Utah Postgame Presser: Brady Hoke Comment Count

Adam Schnepp

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News bullets and other items:

  • Hoke thinks ball security is their biggest issue
  • The starting quarterback against Minnesota will be determined during the week via competing and challenging
  • Jourdan Lewis’ cross-field rundown that saved a touchdown was compared to a similar play Woody Hankins made in 1996 against Ohio State. The coaches show the team the Hankins play every season.

Opening remarks:

“Obviously very disappointed with the outcome of the game. I thought our kids came out very ready to play. I thought that they demonstrated that the first drive down the field and I think the defense, what they did early in the football game, was indicative of how they prepared, how they practiced, and how they got ready to play the game.

“I think obviously you have a punt return against you for a touchdown. Anything in the kicking game is momentum and we had some momentum and then we give up the touchdown on the punt return, which is very disappointing.

“You look at, from a standpoint of taking care of the football- you know, and we’ve talked a lot about that. Probably more than I would’ve liked to or you would like to talk about it but that’s one thing we’ve got to do a better job of and that’s constantly coached and we talk about it and sometimes those things happen and we’ve got to make sure we’re going back to work, working hard on it and we can’t have that happen through the Big Ten season.

“We talked as a team afterwards about what we need to do and I reminded them of the 1998 team, which was a team that went to Notre Dame- I was part of that team- and lost and then lost here at home against Syracuse and then went off and won the Big Ten or a part of the Big Ten championship. Those goals, our goals, are all out there. And I do believe we have a team that can do that. Now, you can’t play the way we did today and do that. We realize that. But we’ve got a bunch of guys in that locker room who every day work their tails off and are supportive and believe in each other.”

 

Brady, after a game like this when you pulled your quarterback and the score was what it was what do you see and why do you believe you can contend in the Big Ten this year?

“Yeah, and that’s a great question but I think the one thing I have that you don’t is I’m with this group of young men every day, these kids. I know how they go to work. There’s some things we did very well today. We did some things not as well as we needed to. And we’ve got to improve on that. We’ve got to go back to work. It starts with me as the head football coach. It starts with the assistants [and] everyone who’s in Schembechler Hall. We’ve got to do a better job for those kids.”

The incident on the sidelines with you and Greg Mattison right before or right after the penalty, was that a little loss of control there? What was that?

“Well, I’ve known Greg since 1984 and I can guarantee you that that wasn’t the first time two competitive men have had a- I wouldn’t even call it an argument.”

/smiles

“Did I finish that? Sounded like it. Discussion. You ought to see us play euchre. We really have discussions.”

[More after THE JUMP]

The turnovers in the second half obviously were a problem, but in the first half you only had one turnover at the end and still it seemed like finishing drives was the problem. Talk about the need to be able to finish drives.

“Yeah, there’s no question that that’s one thing- we start a drive, we have some success with it, we get a sack and so we’re behind the sticks again and you don’t like to play offense that way. We had a penalty that put us back, and so we’ve just got to finish those drives. First drive of the game, really the execution and what was going on was good but we settled for three points. Great kick by Matt [Wile], good to see it from him obviously but we want seven points, not three points.”

 

What’s the plan at quarterback at this point?

“I think, number one, it’s way too early for me to assess that until Doug and myself and we look at the tape and all that stuff. The one thing I can tell you is sometimes it’s good for a guy to come out and just watch and see what he can see from the sidelines and look at rotations of coverages maybe from that standpoint. There’s not going to be any answers to that tonight. We will compete and challenge like we have everyday and we will have a starting quarterback against Minnesota.”

 

In your two losses the team hasn’t reached the red zone. How much of an overhaul or how much change needs to happen with the offense?

“Say that one more time.”

In the two losses you guys haven’t reached the red zone with your offense. How much of a change, how much of an overhaul has to happen or are you kind of going with the plan you have at this point?

