SEARCHBITS XII: GIL THORP IS A NUTTER Comment Count

Brian

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who are you going to believe, a black and white 1950s comic strip or common sense?

YOU HAVE BEEN OFFERED THE JOB. Michigan is talking to people now. One of those people was David Cutcliffe or his agent, which led wildly inaccurate NFL.com insider Gil "Thorp" Brandt to assert that he had been offered the job and turned it down. What actually happened: Michigan gauged his interest and he said no thanks*. Or nothing at all, but taking public statements from the people involved at face value is never advisable in a coaching search.

If Michigan did contact him, why would Cutcliffe say "no thanks"?  He's 60 and underwent triple-bypass surgery in 2005 that he thought might end his coaching career; Duke was described to me as a "surprise retirement job" for him. Anyone could call him and he would not leave Durham, where he has infinite job security and a level of commitment he can be comfortable with.

What does this say about Michigan's end? They're casting a wide net and poking anyone who looks like a quality college head coach so they have a list of interested people in the event they don't get Harbaugh. Asking after Cutcliffe is a good idea—he's a terrific coach. Or it means nothing at all in the event it didn't happen.

NEXT UP ON LET'S GO NUTS ABOUT A PHONE CALL. Michigan talked to Les Miles's agent yesterday, according to everyone except LSU. (See what I am saying about public statements?) This spawned a WHAT DOES IT MEAN thread on the board that was a little overheated—not that I expected anything else. It's clear that Miles is a guy Michigan should ask about if their policy is "let's talk to good head coaches," even if there remain conflicts between Miles and big chunks of the program alumni.

A call is a call. It means that Miles is not entirely off the list; it doesn't mean much more than that. It has spawned a lot of insiders chattering about how he might be #2 on the list, which would be a shock to me. If so, Hackett is an OG for real. There are a lot of "over my dead body" hurdles to clear there.

An alternate possibility: Hackett made a very public overture to Miles—every newspaper and site had it yesterday, and prominently—in an effort to spur Harbaugh to a decision. That doesn't necessarily mean Miles isn't a legit candidate. The nature of the contact when everything else is murky and disputed is a clear signal to Harbaugh, though.

*HERE IS HOW THIS WORKS. Search firms create a pool of candidates; when they do that they make sure that pool consists of people actually inclined to take the job. A reader who's been involved in these sorts of things details the process:

Anybody who’s been involved in either side of a job search conducted by a search firm knows that the search firm’s job is to create a pool of candidates.  As a potential candidate, you get a call (or, I guess if you are important enough, your agent gets it) from a staffer at the search firm. The person asks you whether you’d be interested in being a candidate. (Sometimes the first question is whether you know anybody who’d be interested and would be a good candidate.) 

You ask about the process - how many people are they contacting?  What’s the timeline?  In my world, to commit to the process, you actually have to do something like write a letter of interest and submit your C.V, and I don’t know if that’s true for coaches.  But you DO have to commit to expending time, energy, and the possibility of disappointment if you say “yes.” 

So from time to time I will get a call about an opening because I’m a plausible candidate, even if it is only to make sure that the firm has fulfilled its duty to create the pool. And in most cases, I’ll make an immediate decision that throwing my hat in the ring isn’t worth it, because the likelihood of getting the job just isn’t worth the physical and psychic costs.

The news story on Cutcliffe in particular struck home that way. He’s a plausible candidate to have in the pool. He’s got a good job. He’s not likely to make the final cut.  He says, “no, thanks, I’m not interested,” not because he wouldn’t like the idea of being the coach at Michigan (just as I wouldn’t mind being the dean at the XYZ Law School), but because he says or thinks, as I do, if Jim Hackett (or the equivalent provost in my case) really wants me, have him give me a call and we can cut to the chase, but I’m not willing just to fill out your NCAA 64 team bracket.”

There, I feel better.

Jeffrey

Michigan is obviously creating this pool in earnest now.

BUT WHAT ABOUT HARBAUGH? I don't think this means much about Harbaugh. It rules out wildly optimistic scenarios in which Harbaugh has already agreed to the job and is going to punch Jed York on the field Sunday before escaping in a block M emblazoned helicopter, giving the stadium an epic double bird while laughing maniacally on his way out.

Michigan is uncertain enough that they're giving themselves a fallback option, or fallback options. This fits with the general belief that Michigan has come after Harbaugh with a very strong offer and hopes he accepts it, but doesn't know.

