Another defector from OSU basketball
Luther Muhammed has announced he's entering the portal. Things are getting weird in Columbus, and one might start to wonder if Holtman is on the hot seat..? I believe he only makes $3m a year, and his dream job is not opening up anytime soon (KY). At first it just seemed like he was stacking the program full of "his guys", but now even they are leaving.
Matta's entire freshman class (5) his last season in Columbus all transferred, which is why Dakich got minutes. 2 of Holtman's freshman from the 18 class left. 2 of the 3 ( All top 50 recruits) in 19 have now left. Which makes you wonder if there is not more to the DJ Carton story...
For what it's worth the OSU boards are saying it's because he's west coast home sick, and the kid in front of him jallow is the starter.
Even with Seth Towns, they are 3-4 guys below the max with Wesson expected to be going regardless of his grade from NBA.
Cheers
Let's see how many "That's a shame" gifs this thread can get...
You hate to see it
I think you mean East Coast since Luther is from NJ. They do seem to have unusual amount of transfers though.
He's from West New Jersey.
Muhammad's from NJ so it'd be east coast sick, not west coast.
Also I doubt Jallow had any impact on the transfer, despite what OSU fans may be saying. Muhammad has started 56/64 games since coming to Columbus. Jallow has 23 including 13 in 2018-2019 as a sophomore while Muhammad started 28 that same year as a freshman. Muhammad was the teams best perimeter defender and scored 7 PPG + both years while Jallow has yet to crack 3 PPG. Muhammad is also a 2 while Jallow is a 3 who will now have to play the 2 more. So the idea that Jallow was going to overtake Muhammad after missing a year due to injury is just wrong. Expect OSU to go after a transfer guard since they have 2 guards on their roster right now.
This off-season has been rough to OSU. In early January in a loss @ Maryland, OSU started both Wessons, Muhammad and Carton. All 4 are now gone, and only one of those 4 (Andre Wesson) was out of eligibility. Plus they lost a top 50 recruit freshman in Gaffney.
Reading this warms my heart.
As long as Ohio State doesn't get any more quality grad transfers, Holtmann is probably looking at a shit sandwich of a season in 2021 (assuming it even happens).
And I'm not convinced Seth Towns is a big get. His value has increased substantially in light of the many departures but he didn't exactly light it up in the Ivy Leagues as an efficient scorer. 16 ppg on 41% shooting is...uh...not good. The competition will be much tougher in a high major conference. I realize he shot well from 3 (44%) but we'll see if he can maintain that percentage.
I'm not convinced Sueing or Towns are legit either and OSU is banking on both being major contributors. Sueing averaged 14 per game on an ATROCIOUS Cal team that won 16 TOTAL games and 5 TOTAL conference games in Sueing's two years there. Seth Towns was a pretty good shooter, but besides that was pretty underwhelming and that was before he missed two years with knee injuries. I have doubts about either or both of them keeping those numbers up against B1G competition
To think this shitty team beat Michigan twice this year.
This year’s team wasn’t shitty. This affects next year’s team. Try to keep up
April 21st, 2020 at 12:21 PM ^
Next years team is going to be shitty too.
Wonder how they'll do in the 2020 season, too.
OSU has Walker, Washington, and Ahrens. So that's 3 guards. But Walker is their only true PG
Ahrens is a F. He's 6'5 so functionally can play the 2 or 3, but his recruiting profile listed him as a SF and OSU lists him as a F. Also in terms of play style he's a shooter who doesn't really handle the ball. He'll play the 2 for OSU next year out of necessity but he's not a guard.
The OSU fans on r/CollegeBasketball are poo-pooing Gaffney's departure. He was a top 50 guy and borderline 5 star at one point, having him leave is a pretty big loss despite him not doing much his freshman year. And if they couldn't develop him or he wasn't a culture fit, then that's a big recruiting miss for them
Only makes 3 million a year ..............
Three million just doesn't seem to stretch as far as it used to.
Using coupons is the key...
And how much you want to bet the semiconscious motherplucker who wrote that makes a fortieth or less than that? They got us well-trained, I'll tell ya.
What was the DJ Carton story? Missed that.
mental health, wasn't it?
Claimed it was mental health and some reports that he was stressed being on the big stage, but the schools he's considering don't exactly seem to remedy either of those things...
Can we not second guess kids who speak up about mental health issues, please? Question the logic in your own mind if you must, but maybe he just needed a change of scenery. Maybe he knew something wasn't right and was grasping at straws trying to explain it away. No need to call him out on anything.
Don't second guess and speculate, but here is some speculation. Could've left out the 2nd and 3rd sentences and better made your point.
But I agree with your larger message. Take the kid's word at face value and don't question it. Just some butt hurt osu fans calling him out.
Fair point. Wasn't attempting to claim those as what did happen, just trying to show there could be any number of possible explanations. Would have been better to just leave them out.
Good. F Ohio State.
Whatever hurts Ohio State is a good thing.
They're bringing in 2 transfers, one from Cal and one from Harvard, and basically betting everything on them being really good. Let's hope they pull a UNC and all their valued transfers are flops
This is like the UNC effect this past year. Brian commented several times that a team that relies on more than one transfer usually is going to struggle.
njvictor , towns plays right away.the other transfer, a PG from Bucknell has to sit a team.after 2 incoming freshman OSU would have 1 scholarship open. Again Holtman will coach this bunch into the tourney and 8th or best in the BIG.Hes nowhere near even a warm seat.the NeverHoltmans in our fanbase are just butthurt matta supporters. Their idiots.in his last year Matta not only lost a entire top 50 recruiting class but also lost @ home to a winless rutgers team.That wasn't enough for the Matta's I guess. Worst in-game coach ever @ OSU. He had 3 teams that should have won it all. I'll give him a pass on the Oden led team that lost to the defending champs of a senior laden UF team.I give him a pass on that loss, that UF team was one of the best ever in college basketball imo. Those 2 teams had the best top 5 players in the country between them.
