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11/05/2018 - 1:13pm I get wanting to rub people…

I get wanting to rub people's noses in it if you're one who never stopped believing. But I don't think it's fair to trash people for their reactions in the immediate aftermath of the ND loss, because it was exactly what a lot of people had come to expect: sure this team will beat the SMUs of the world, but a road game against a team with a pulse can be written off. I'm thrilled about this season and the main reason for that is even if Michigan was on track for 8-4 right now I wouldn't want Harbaugh fired because I remember what happened last time Michigan fans simply wanted the coach fired, successor be damned, and the resulting RR/Hoke tailspin. Barring galactic craziness I think this job is safely Jim's until he doesn't want it anymore, thanks to this season.

11/04/2018 - 12:55pm I hope so. Already seeing…

I hope so. Already seeing plenty of "The Big Ten's down this year, only reason Michigan's winning" from State fans. So you're telling us if the Big Ten were "up" you'd be going 3-9 again?

10/30/2018 - 5:04pm Sparty fans have been all…

Sparty fans have been all over this talking point, too. But in their case they think they're "getting us back" for all the times we allegedly said it. I don't recall any Michigan fan taking anything away from the 2013-14 MSU teams who were legit. But yes I definitely said they were helped, somewhat, by a down conference in 2010-11.

09/09/2018 - 4:50pm Coaches' Poll is always dumb…

Coaches' Poll is always dumb early in the season. Michigan and Southern Cal...

- both trucked similarly bad teams at home (though Michigan did by twice as many points)

- both lost road games to very good teams (though Michigan did by half as many points)

- Michigan's loss was last week. USC's was yesterday

Now you can say I'm nitpicking, they're one spot higher. Yes. But that still indicates more coaches voted for USC over Michigan than vice-versa, and, based on available data, I don't know how you could do that.

EDIT: I'll grant ND's performance against Ball yesterday was unhelpful

09/03/2018 - 8:05pm Minor quibble, but it's…

Minor quibble, but it's actually Meyer he's been OK against. He was 0-4 against Tressel (two losses each at Cincy and MSU) before getting the benefit of having him off the schedule in 2009 and 2010.

09/03/2018 - 6:53pm Well, minus the ownership of…

Well, minus the ownership of Michigan State...

09/02/2018 - 11:43am Yeah, it's so not-patient to…

Yeah, it's so not-patient to expect some kind of improvement in the team's weakest areas, in the fourth season.

09/02/2018 - 11:21am I refused to post on this…

I refused to post on this last night because I was drinking but the thoughts are clear now...I don't want Jim Harbaugh fired because whomever they get to replace him would only be another Rich Rod/Brady Hoke disaster for the program, and I'll happily take late-era Lloyd Carr mediocrity over that any day.

And I'm not going to stop watching Michigan football, I'm not a bandwagon jumper. But I think my time of getting emotionally invested is at an end. I don't know what the fuck you did at Stanford and San Fran but it's clearly not with you anymore. Fourth season and still the same shit, no offensive line, a QB in which your conservative play-calling clearly reflects your lack of confidence, and a defense that looks fearsome until 3rd and long comes. Oh and a guaranteed loss in any road game against any team with a pulse. I'll be watching every game of your 7-5 or 6-6 season, but I think the days of making sure I'm wearing a Michigan shirt and hat every time might be done.

05/22/2018 - 11:40am TL;DR, I'm always suspicious

TL;DR, I'm always suspicious of anyone who joins within days of a Michigan-MSU game, has negative points, and whose posts fit the cherished EL stereotype of over-the-top, bombastic Michigan fans like a glove. 

05/22/2018 - 10:45am 90% of this thread is bashing

90% of this thread is bashing this ranking as ridiculously optimistic, Spart. I know it's upsetting, but no one here or at Schembechler Hall can really control what some click-desperate publication says.

04/02/2018 - 9:48am Yeah, it's too bad it gets

Yeah, it's too bad it gets like that at times. Never something I'll consider fun but apparently some people do. The Michigan-Ohio State rivalry may not always be one of mutual respect but at least it's not Michigan-MSU. Win or lose against Michigan, OSU fans go home proud of their team and happy that they've chosen it. Michigan State fans, on the other hand, can't handle seeing Michigan fans enjoy something without taking it as some kind of personal slight. It's truly bizarre.

04/02/2018 - 9:05am I work with a State fan who

I work with a State fan who *will not* let go of the Houston game. "Yep, thanks a lot for the greatest choke in history, Houston." Dude, seriously? A game in which both teams' largest lead was six points and there were, I don't know, probably close to 20 lead changes? What the hell was your win over Purdue that you wouldn't shut the fuck up about, then?