I've heard conflicting things, but one thing that seems clear is that Harbaugh is 100% honest when he tells the media he is not focused on anything other than his current job. If the 49ers get eliminated from the playoffs things might start moving faster then. Right now Harbaugh is still maniacally focused on something other than where he'll be next year. Frustrating; also why he's a very good coach.

NFL OPENINGS NOT SO OPEN. Despite currently being 5-8 in his second year with the Bears, local opinion holds that Marc Trestman will be back next year. Harbaugh was of course a Bears QB for a long time and an open Chicago job was described as a "problem" a few weeks ago.

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"DISORGANIZED." Bruce Feldman called Michigan's search that while discussing Cutcliffe, and we've heard other media people echo that assertion. For one, I don't think that's knowable. For two, M has been laser-focused on Harbaugh; agree with that approach or not it is a clear goal Michigan is pursuing before exploring other options.

For three, I fail to see why Michigan's search is being held up for ridicule when Nebraska just hired a 62-year-old who's under .500 in the last five years and Florida—Florida!—botched their search so badly that half of the media in a five-state radius descended on their negotiations. Those negotiations fetched a guy with three years of head coaching experience for a seven million dollar buyout. Michigan doesn't have a coach yet, sure. I'd rather have this search than either of those.

PLAN B. Still nothing resembling clarity. Scout's Jamie Newberg reports($) that Jim Mora, Dan Mullen, Bob Stoops, and Butch Jones have all said no thanks; 247's Clint Brewster reports that Mullen and… erk… Bret Bielema could be next options after Harbaugh. He also says Seahawks OC Darrell Bevell is not so much, after Sam named him a person of interest. Nobody knows!

Similarly, opinions on how realistic a Miles candidacy is are all over the place. Brewster says "some people directly tied to NFL and college agents" say it's his to lose(!); Rivals and Scout are far more circumspect—or at least were. Today the chatter is that he's moving up, potentially way up. In this case I place far more trust in the local guys than some agent chatter. But, man.

At least there's this: on GBW's new, insane rumor board Sam noted that Schiano's support comes from his agent and this guy who runs the search firm and his detractors include($) "anyone with coaching experience" still affiliated with M. So we can rule that out, I imagine.

Comments

mjf34g

December 10th, 2014 at 3:34 PM ^

Once again I'll ask the question. Besides just he said, she said, rumors and innuendo, NO ONE has ever offered concrete evidence or the actual senario of the Miles/Carr/Moeller dustup. NO ONE. I've heard at least three different versions and those are once again without evidence. Just different verions that people have been repeating for so long they've had a life of their own. So in my mind its put up or shut time. Come forward or butt out.

jmblue

December 10th, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^

Insiders just laugh at that story.  They don't know where it came from.  In fact, it was apparently Moeller himself who contacted Les this past week.

The issues with Les have more to do with things that were reputedly said on the recruiting trail.

True Blue Grit

December 10th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^

that some version of it ISN'T true.  It isn't the kind of story where you're going to find eye-witnesses willing to come out on record.  If you want proof, you'll almost certainly never find it.  To you and I, it really doesn't matter.  But, it might matter to the people who have influence in the AD or are influencers of some other type (large donors, friends of the program). 

TheMadGrasser

December 10th, 2014 at 5:39 PM ^

That's a pretty bold statement to say that Les Miles is a "known scumbag". What proof do you have of that besides internet rumors?

I hate to reiterate the same "cool story bro" over and over again, but I have a close friend with a MSU undergrad and Buckeye graduate degree who worked with Miles for years at Okie State and said he was a fantastic coach and a great guy to boot. Mind you, this guy also takes shots at Michigan every chance he gets, so for him to say something like that speaks volumes to me.

EDIT: This was  reply to a post 44

billygoblue

December 10th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^

most of us have put just about all of our eggs in the Harbaugh basket, we have cleared our swim lanes for him and dusted off our old #4 jerseys and old videos.  If he chooses not to come there will be a lot of sad faces and cups full of despair.  I seriously doubt that UM can hire Miles with a straight face.  He is a good coach & would be happy to see him if JH said no, but how will they deal with all the media attention to the baggage that Miles will bring with him from some of his past lives.  They will need a full time spinmeister to handle the questions.  Maybe that guy that works as spokesman for the WH?

