Does Mo Return?
In this case, it actually is. Beilein has offered one more player for 2018-19 than he has scholarships available. He's assuming there will be attrition of at least one player prior to graduation, either by a draft declaration or a transfer. This is new for him -- he refused to do it before, and Michigan ended up losing out both Tyus Battle (when he decommitted) and Josh Langford (I think it was), who wanted to commit but was told there wasn't space.
I'd love to have Wagner come back, but I really hope that one person exits the team voluntarily, whether it's Wagner, Matthews (to the NBA), or a transfer candidate. I'd really hate to have Beilein turn into Chris Collins and start trying to bully a player into leaving.
I do think he'll likely leave, though. Typically, if a player investigates his draft stock, then improves markedly in the areas that people saw as his weaknesses, his next step is to move on.
And never deal with fucking college refs another day in your life as a bonus.
accomplished a lot here.
What a great kid. And what a Michigan Man. I wish him all the best as a pro.
I wouldn't be upset or blame him for going .However i kind of hope he does what's best for ME!
I"d be surprised if he does but he's the number 1 pick next year and will be unstoppable. This guy will be hungry and that team unstoppable next year. I'll say a prayer tonight before I pass out. Him and Mathews come back, X developes his jumper, title in the bag. Who stops that team?
Not drunk, little buzzed. You cant understand that paragraph? Back to school daddy's boy. Dumbass.
Think about it this way: He's about to make a heck of a lot more money in the next year than he would have made if he'd signed a Euro contract a few years ago. Got to feel good about that.
but he should do whats best for him. I personally think he should stay another year, get that degree, and go to the NBA if he can, and go back to Germany as a fall back, but if he can get drafted in the first round, then go for it Big Moe
He's obviously a smart kid, he'll have a year left of school. It's not like he's a one-and-done. If the NBA doesn't pan out, it's not like he'll have a lot of ground to cover should he want to go back. At this point, he's a mid-first-rounder, right? He's not going to go from that to a top-5 pick with another season. This is his chance, and it seems obvious he should take it.
At this point he is almost certainly not a mid first-rounder...possibly not any first-rounder
Mo's given all of us Michigan fans a lot of memories. Hope he does great at the next level.
thanks mo
No one else has attempted a translation of this apt quote, so I'll take a not-too-literal crack at it (Brecht is not easy German to translate):
"And so it comes to a good end ---everything is reconciled. Of course if sufficient money is at hand, the end is mostly good!"
But I disagree. As many ofthers here have stated, with Moe, money is probably not the first objective. He'll make money whether he plays here or in Europe. Moe's first objective is whether he (or his coaches, NBA scouts, his parents) think he's accomplished pretty much what he can in college and whether it's time to get on with the next phase of his life, which undoubtedly is professional basketball.
As an aside, I wish Moe would talk with big man Frank Kaminsky, who went back to Wisconsin for his senior season largely for the fun of it and also made it to the final NCAA game. For Frank --- who as I recall was a first-round draftee --- that was undoutedly the right move, and he could give Moe some good advice.
I selfishly hope he comes back, but I am not expecting it...
if he grades out as a 1st round pick, i think he should leave.
Not so simple a choice, in my view. To get paid sooner rather than later vs. how will he get the best, patient coaching to have the (best) kind of professional career he wants for himself?
Being German (with their stronger safety net) means he may not be as desperate for the payday as your typical American. He's not a poor kid from the inner city who needs the money to help his family.
Sure the money is tempting- probably too tempting- but still he needs a lot of development of his skills- defensively in particular, and maybe more important, to develop some more emotional maturity.
Origionally I thought he was definitely gone, but the more I think about it I think there is a decent chance he stays. This years draft class is loaded, especially at the 4/5 where Moe will play.
Wagner's gone, IMHO. Another year of college "development" is what he will get in spades in the G-league, which is where he's headed after he's drafted in the second round. He'll get whatever additional development he needs there and be NBA-ready in the next year or two. Best of luck to him.
He will leave because the risk is too great not to give it a try. However, Mo is in a very unique position as a European. If the NBA does not work out, he can obviously play in Europe. While Germany's salaries are lower than that of the top Euro leagues, he could potentially make more in additional endorsements in the motherland speaking the language. Some of the bigger leagues will pay more, but he likely wont make the endorsement money in one of the top leagues unless he is a star. The top group of European players will make at least 1MM a season post tax (up to 2MM) and the clubs usuallly take the tax out of their salaries...so those salary numbers are what they net. If Mo was ONLY given a MID TIER contract, he could very likely take home 500K+/year after taxes + endorsements. Also, not sure if this is still the standard over there, but I had a couple friends play in Europe. Included in their deals was usually the use of a car and an apartment. Mo goes and plays in Germany, he is at least looking at 500k+ a year (net), plus endorsements, a car (in Germany likely a Mercedes) and maybe an apartment or housing stipend (yes that sounds crazy). Then there's also China where he would likely make more than playing in Europe. If Mo can't cut it in the NBA, he should do just fine financially. No he wont be getting 50MM contracts down the line, but a succesful European career (or China) and he's sitting on millons when its all done if he's smart with his money.
My sources also indicate that he is holding out hope to get the role of Augustus Gloop in next winter's university theater production of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory; so no way he passes that up.
Get that money!!! And have the opportunity to play with/against Dirk Nowitzki before he retires.
Would love to be wrong, but I'd say its about the same as a snowball's chance in hell.
mock drafts he is listed as follows:
46th, 27th, 29th, 46th and 48th. You would think you would want to at least be a sure fire 1st rounder to make the jump early and I am not sure he is at this point.