“Well, I don’t think there has to be an overhaul. I think our execution- you know, the little things that we need to do, and again that starts here, and we’ve got to do a better job of it. I have a lot of faith in those guys on the field.”

 

How tough is it to hear people complaining about the state of the program? In your estimation-

“You know what I don’t like? Those are 18 to 22 year olds. That’s what I don’t like. That’s fine, and I know they buy tickets and they’re more [than] welcome to do it but they’re 18 to 22. Yeah, they’re out there but they’re students. They’re student-athletes and believe me, they’re working their tails off. If they’re all for me [Ed: the boos], good. I don’t have a problem with that at all.”

 

Coach, can you talk about their first drive of the second half and some of the adjustments and what happened there?

“I wish I could tell you exactly what happened. We were very disappointed in that drive though. I mean, that’s not the way we wanted to start the second half. A couple under routes on third down. We didn’t execute as well as we needed to. I think the pace- I know on one play we just got set [and] we weren’t all the way where we needed to be. That drive bothers us and bothers me.”

And the big play in the first half, the passing play. Was that a lack of communication in the secondary?

“No. It wasn’t a lack of communication, we just didn’t execute.”

 

Brady, can you take us inside the locker room during the 2.5 hour delay? What did you guys talk about and what was your goal coming out with just seven minutes and change left in the game?

“Well, the goal is to win. And so that’s why we come back out. And to compete. In the locker room, I think sometimes- and we had the one a couple years ago against Western Michigan and I think we went back out and played and came back in so you have a little bit of an idea about it but this was a long one. We tried to- we fed the kids a little bit. They ate some stuff that’s good for them to eat so that they can go out and play. They relaxed. You know, they all have iPads these days so some of them relaxed, especially when we knew that it was going to be an hour and a half [or] two hours, and then we came together. We had a great plan for warm ups and what we did there and really they were excited to get back on the field.”

 

Brady, you mentioned little things that are kind of keeping this team from turning the corner. That’s been a consistent deal, the little things. Why can’t this team seem to find the inches there?

“Well, the only thing I can tell you is we’ve got to keep working at it. We’ve got to keep working at it.”

Is there any one area in particular there that…

“I think the ball security issues are probably our biggest issue when you look at it overall. The secondary- you know, Jourdan Lewis played his tail off today. May have played his best game and if you don’t write about the play he made to keep them out of the end zone then you don’t know anything about the game because that effort that he made from all the way across the field- I can remember Woody Hankins did that down at Ohio in 1996. Kept them to a field goal and that was a 13-9 game. We show that clip every year of a backside corner doing that and that’s what he did.”

 

Talk about the anticipation Willie Henry had on his pick and that play and the momentum it gave you.

“Well, Willie will tell you he probably diagnosed it but I think Willie popped out, did a nice job, got his hands up. Willie’s a pretty athletic 305-pounder. It was a good football play. I don’t know what else to say about it. He made a good football play and that’s what you talk about- if you’re not to the quarterback get your hand up and he got his hand up and did a nice job.”

 

And you mentioned Jourdan, but Jake [Ryan] also…

“Well, Jake, I don’t know the final statistics tackle-wise but he’s a football player. I think he’s adjusted well to playing inside linebacker.”

 

Brady, how much of a concern is the pass protection? It looked like they were able to get pressure quite a bit just rushing four.”

“You know, I thought our quarterback stepped up- sometimes on pass protection when the ends are going up the field sometimes you feel like, boy, they’re getting closer but there was a pocket in there the majority of the time. Not all the time. Obviously when you’ve got four sacks you’re not excited about it totally but I thought there was some good things in the protection and I thought Devin had a chance and Shane had a chance to step up.”

 

Brady, after the Notre Dame game you fully endorsed Devin Gardner. Are you saying now that the position is open, that it’s up for grabs?

“I don’t think I said that. I said we’ll have a quarterback for the Minnesota game and we’ll assess where we’re at right now and we’ll compete and challenge all week.”

But you had said then that Devin was your quarterback. You’re not saying that right now though.