I think we should prepare ourselves for the guy who we never expected, who will be sold to us as the Coach that nobody knew how great he was, except us.

Ron Utah

December 10th, 2014 at 2:03 PM ^

Brian is right on--no one really knows anything.  The best we can do is attempt to decipher the intentions and desires of the players by examining what is actually happening.  But never forget that even flat denials can be meaningless:

"I guess I have to say it," Saban said. "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach. I don't know how many times I've got to respond to rumor and innuendo," Saban said. "I have no control over that. I've stated what my intentions are and they really haven't changed, so I don't know what the issue is. And I don't know why people keep asking about it. What they talk about over there is their business. But what's happening here is my business and our business, and that's what we're focused on."

That was December 21, 2006.  Saban was hired at Alabama January 4, 2007.  In the interim, he actually said he wasn't going to talk about other jobs for the next five years.

My point is that what is happening is far more important than what is being said.  Here's what's happening:

  • There is no indication Michigan is aggressively pursuing an available candidate (NFL guys are not available yet).
  • Michigan seems to be gauging the interest of several qualified candidates.  This is a good idea even if Jim Harbaugh has accepted the job.  Why?  People change their minds, circumstances change, and maybe Jim Harbaugh just wants some pressure off of him or Hackett wants to take pressure off of him by looking around.
  • While even plain denials (see above) can't be trusted, Harbaugh has not denied interest in the Michigan nor has he publicly refused it.
  • When the actual hire happens, it usually happens VERY fast.  Foley flew to Colorado and hired McElwain.  Nebraska got rebuffed by Bert and hired Riley within 24 hours.  Hoke was hired so fast in 2011 that he did not even have time to meet with his players.  My point: If Harbaugh is NOT the guy and we know it, it's likely the back-up plan will be ready and will be executed before we have time to realize Harbaugh is out.
  • The longer this search goes on, the more likely it is an NFL guy gets hired.  That would probably mean Jim Harbaugh, but it could mean Sean Payton or even John Harbaugh.  There is a cost to waiting, and Hackett understands that.  Every day without a coach is an opportunity for current players to consider and be recruited by transfer programs (under the table, of course).  Every day without a coach hurts this year's recruiting class.  Every day without a coach increases the risk that Oregon State or Tulsa could hire the guy you would have wanted.  If Hackett is waiting, it's because he believes there is an elite coach who is worth the risk and costs of waiting.

Unlike the 2011 fiasco, each day we wait is an indication that there is going to be a blockbuster hire.  If Hackett wanted Herman--or even Mullen, Miles, Stoops, Whittingham, Richt, Mora, etc.--the machine would already be moving.  The fact that we don't have a coach or any indication of aggressive negotiations indicates that we are waiting on the NFL...and probably Jim Harbaugh.

Ron Utah

December 10th, 2014 at 2:13 PM ^

To be clear, my post was not a prediction that Jim Harbaugh will be hired (though that would be my guess).  The point is that Harbaugh (or some elite NFL guy) is still enough of a possibility that the risks and costs of waiting are acceptable.  Hackett understands risk--his press conference proved that.  He's not going to wait a minute longer than he has to, and the longer we wait, the more likely a blockbuster hire becomes.

991GT3

December 10th, 2014 at 2:27 PM ^

my take is a bit different. If Harbaugh wanted the job he would have indicated to Hackett he wants it. Since Hackett is trolling the coaching landscape means Harbaugh has not confirmed he wants the job and is an indication he will not come.

He will remain in the NFL. MIchigan will yet again scramble to find a suitable coach and it will not be a blockbuster hire.

 

Ron Utah

December 10th, 2014 at 2:34 PM ^

I don't Harbaugh has told Hackett he's sure he's taking the job.  But even if he has, Hackett should be looking for back-ups in a just-in-case scenario or in an effort to take pressure off of Harbaugh.

What I will disagree with is your second point: if Michigan is now looking for other options, they won't be caught with their pants down if Harbaugh says no.  If we were not looking around, I'd be more convinced Harbaugh was the guy but more worried that if we didn't get him things would fall apart.

There is ZERO downside to looking around right now, even if Harbaugh has said yes (in principle).  There is tremendous potential downside to NOT surveying the coaching landscape...as I said above, you never know what will happen, even if Harbaugh has said yes.