04/02/2018 - 8:54am Not really surprising. This

Not really surprising. This isn't football. Sure, plenty of OSU fans are pathological but most are just people who went to a school, or whose parents were a fan of said school's teams so that's how they ended up too. It's Michigan State fans who have reacted to this like...well, like Michigan State fans.

04/02/2018 - 8:42am I suspect most of the country

I suspect most of the country wants Michigan to lose. We're just one of those fanbases. Oh well, makes it more enjoyable if they win. If they don't, we'll take our lumps and life goes on.

02/25/2018 - 7:26pm Ah, that's what I get for

Ah, that's what I get for relying on Wikipedia.

02/25/2018 - 7:15pm Well, with Hollis on the

Well, with Hollis on the selection committee, we may have to wait a while to find out what happens when they play a good team.

After Michigan I'll be rooting for Villanova, in the hope that the number of coaches who have won multiple National Championships in the time "Mr March" has been head coach at MSU increases from five to six.

02/24/2018 - 4:38pm Man, the NCAA really wants

Man, the NCAA is really hoping MSU will lose by double digits to Michigan again, this time in the BTT.

02/05/2018 - 10:53am Speak for yourself. I was

Speak for yourself. I was always pro-Brady. Admittedly there are some caveats, I was in high school at the time. Didn't follow recruiting then so was truly unaware of the Henson hype train. Didn't have as developed a view of football so to me the idea of putting a freshman or sophomore in at QB over a veteran was crazy.

In any case I can sincerely say one of my proudest memories as a Michigan fan was watching Brady lead multiple comebacks against Alabama in the Orange Bowl in his final game.

I know many Michigan fans at the time wanted Henson over Brady. But as someone who supported him then even I can say the notion Michigan fans "hated" him is pure RCMB revisionism, much like most of them claiming to even know who Nick Foles was before two weeks ago.

01/14/2018 - 11:38pm In fairness to her, I don't

In fairness to her, I don't believe she was thinking about the big picture, i.e. how he runs his program and all that, I think she just meant how he is to people on a day-to-day basis. Izzo, on the other hand, is a jerk 99% of the time, she says.

01/14/2018 - 10:08pm Cool story bro and all that,

Cool story bro and all that, but I recently dated a girl whose mom worked for the athletic department at MSU, and was a Michigan fan. I gave my opinions on the two big MSU coaches and she was like, "Nope, you've got it completely backwards. Dantonio, for as dickish as he is toward Michigan and humorless as he comes off in general, is actually a really decent guy who will say hi and look you in the eye sincerely. Izzo is a complete fucking asshole."

01/13/2018 - 2:23pm I mean come on. I was having

I mean come on. I was having to see social media memes about being ranked #1. Not winning the National Championship - being ranked #1 for part of the season, a couple weeks. You guys were all but begging for it. GO BLUE!!!

01/07/2018 - 7:25pm If there's one thing he's probably

If there's one thing he's probably going beat Harbaugh at, I'd saying being even more disliked by media and other coaches is at least a possibility.

01/05/2018 - 1:24pm Well the thing we HAVE TO

Well the thing we HAVE TO remember is that Nassar attended UM, because where he was educated decades ago is somehow relevant to his recent crimes and the institution that may have covered them up, because reasons. And any failure by any outlet, to include prosecutors, to mention this constantly is proof of complicity with the BLUE WALL media.


01/03/2018 - 12:23pm Definitely been a nice little

Definitely been a nice little turnaround in the last 24 hours. Loss still sucks but gotta move on!

01/03/2018 - 12:13pm I remember getting excited

I remember getting excited once before, right after a bowl loss to South Carolina, in fact, about a guy deciding to stay for his fifth year. That player was Taylor Lewan, and 2013 was a colossal shitshow.

I have legit hopes for something better this time around. Those Who Stay, indeed, Chase!

01/02/2018 - 2:03pm Dude, just, no. You joined the

Dude, just, no. You joined the day of State's bowl game and every one of your few posts has been about MSU. Your fake Michigan fan concern troll schtick game is beyond horrific.

11/05/2017 - 11:36pm So...not having an

So...not having an opportunity next week to get something we've been failing to get for over two years means those two years didn't exist and so there's no point in even thinking about them?

11/05/2017 - 3:59pm Well, Iowa doesn't play

Well, Iowa doesn't play Michigan this year so Ferentz could save his one interesting game for Ohio State. Kinda like how Franklin has done the one thing that matters, beaten Michigan, so now can go back to shitting the bed.