“Well, I don’t always say the same things, do I?”

No, you don’t but Shane came in-

“We’ll see what happens. I think that’s the best way to put it.”

 

My other question is what is your level of concern with the offense right now?

“I’m concerned about everything that we’re doing. Do we want to be better offensively? Yeah, no question. Do we want to score points? That’s part of the game and what we want to do so am I concerned? We need to play better. We’ve got to make sure we execute better.”

Comments

DonAZ

September 21st, 2014 at 3:14 PM ^

"Hoke thinks ball security is their biggest issue"

Obviously, no turnovers is preferable to turnovers ... but that wasn't the problem in this game.

Michigan had four turnovers -- 3 interceptions and a fumble.

Here's the breakdown:

Interception -- 2nd quarter, 5:58, Utah 15 -- Utah 3 plays and INT

That was in essence an exchange of possessions.  Again, better to not throw the INT in the first place, but Michigan got it back 3 plays later.

No more turnovers until the 4th quarter.  At that point Michigan is down 23-10.

Then, in the fourth quarter:

Interception -- 4th quarter, 13:37, Michigan 47 -- Utah 6 plays and FG
Interception -- 4th quarter, 7:51, Michigan 32 -- Utah 4 plays and missed FG
Fumble -- 4th quarter, 4:30, Utah 44 -- Utah 6 plays and punt

Utah yields 3 points out of the first Michigan turnover, and no points after that.

One can argue that the three turnovers in the 4th quarter represented 21 points missed, but that assumes Michigan was destined to sustain the drives and score on each of those possessions ... something they were not able to do up to that point in the game.

So again, turnovers = bad ... but turnovers are not the story of this game.

The story of this game was Michigan's inability to sustain drives and capitalize on possessions in the first three quarters of the game.

MGoViso

September 21st, 2014 at 3:14 PM ^

By that same logic you could say punts that don't immediately lead to scores don't affect the outcome of the game. Turnovers create at least three issues: bad yardage exchanges (fumble then receive punt is like losing 50 yards), negative impact on playcalling (certain plays might feel too risky and the O locks up, or the team is under pressure and takes too many risks), and burnt time, increasing variance relative to talent (in a football game of 300 game-clock minutes, U-M may very likely beat Utah due to increased talent).And that's without going feelingsball and suggesting they hurt morale on both sides of the ball, which I also think is often true (not always; sometimes a D gets fired up to protect their O).

So again, turnovers = bad...and they are a big part of the story of this game.

DonAZ

September 21st, 2014 at 3:33 PM ^

Again ... one turnover through three quarters and Michigan down 23-10.  To Utah. At home. And 7 of those 10 points is from a defensive play.

I think there's a more fundamental issue.  That issue is an ineffective offense.  That's the point.

For Hoke to use "ball security" as a core reason for this game is to show Hoke is not being honest about the fundamental problems.  Had there been 3 turnovers in the first half ... then yeah, ball security is a problem.  But not with 1 and down 23-10 (really 23-3).

Oh, and remember -- the pre-game analysis suggested Utah didn't have a great defense.  So yet another reason to wonder about that 23-10 deficit through 3 quarters.

bighouse22

September 21st, 2014 at 6:21 PM ^

This is where Hoke is losing the fan base.  He is either clueless as your comments demonstrate or he thinks the fans are stupid and can't tell what is happening.  These press conferences make him come across and someone totally out of touch with the reality of what is happening on the field.  He picks the obvious stat sheet item for his talking points, but just like the ND game it doesn't hold up to closer scrutiny.

uncleFred

September 21st, 2014 at 3:23 PM ^

unless it is to praise the play of particular players. Period. He is also not going to get drawn into discussions of what he is going to do to fix a specific problem if doing so would involve criticizing individual players. Obviously this limits what he is willing to say.  I for one am fine with this. Hoke gives these press conference because he is contractually obligated to so do.