If you were the AD and Harbaugh had given you a verbal agreement, would you look around?  I know I would.  One thing I have learned running a business is that it's never done until it's done.  Hackett knows that, too.

alum96

December 10th, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^

Or he is being completely logical and per reports his dad said if he comes to Michigan he should stay at Michigan "until the job is done".  That could be a 10 year investment.  He has no idea what other offers are out there until after Dec 28th.  If an NFL team gives him Parcells like GM/head coach is alleviates his players going around his back to the GM to complain and reduces the issues he currently faces.

From all indications Michigan has given Harbaugh the keys to the house.  There can be no complaints (from the smoke) that we have not put our best foot forward.  On the other hand being completely logical it is up to Jim to do what is best for Jim and he might think a combo NFL HC/GM role would be perfect for him as well.  He should not be viewed negatively for waiting to see what cards lay on the table for him.  He won't know until after Dec 28th.

diegobrucie

December 10th, 2014 at 2:16 PM ^

There have been many posts suggesting that Harbaugh and Miles are the best possible hires. I'm not so sure. I think about the sort of hire that Bo Schembechler was. He was little-known to most people (though Woody Hayes sure knew about him). He drew complaints of "Bo who?" from Michigan fans. But he had a lot of up side, to say the very least. And he had the ability to last a very long time. To me, Tom Herman is the closest thing to that right now. Way more upside than Miles. Probably more ability to last a long time than Harbaugh. If it were me, I'd be looking to hire Herman. I don't know how to quantify this, but to me, he has classic great hall-of-fame college football coach written all over him.

alum96

December 10th, 2014 at 4:37 PM ^

The same logic to hire Tom Herman today would point to hiring Steve Adazzio in 2009. 

Urban had Dan Mullen has his coordinator for years.  His last year was 2008, UF was 13-1.  Mullen went to Miss State where for years on end he had mediocre offenses until 6 years into his reign.

The very next year, in 2009, Steve Adazzio "led" that offense to a 13-1 record.  The same as Mullen.

Therefore Adazzio is an exciting brilliant offensive mind in the mold of Tom Herman. 

Strangely, Tom Herman - an OC who had 3 ho hum years at Iowa State, including 2 years (his 2nd and 3rd) where their offense was as bad or worse than UM's in 2014, went to coach for Urban Meyer and is hailed a genius.

The same genius lauded on Mullen.  And apparently the genius passed on to Adazzio in 2009 when he was able to do the same exact thing Mullen did in 2008.

Or maybe it's all due to Urban Meyer being a fucking offensive wizard.

Nah, too simple.

MI Expat NY

December 11th, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^

I'm not sure why you're so biased on this subject. The reason UF's offense didn't crater in 2009 is because it returned everyone but Percy Harvin, including NFL players at over half the positions. And the offense still took a slight step back. In 2010,the offense did crater, which you conveniently ignore. Nobody is arguing that Meyer isn't hugely important to his offenses, but he IS more reliant on his OC than most "offensive genius" head coaches.

HonoluluBlue

December 10th, 2014 at 2:17 PM ^

I love Brian's idea of  "wildly optimistic scenarios in which Harbaugh has already agreed to the job and is going to punch Jed York on the field Sunday before escaping in a block M emblazoned helicopter, giving the stadium an epic double bird while laughing maniacally on his way out." but why stop there? The helicopter should at least fly over Spartan Stadium while Jim spreads the cheeks and drops a massive coiler on the block S. There are so many more scenarios you could fill in here. Just think of the possibilities!

CLord

December 10th, 2014 at 2:17 PM ^

As a straightforward guy, Jim will assuredly tell Hackett promptly when he's not interested.  Since that hasn't appeared to have happened yet, it means there must be some interest.  AMIRITE?

joegeo

December 10th, 2014 at 2:21 PM ^

MS Paint this Please:

"Harbaugh is going to punch Jed York on the field Sunday before escaping in a block M emblazoned helicopter, giving the stadium an epic double bird while laughing maniacally on his way out."

michgoblue

December 10th, 2014 at 2:27 PM ^

"Jim Mora, Dan Mullen, Bob Stoops, and Butch Jones have all said no thanks"

If this is true, here's what I don't understand.  If you boil any job search down to the most basic element, the most important factor in a job opening is pay.  I refuse to believe that if Michigan showed up with a $5.5 million per year offer, Mora or Mullen wouldn't accept. 