11/05/2017 - 3:55pm I don't know. Iowa and MSU

I don't know. Iowa and MSU with the huge upsets were little more than yet another reminder we're 3/4 of the way through Harbaugh's third season and Michigan still doesn't have that signature win.

10/22/2017 - 9:47pm Absolutely, thank you. If

Absolutely, thank you. If last night had been the first loss of the season, even if by the same score, people would grumble but deal with it. Losing to Michigan State has put people in an unreasonable state. And I say this as someone who fucking hates losing to MSU. It's long been said that beating Ohio State is more enjoyable than beating Michigan State, but losing to MSU sucks far more, and it's completely true. OSU fans are mere mouth-breathing idiots, MSU fans are virulent douchebags with massive inferiority complexes. If you have to be around OSU fans after losing to them, they're going to rub it in your face but won't begrudge your fanhood as long as they won. When MSU wins, their fans act like Michigan fans don't have a right to exist. We thought the misery was going to be over and it's not, and people are pissed about it. I know it totally sucks, but we need to calm down. 

10/22/2017 - 4:22pm I am fine with the offense

I am fine with the offense sticking to what it's doing. This season is lost, and I imagine changing schemes in the dubious hope of beating Wisconsin or Ohio State is something Harbaugh views as a wasteful diversion and mortgage on the future development of this offense. However, in that same spirit, yes I think it's time to go to Peters. Give him three games against beatable opponents, with the easiest of them coming first, and see if he looks ready for Camp Randall and then the Bucks. 

I am not a fawning fanboy who thinks Harbaugh is some wizard, but I am certain he knows football and knows what he's doing. Trust him.

10/22/2017 - 2:09pm The hell, dude. It is with

The hell, dude. It is with some frequency I find opinions here that I don't like. I am sure I post opinions that other people don't like. They can downvote me. I can leave. It's pretty easy. Have you been to RCMB? That has to be in the Top 10 of the most cringe-worthy boards on the Internet. I don't wanna become that. People need to stop taking what goes on here so personally.

10/22/2017 - 1:38pm I am of the same mind that I

I am of the same mind that I am sick to death of hearing that this will be the last year of bad O-line play, something I feel like I've heard for a decade.

But at the same discussions with other fans, "fishtailing" has for some years now been the term I use to describe Michigan since the end of the Carr era. Carr --> RR meant a change in O-line philosophy. RR --> Hoke meant another. Then Hoke leaves Harbaugh a disaster at that position group. And that position group is typically the one that takes longest to develop. Have other coaches at other programs built it faster? Yes. But, at the risk of sounding cliched, they ARE the exception and not the rule. I'm not for laying the blame at any one (or two) person's door, but Carr not having one viable successor in his coaching tree and Bill Martin's shrugging non-answer to that situation ARE still indirectly hurting this program. No, they are not responsible for the product on the field, but the era of instability that enabled it started with them.

10/22/2017 - 1:06pm You continue to sound like

You continue to sound like the MSU fan you are.

10/22/2017 - 1:01pm Unsurprising with that

Unsurprising with that avatar. Yeah it's an Ohio State fan but first and foremost it's a child predator.

10/22/2017 - 12:47pm Ohio State all day. They

Ohio State all day. They already are what they are. The fanbase who think THEY were the ultimate victims of children getting raped in showers can roast in hell for all time. Also, Ohio State IS the best team and the best team needs to win out, because MSU fans now think they're a possible playoff team, and they just might be one Mark Dantonio Trademark Rabbit's Foot Event away from that actually materializing.

10/18/2017 - 9:42pm Penn State is 3-12 against

Penn State is 3-12 against non-RR/Hoke Michigan coaches. Let's keep that record lousy this weekend.

Well, it'll still be lousy, win or lose, so let's make it lousier.

10/17/2017 - 5:18pm Hey you may have to root for

Hey you may have to root for Michigan in that game, could get your Spartans to Indy.

10/17/2017 - 2:30pm I guess I don't see why this

I guess I don't see why this is getting negged. Is it wrong? Yeah there have been some fun games and great memories but really, where is even just one signature win, preferably against a rival, that leads to, or caps off, a "special" season?* It's been a long time, folks, I don't see the harm in acknowledging it.

*Before you say UTL I leading to the Sugar Bowl season, that team lost handily to MSU, shit the bed at Iowa, reversed the OSU misery only against their worst offering in years, and were lucky to win their bowl. If that's our bar, yikes.