He's not clueless nor over his head nor incompetent. Consider the various write ups on plays, strategies, and tactics that the coaches here have provided. They have told us that all of that is basic stuff and that Hoke and his staff have a far deeper knowledge of football. If Hoke tells us that the team practiced well over the week they probably did. As someone else  mentioned there have been a few prior occasions where Hoke has indicated he was not happy with practice.

The defense is not bad and seems, at least to my untrained eye, to be getting better. The offense is a mess and while various pieces of analysis on this site and others indicate that it is making slow progress the offense has been unable to keep it together against competent defenses. Perhaps the reason that the defense is getting better is that they've been playing for the same defensive coaching staff for three previous years. Perhaps the reason that the offense is having such a struggle is that they've been playing in this offense for three prior games.

Clearly if the offense continues to struggle and play at the levels displayed vs ND and Utah the team is going to have a very hard time winning most of the remaining games. So the coaching staff has to find a way to translate whatever pleases them in practice to the games on Saturday. Hoke is certainly not going to give us specifics in a public forum how he plans to try to accomplish that. Hence we get vague comments about working harder and the coaches demanding more of themselves to help the players succeed. 

The last thing that the program needs at this point in the season is the chaos that firing the head coach would cause. If Hoke and his staff and this team can't find a way to win at least five or possibly six more games this season then he'll almost certainly be fired at season's end. Calling for his firing at this point is simply premature. Such a move at this time would devastate recruiting and any hope of the team improving. You'd also have most of the staff worrying about finding a new job instead of worrying about getting the team to improve. 

We're four games into the season in an entirely new offense. Yes things look real ugly but I am unwilling to declare the season lost with at least eight more games unplayed. Some people here like to talk about the team being "soft". From my point of view a lot of fans need to toughen up. 

 

Waves

September 21st, 2014 at 4:57 PM ^

Yes, the offense struggles because of the change in OCs. The O line may improve over the course of the season as they learn Nuss' scheme, but what won't change is that we have a spread style QB who is being forced to be a pro style pocket QB, a role which he clearly is not cut out for in either physical skills, temperament, or both. The rash decision to anoint him with the legacy #98 is mind boggling to me and shows a lack of clear headed thinking.

pescadero

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:40 PM ^

He's not clueless nor over his head nor incompetent. Consider the various write ups on plays, strategies, and tactics that the coaches here have provided. They have told us that all of that is basic stuff and that Hoke and his staff have a far deeper knowledge of football.

 

Hoke and his staff know way more about football than I do, and they're much better at coaching it and teaching it.

 

I know way more about Electrical Engineering than the man off the street.

 

Thing is - that DOESN'T MATTER.

The man off the street isn't our competition.

 

Hoke and his Staff don't need to have a better knowledge and coaching ability than a bunch of yahoos on a message board - they need to have a better knowledge and coaching ability than other coaches at top 20 programs.

 

...and it is pretty obvious that when compared to their peers they are incompetent.

 

 

 

 

turtleboy

September 21st, 2014 at 3:57 PM ^

At this point it doesn't matter what he says, his record is doing all the talking. Year1: 11-2, narrow BCS bowl win Year2: 8-5, 6-2 in B1G, narrow bowl loss Year3: 7-6, 3-5 in B1G, lopsided bowl loss. Year4: panic, run around in circles screaming.

rogerlavo

September 21st, 2014 at 4:17 PM ^

Agree with Motley Blue. Either the players should not be as highly touted as they have been, or the coaches simply are unable to teach them how to execute properly. And, considering it seems that none of the players are able to execute, I find it hard to believe that every one of them is incompetent. Think the coaching staff just can't coach them.

Sten Carlson

September 21st, 2014 at 4:49 PM ^

I don't think that NONE of the players are able to execute.  In fact, I see the defense executing at a pretty high level right now. 

There is one problem with Michigan's offense right now -- as much as it pains me to say it because I love the kid -- bit it's near complete incompetent QB play.  He's mechanics have regressed, he looks totally lost, and even his running ability looks totally different than it did when he came in 2012. 