But hasn't UM had a couple transfers this year? Luther Muhammad thinks he's more than he is.He transferred because Muhammad thought the offense should run through him like it did for Kaleb Wesson. They'll probably feature Duane Washington and EJ Liddel as the offensive swing player. The transfer portal definitely creates chaos.
As far as DJ Carton is concerned he played very well and easily had the most upside on the roster.something was going on in the locker room about the time DJ Carton started having problems.than washington and Muhammad both served 1 game suspensions coincidentally the same time washington injured his ribs,lol? My thoughts, 1 of them was sticking up for Carton and a fight broke out. Carton was passing up both sophmores as the star of the team. Neither handled it well. I thought Holtman did a unbelievable job after losing their best player Carton and the team rallied to finish tied for 5th in the BIG.
Is there some way to infect the football team with whatever ails their basketball team?
You would think they would catch it from Michigan when they play.
Our defensive backs have been practicing social distancing for years vs. OSU.
You win this thread.
he stole that line from me last week. i'll be filing a copyright infringement suit soon.
Sad, but true.
Just ask Metellis sp, he practiced with KJ Hill 3 years on y'alls favorite route, CROSSING ROUTES?
It really does like like Holtman is going to be gone in a year. He's not been a particularly great X's and O's guy these past couple of years, his teams have generally struggled as the year progressed, and now he's not keeping guys on campus.
Why do people think he's on the hot seat? He lost a few guys, but the team still finished 8th in KenPom. OSU would be stupid to can him anytime soon
20+ wins all 3 seasons at OSU.
2018 Big 10 COY.
His job is not at risk.
The idea that Holtman is on the the hot seat is wishful thinking from Michigan fans.
It's Holtmann, not Holtman.
I bet there will be a lot of extra transfers this year due to COVID-19. With schools getting shut down and an uncertainty as to when/if play will resume, players could sit out the transfer year when nobody plays anyway. On top of that there will probably be a desire amongst some kids to return closer to their families during this time of crisis.
While yes, it looks odd that OSU has had so many transfers, it’s possible this won’t look as odd in a few months.
If the internet is correct, family members are getting on each other’s nerves due to the stay at home policies. That would suggest that kids may want to get as far away as possible.
Not sure I'd read a ton into it. Beilein had a lot of attrition too with his early classes. Tony Bennett at Virginia as well. Holtmann seems to always have a decent team, regardless of talent or depth, so I doubt he's going anywhere soon.
Just double checked this myself. Unless I'm missing somebody, 0% of Beilein's 2009-2012 classes played their senior year at Michigan. Over 50% of his 2009-2011 classes non-grad transferred. I think Spike and Max Beifieldt were the only grad transfers.
Jordan Morgan (2009) is the only one you missed. A lot of early entrants in that stretch though, not all transfers.
Where are you getting "Over 50%" of Beilein's 2009-2011 classes non-grad transferred?
2009 - Darrius Morris (NBA early entry), Matt Vogrich (played out scholarship at UofM) Blake Mclimans (grad-transfer to Miami-OH), and Jordan Morgan (played out scholarship at UofM).
2010 - Evan Smotrytz (TRANSFER), Tim Hardaway (NBA early entry), and Jon Horford (grad-transfer to Florida)
2011 - Carlton Brundidge (TRANSFER), Trey Burke (NBA early entry), Max Bielfeldt (grad-transfer to Indiana),
So that's two signees out of 10 over Beilein's first three years that transferred out of Michigan before graduating.
I thought Vogrich transferred, and thought McLimans was a regular transfer. Totally missed J-Mo. I was doing it by "eyeball" and memory, so not surprised I missed a few.
LOL, and we both missed Colton Christian, who I believe was a scholarship athlete, but transferred after his sophomore year. He was so unmemorable that he's fallen out of (or never made it in) the 247 db.
Another one, sort of, Laval Lucas Perry transferred in to the program from Arizona, then was kicked off the team by Beilein after 2 years and transferred to Oakland.
Definitely a lot of attrition in those early Beilein years.
I actually think they will be fine. I'm a Butler grad and followed closely during Holtmann's time. His number one skill was being able to McGyver the roster into a bubble team or better every year. A perfect example is his final year at BU. They lost two historically good players (Roosevelt Jones and Kellen Dunham) and two major contributors. The team actually got better and ended up as a 4 seed and had their highest ever finish in the Big East.
He's also the type of coach that maximizes a teams best attributes and minimizes its worst ones. This is good in that his teams usually perform well, but it does take away from game to game preparation. At Butler, the teams would always find their level and then never punch too high above or below it.
I agree with your characterization of Holtmann - competent and, therefore, fields a perennial NCAAT team despite what he does or doesn't have.
So if the version of Ohio State we're seeing (20-21 wins) will be the norm from Ohio State, then I'm alright with Hotlmann as OSU basketball coach long term.
I actually expected OSU to do much better under Holtmann by now. And by much better, I mean 27+ win seasons. He's underperformed relative to my expectations in year 2 and 3. (He did surprise me in year 1with a 25 win season.)
And sure OSU swept us this season. (The refs were maddeningly inconsistent in game 1 and it screwed with both teams but us moreso because we were more finesse. In game 2 we just got beat in the final stretch.) But if Coach Howard maintains his recruiting a top the Big Ten, he will blow past everyone in the Big Ten over time (just like Ohio State football has done).