10/07/2017 - 8:49am Taking advantage of the late

Taking advantage of the late start to get a lot done today, heading out on a 15-mile hike shortly. Can't wait to come home and watch the recording of College GameDay. Which will they eye-rollingly show more times, Michael Hart or Blake O'Neill? At this point I honestly couldn't care less about the latter. It was a play, it happened. In my nearly 30 years as a Michigan fan there has been no shortage of moments ESPN loves and I'll have to see replayed for the rest of my life - Colorado '94, Appalachian State, the Clowney hit - this is just another. And I hope Jim goes to 2-1 against State today so their mouth-breather fans can look increasingly ridiculous continuing to dine out on it. 

But fucking hell it would be great if just one goddamn time an outlet could try real journalism and show the full context of the 2007 exchange - the "Moment of Silence" comment that led to the post-game kneel at midfield, the State players using the term "Little Brother" before Hart ever did - instead of the lazy sound bite bullshit that makes the 51 year-old millionaire coach getting down in the dirt with a college kid out to be the victim. 

10/03/2017 - 3:49pm I think the thing I'm getting

I think the thing I'm getting most tired of is their fans trashing Harbaugh, already dismissing him as "Third Place Jim" after two seasons. LOL guys. Dantonio hadn't done shit by this point in his tenure. Harbaugh is 24-6 (14-4 Big Ten) after 30 games, five of those losses were by a TD or less, four of them were by nine total points. Dantonio was 17-13 (9-8) at the same point and had just lost to CMU. And whether Michigan wins the Big Ten this year or not, his record after three seasons won't be as bad as Dantonio's even if he lost every remaining game. He'd have to go back in time and lose games he won for that to happen. The 0-4 start in bowls already can't be matched either. I really hope this game plays out like it should and they get dropped to one miracle and two losses vs Harbaugh, so they can finally shut their damn mouths. For a few days, anyway.

"Oh, but Harbaugh was so much more hyped than Dantonio, you can't compare that!"

I'm sorry the media took an interest in a guy a year removed from his third straight conference championship game, two years removed from a Super Bowl, leaving the NFL to go back to coaching college, because you're right, that happens so often. Obviously a typical media conspiracy to prop up Michigan.

10/02/2017 - 11:25pm This. Not anything Harbaugh

This. Not anything Harbaugh can do about the fact that Hoke took six O-linemen in '13 and ONE is still with the program as a fifth-year senior. Then Hoke had to compensate for the huge classes he took in '12 and '13 with a small class in '14, which included only two OL. Then '15 was a transition class. I know it sucks but this is something that can't be fixed overnight and people are just going to have to wait.

10/01/2017 - 8:13pm For how much they love to rip

For how much they love to rip us for "September Heismans," they sure are having quite the fappening over Lewerke. Not saying the guy doesn't have some tools and won't end up being pretty decent, but he's 3-3 as a starter with the three wins coming against two MAC teams and "meh" Iowa. To hear them talk, neither Speight nor O'Korn even belong on the same field as this surefire All-Big Ten QB. 

09/28/2017 - 8:10am Hoke took over a team that

Hoke took over a team that had some senior pieces in place on D if anyone could coach them, and Denard Robinson. Harbaugh took over a team that certainly did have a defense ready to break out, but also years of horrendous O-line play and nothing apparent at QB.

Not to mention Hoke took over a team that was trending up (yeah, a lot of people say the two-wins-per-year improvement under RR was a mirage, but I think it's obvious 11-2 had more to do with the existing team than Hoke's coaching), which matters to the psyche of the players. Harbaugh took over a team that, while it had some guys, was unmistakeably on the decline and had to feel pretty beaten down after 5-7. 

09/26/2017 - 12:40am Yup, and it got shoved right

Yup, and it got shoved right up his ass, it was great.

09/26/2017 - 12:37am Well, look at his username

Well, look at his username and avatar. He knows what it's like to get a painful reality check.

09/26/2017 - 12:20am State fans already going

State fans already going apeshit with DISRESPEKT. Guys, how much better do you think you are than Purdue? Because Michigan just beat them by 18 at their place, so is this that unreasonable?

09/17/2017 - 1:29pm This is deserved. Michigan

This is deserved. Michigan now has two shaky wins over "meh" opponents. They don't look like a Top 10 team to me but I'm also not sure at this point who behind them is really better. Defense may be Top 3 but I can't suppress the feeling that OL/QB play will cost this team a game soon, possibly even one of the next three. And almost certainly one of the back six.

09/13/2017 - 2:39pm For Christ's sake, end the

For Christ's sake, end the schtick. Fans of all teams make fun of other fans based on things one guy posts, which may or may not be trolling. Your desperate need to make ignorant mockery out to be something unique to Michigan fans reeks of East Lansing insecurity.

09/13/2017 - 2:15pm Hmm, interesting that was

Hmm, interesting that was downvoted. I wonder why.

But other people are the "snowflakes", though.