PTSD?  Too many hits?  To me, there is something very wrong with DG, and all the coaching in the world isn't going to make him into anything resembling a competent QB.

M-Dog

September 21st, 2014 at 5:16 PM ^

He's got his own version of the yips.

What he needs to get out of it is not to just stand in the pocket and be a target drone.  He needs to play to his stregnths and get on the move where he can get in a comfortable rhythm.

I don't know if it will happen though.  That's not Nuss's game.  Say what you will about Borges, but he called a pretty good zone read spread game when put his mind to it and wasn't fucking around with other stuff.

 

Sten Carlson

September 21st, 2014 at 6:31 PM ^

Yips is right!

It seems he is capable of making one read, and he does it slowly and with near continual eye contact with the primary.  Then, when he should be checking down, he's sure he's out of time (understandable after last season) even when he's not.  Now his eyes come down, so does the ball, and then he starts to try to scramble.  Problem is, he's indecisive there too.  Where before he seemed fast, he now seems slow and can't seem to get the corner on anyone.  Further, his running style is weird now.  It's like he's anticipating contact and flinching before it comes.  Problem is, when contact does come, he's already on his heels and gets smacked and it all turns into a kind of cyclical thing.  He's also taking weird angles on his runs.  I see far less athletically gifted QB's run just fine. 

Add to that fact that his mechanics have totally regressed from last year and it leave me completely befuddled.  I thought that with the new OC and the state of the OL that things would be a bit tough, but that we could count on DG to get us over the hump.  Seems like he's as much of a liability as anything.  At least with Denard we would say, "sure he's likely to throw a pick, but he also can score on any snap."  Not so much with DG.  Nobody is going to respect anything deep, and they're just going to blitz him.  Maybe everyonce in a while he'll burn them, but he far more likely to take a sack, fumble, or throw an INT.

In all the game that Denard and Devin have played for Michigan, how many times have we seen either of them just throw the ball away?  I cannot remember more than a few, honestly.  In the Utah game he took off, had plenty of time to toss it away, tried to run, and took a short loss.  Now, it didn't hurt us, but it's just weird, totally mindnumbingly weird.

UMForLife

September 21st, 2014 at 4:47 PM ^

It is all on me. All the issues we had, lack of ball security, DG not able to read and react, OL not able to stop the sacks, stupid ST plays, all on me. I let Michigan down and the fans down. If the fans booed at my players, shame on you. Boo me. I am the one who let them down. Mattison was right. I f***Ing lost my mind. However, this is not over. I am a leader. I will take responsibility and make them better players. Come back and ask me at the end of the season. If we didn't improve, you can ask me why I am incompetent. I am laying my years of football knowledge and credibility on the line. I love this university, this town and I would do anything for them. I am pissed and I hate myself for what I put everybody through. However, I know we can get through this and win the championship. We are going to kick some ass and show everyone we are Michigan. Good bye and Go Blue! Brady walks away by picking up a chair and smashing it, with a headset. That would have made me happy. Not this presser. Sorry.

Kfojames

September 21st, 2014 at 5:03 PM ^

Something is just not right here. The players aren't playing and the coaches seem to not be coaching. Teams emulate their coach and they're a product of their environment. I just don't see Hoke as a guy that genuinely disposes losing. Saban, spurrier, harbaugh a hate to lose and they do whatever it takes to make sure their teams are prepared and play with a nasty chip on their shoulder! I don't get that vibe from Hoke. I like Hoke as a person from what I've seen but I feel he's too much of a nice guy. You gotta be a little bit of an ass if you want to get some where in this profession . So what the offense seems like they're struggling learning a new system. At some point you have to say this is where we are from a learning curve perspective and
You tell those guys to just get nasty and play with some passion and intensity and knock some people around. I hate to say it but I'd almost like to see some borderline illegal plays from the O lineman. Take some personal fouls and get nasty at least that shows you're alive and kicking for cripe sake!

uncleFred

September 21st, 2014 at 7:45 PM ^

and responding to effective coaching. That would be the half that are on the side of the ball that has had continuity of system, scheme (for the most part) and coaching. 

