starters are out.  They lost their best defensive lineman last night in the first half.  The guy was a dend and the announcers were commenting on how Arizona was attacking his back up in the second half with their playcalls.

Using the transitive property in sports is hard because there are so many different variables to each game.

Did you watch the MSU-Oregon game?  MSU was winning at halftime and only trailing by 5 heading into the 4th quarter.  I wouldn't consider that getting beaten thoroughly.

BigBlue02

October 3rd, 2014 at 1:25 PM ^

The MSU game was close because they played well in the 2nd quarter. They got outplayed in the other 3 quarters, and especially in the 2nd half. That game was as close as a 3 score game can be, but the still lost by nearly 3 touchdowns. Injuries are part of the game. I'm pretty sure Arizona was down some starters as well. And they did all of this with a freshmen at QB and a freshmen at RB. I think it is safe to say Arizona would be competing with Nebraska, Wisky, and MSU for a rose bowl berth. My personal opinion: they are better than any team in the B10 and it isn't close.

UMWolves

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^

Don't matter to committee (supposedly).  It's been nice to not have all the ranking discussion going on like we usually have.  Oct 28 is the first ranking that's going to matter.  We'll see what the committee comes out with.

Alton

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:16 AM ^

The good thing is that the only playoff committee poll that counts will be the one after the end of the regular season.  I have complete confidence that any team in a Big 4 conference (i.e., ACC, SEC, B12, P12) that ends up undefeated will make the playoffs.  So Arizona doesn't need to do anything other than keep winning, and they will get in ahead of Oregon.

The only real controversy in the playoffs will be who gets in once the undefeated Big 4 teams get in.  I suppose an undefeated B1G team would be the next priority, or maybe a 1-loss SEC team.  If we still haven't reached 4 teams at that point, it will be interesting to see what happens next.  I would think a 1-loss P12 team would probably get that last playoff spot.

SalvatoreQuattro

October 3rd, 2014 at 10:10 AM ^

Why do people assume that I am defending Hoke when critiquing RR? I'm not. There is no defending Hoke. He is an awful coach and I hated the hire--a fact that can discovered if people go back and look at the announcement on this very site.

 

Noting that a defense isn't very good when the facts point that out should not be controversial. But for  you RR sypcohants it is. Go figure.

 

SECcashnassadvantage

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:30 AM ^

If they played 10 times Oregon would win 9. With the lines even would you put your money on Arizona if they played the next 10 weeks? I would put my money on Oregon all 10 times home or away.

ADSellers

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:36 AM ^

Well they've played twice in the past 11 months and Arizona won both meetings. And you can't make the argument that Zona snuck up on Oregon after the way Oregon got embarassed by Zona last year.

ADSellers

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:41 AM ^

Also, part of college football is winningbwhen it counts. Youre supposed to be rewarded for doing so, not second guessed that you would lose a multi-game series.

westwardwolverine

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:37 AM ^

Oregon will still finish with a better record than Arizona. Arizona will lose 3-4 games, because they don't have a great amount of talent. But that was a big win last night. 

MI Expat NY

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:48 AM ^

I think he's saying that Arizona has a bitch of a schedule.  Splitting USC and UCLA would be an accomplishment and then they still have matchups with Washington St., Washington, Utah and Arizona St., any one of which could trip up a good team.  

m1817

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:38 AM ^

Don't worry about the in season polls.  They are there to sell newspapers and garner clicks for Internet sites.  The rankings will sort themselves out after the teams complete their season.  As the saying goes, "it's not how you start, it's where you finish".  

Eye of the Tiger

October 3rd, 2014 at 9:44 AM ^

Football is a game of matchups, and RR/Casteel do seem to have Helfrich's team figured out.

Whether that's all it is, or whether it's the start of something bigger...well, we'll find out after they play USC and UCLA over the next 3 weeks. Both of those teams have question marks, but they are both ranked (i.e. quality) and play very different brands of football from Oregon.

 

 

MGolem

October 3rd, 2014 at 10:00 AM ^

That Oregon's offensive line is a mess. We as Michigan fans know very well what happens when a quarterback if forced to run for his life. That said, Oregon's defense looked incapable of stopping Rich Rod's offense. That seems like something Phil Knight and his deep pockets would attempt to fix since it is a weekness year after year.