Stoops may be a different calculus, as he makes over $5 million now, so fine, offer the guy $6.5.  This search is make it or break it for the program.  Sure, $6.5 million is absurd, but for where we are at, a guy like Stoops is well worth it. 

Scott

December 10th, 2014 at 2:30 PM ^

 "...scenarios in which Harbaugh has already agreed to the job and is going to punch Jed York on the field Sunday before escaping in a block M emblazoned helicopter, giving the stadium an epic double bird while laughing maniacally on his way out."

Stop

 

ChicagoGangViolins

December 10th, 2014 at 2:30 PM ^

 

Oh why has the AD not involved the swimmers in this search? Because swim lanes matter, derp. And I shouldn't need to make these logical connections for others let alone for Michigan Swimming and Water Polo.

 

In reply to by ChicagoGangViolins

Johnny10er

December 12th, 2014 at 1:09 AM ^

He set up the lanes, preparing them for the swimmers to compete.
He knows the one with the best time will get to select the ref for the following meet. Maybe he knows who has the fastest time already. Maybe he knows if someone else takes his spot, that one guy won't swim as fast.
Maybe, just maybe, referee Jim knows a guy, and his family, who is a real good swimmer.
Maybe they share a first name.
And swimmer Jim knows, dammit, he is going to win that race.
But he's only diving in the pool knowing referee Jim is officiating. And he knows Ref Jim is done once the race is over, and he knows of another guy with a pistol full 'o blanks that will take over once Ref Jim steps down. Swimmer Jim would love to be in the pool with this other guy being "in charge"

Maybe.

Maybe this is the 500 freestyle.
You don't want it done after the first 50 yards.
Or hundred.

It's hard because we are blindfolded, as spectators, with barely any crowd noise letting us know who, if anyone, is winning the race.

But we have to trust in the splashes we hear, going in both directions, that the guy we want to win is ahead. Even when the water seems cool.

rdlwolverine

December 10th, 2014 at 2:31 PM ^

Not taking a position on whether Michigan should hire Miles if Harbaugh cannot be induced to come, or what any of his baggage is or isn't.  I would point out, though, that Miles was only one year ahead of Hackett at Michigan.  Miles was an offensive guard buried on the depth chart and Hackett was a center, also buried on the depth chart.  I have no idea if they have kept in touch through all the years, but I imagine they knew each other pretty well from their time on the team. Accordingly, Hackett is likely to have his own opinion on Miles and not be influenced as much by what others think of Miles.

GunnersApe

December 10th, 2014 at 2:32 PM ^

 

Was it confirmed by anyone that when Hackett met with the players he said "Most likely after Xmas break and not a spread coach." ?

 

If true this rules out certain guys.  

jaysvw

December 10th, 2014 at 3:28 PM ^

If this goes on much longer, I really hope it's because Hackett has some sort of handshake, head nod, wink wink from JH about becoming the coach after the NFL season.  I can't help but feel like we will be in a bad spot if come the first  week of Jan we are trying to make a plan B hire becuase JH said no.

Hotel Putingrad

December 10th, 2014 at 2:55 PM ^

Most likely scenario...49ers are eliminated from playoff contention this weekend. 49ers brass, realizing that they will not garner much in a trade of Harbaugh's services since he will not commit to signing an extension with his prospective employer, fire Harbaugh on Monday. Harbaugh is introduced as new head football coach at University of Michigan by this time next week.

Of course, this is dependent upon Stephen Ross preferring that Jim coach U-M next year instead of the Dolphins. In which event, Tom Herman will be introduced as the new head football coach at U-M roughly 72 hours after Alabama defeats OSU in the Sugar Bowl/SF #2.

michgoblue

December 10th, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^

I see that this is your first post.  Here's a +1.  More importantly, I like your reasoning.

If the 49ers are out of it on Monday, and they realize that they will not receive much for Jim Harbaugh via a trade, I could see them firing him on Monday or Tuesday.  The situation there is toxic, and if the team wants to move forward in a different direction, there is  no point in having a coach who is disliked by many on the team and in the front office stick around. 

If that happens, there is no reason that Hackett cannot tell Harbaugh that he is now on the clock, and that the job is his, but that he can only wait so long, say until 12/26.  At that point, if Harbaugh hasn't signed on, you move on to the next man on your list.  Apparently, you and I share the same next best name (assuming that Stoops and Mora are out) - Herman.