The part everyone is bitching about is on the side of the ball that has had coordinator changes, three radically different schemes in four years (this being the fourth which is only 1/3rd gone), and massive gaps in the roster. 

If you really want to follow a team that plays like a bunch of thugs may I suggest you consider MSU. That crap isn't going to he tolerated here nor encouraged by the coaching staff. Nor, in my opinion, should it be.

No one gets to be a head coach of any D-1 college program who doesn't mind losing. You can be certain that Hoke despises losing at least as much as anyone here and probably far more. We're fans. It's his profession to win football games. We follow Michigan football and some of us spend a few hours a week chasing it. Brian and the staff on Mgoblog follow it for a living, but for the most part the rest of us are fans.  Hoke lives it every single day of his life and during the season and key recruiting times he lives it 80+ hours a week probably more. Just because he doesn't drop his drawers for you in a press conference, doesn't mean he doesn't want to win every game with every fiber of his being. Hell. Ask yourself this question: would either Mattison or Nussmeier be at Michigan if they thought that losing really didn't bother their head coach all that much? 

Please let's all be serious for a moment. It's one thing to disagree as to Hoke's competence, although I'd ask the folks on the incompetent side of the arguement why they think two top coordinators chose to be on the staff of an incompetent HC, it's another thing to think that someone whose entire life has been about mentoring young men and coaching winning football teams doesn't care about losing. It's obvious the guy cares and is doing literally everything he can to coach his "kids" to success,oh and rebuild a broken program at the same time.

Maybe he'll succeed, maybe he'll fail, but please let us not doubt his resolve. 

GoBLUinTX

September 21st, 2014 at 9:05 PM ^

The part everyone is bitching about is on the side of the ball that has had coordinator changes, three radically different schemes in four years (this being the fourth which is only 1/3rd gone), and massive gaps in the roster.
The last radical change on offense occurred in 2008, from pro-style to zone read option. Since then the changes have been transitory, but not radical. In 2011 adopted much of the spread zone read option and only occasionally put Denard under center. In 2012 there was a bit more transition, but remnants of ZRO remained and man blocking became the primary type of blocking. 2013 yet more transition to a west coast type pro-system with a shade of spread still present. Then Al Borges was fired because, you know his offense wasn't scoring enough points though his three years Michigan scored more points per game than in any other three year span. Nussmeier comes in and the biggest change is that the OL adopts more zone blocking than man blocking. Remember, Nussmeier was hired to fix the problems on offense and, and this is a biggie, he was a real QB coach tasked to teach Gardner how to point out the Mike and all that good QB stuff. I would argue that the defense has had the most drastic changes over the last four years. In 2011 the Defense was completely changed from a 3-3-5 defensive front to a 4-3 Under defensive front. This was a complete change for the DLs and LBs and Mattison adopted it even though he really didn't have the correct type of linemen. Then this past spring he tossed out the 4-3 Under for the 4-3 Over. Not as drastic a change as in 2011, but still it was a change that meant no DL nor LB had the same assignment and reads they had the previous year.

UMfanKT

September 22nd, 2014 at 11:04 AM ^

Yeah...I don't know who would want to trade our shitty ass program for what MSU is doing right now.  

- 11+ wins in 3 of last 4 years.  This year will make it 4 out of 5.

- 2 conference championships (i think I spelled it right...although it's been so long since we've had to worry about it I may have forgot) in last 4 years

- Actually PLAYING in the B1G championship game

- 3 consecutive bowl wins

Gee...you know who else plays like a bunch of thugs...the SEC.  I don't understand why anyone would want to mimic themselves after the SEC...hell...they've only won 7 of last 8 BCS Championships.  Isn't it about time we stop this "holier than thou" bullshit?  Like our athletes don't do anything stupid...does the name C'sonte York ring a bell?  If not...how about Brendan Gibbons?  Don't remember Taylor Lewan being put up for a Nobel Peace Prize either.  College kids all over the country do dumb (and sometimes illegal) things...don't act like these things only take place outside of AA.  

Sorry...I'd much rather cheer for an 11+ win team with an actual shot at winning something as opposed to the garbage we're stuck watching from a program that has been completely irrelevant for most of the last decade.

Sac Fly

September 21st, 2014 at 5:08 PM ^

For me, the turning point in that game was that 3rd down play.

Funchess beats the corner, if Gardner hits him in stride it's a touchdown and Michigan goes up 10-3. He skips the ball off the ground, nowhere close to the target. Next play Utah returns the punt for a touchdown.

That was the final straw for me. I'm not in the Gardner camp anymore.

alum96

September 21st, 2014 at 5:12 PM ^

Nick B from mlive said not only was their only 10 guys on the field for the punt return, there were 10 players on the field for the ensuing PAT.  #Coaching

CLord

September 21st, 2014 at 5:27 PM ^

I purged yesterday through dance in the form of 8 graceful hand-to-mouth movements involving a shot glass.  Today I interpret through film our hopes for Hoke before the season, and now:

 

urbanachiever

September 21st, 2014 at 5:32 PM ^

What's the issue with booing 18-22 year old kids who are effectively given hundreds of thousands of dollars to play football? I generally don't boo - period - at games, but I don't see the issue with booing people who are paid to put a product on the field to entertain the fans.

M-Dog

September 21st, 2014 at 5:34 PM ^

I have consistently been willing to wait until the end of 2015 to say we know everything about Brady Hoke and whether he should stay on or not.

Games like this don't make it easy, but I'm still there.

In 2015 he will have an experienced OL, Isaac, Webber, improved WRs, and a QB more suited for his system.  The D which is already good, should be even better.

Now is not the time to blow it all up again and set us back another 5 years.  

However, 2015 is the final fucking exam.  All the excuses of excessive youth and inexperience in key spots will no longer be valid.  If he can't make it a championship caliber year by then, it's never going to happen.  I will be the first to say at that point that a change has to be made.

 

Soulfire21

September 21st, 2014 at 5:41 PM ^

I think I'm still there as well.  

Firing a coach doesn't mean things automatically get better, and if our track record is indicative of the future (2 of the last 2 coaching searches botched in some form or another) then I don't think Dave Brandon will make the best choice given the option again.

I have to commend Hoke for recognizing the offense was a problem last year and firing his good friend Borges to make a change.  Here we are 4 games into a new offense (how many in the past few years?).  We're still 0-0 in the Big Ten, the defense is good to possibly great, if the offense can put the pieces together we can still do some damage in an admittedly watered down conference.

M-Dog

September 21st, 2014 at 5:44 PM ^

My patience is not infinite though.  If he can't make it work by next year, he needs to go and we'll have to take our chances with whatever DB cooks up.

I'm willing to wait because there are legitimate reasons that the team has issues now.  But that's not a permanent excuse.  

UMfanKT

September 22nd, 2014 at 11:20 AM ^

Why does it have to set us back?  Again...what's wrong with playing to win instead of playing not to lose?

Funny...I don't remember Uncle Urban having to "blow things up and set things back another 5 years".  24-2 in his first 2 years...I think the majority of us would take that "set back" anytime.  

MGoCombs

September 21st, 2014 at 5:37 PM ^

I'm over Hoke using these kids as a shield for criticism. The question was about "the state of the program," not bad play of student athletes. Sure, there are mouth-breathers out there who boo and rant about the play of the kids, but most of the frustration is rightly aimed at the coaching staff and athletic department. Hoke needs to stop deflecting to "think of the kids" and take some responsibility for the appropriate criticism. /end rant


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