CoverZero

December 24th, 2017 at 7:14 PM ^

Sure thing.... just like they fired...

Rick Forzano

Tommy Husped

Monte Clark

Daryl Rogers

Wayne

Bobby Ross

Gary Moeller

The guy who took the wind on the coin toss in overtime

Mooch

Dick Jauron

Rod Marinelli

and Jim Schwartz...

 

Meanwhile the Steelers have had 3 head coaches total and a hand full of rings....

The problems start at the top of the food chain:  The Fords

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Mi Sooner

December 24th, 2017 at 9:49 PM ^

Because the lions were too cheap to be winners. WCF was happy that the teams was turning a profit at the quality of play they were at. He thought, why spend more and reduce profit? Barry sanders and Calvin Johnson weren’t the first people to quit the organization; joe Schmidt and Alex Karras were the first ones. Don maccafferty died of a heart attack, IIRC, before he coach more than a few games if any.

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BlueinLansing

December 24th, 2017 at 7:43 PM ^

accomplishes unless they have an absolue upgrade available and ready.  Otherwise its just perpetuating the culture of Detroit Lions football by replacing a coach after 3 or 4 years and hoping the next guy is the answer.

 

Lions need more and better players. 

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ckersh74

December 24th, 2017 at 8:10 PM ^

I like the guy. He's not that bad of a coach.

HOWEVER....the NFL is a results-oriented business. This team did not get it done. So if you want to burn everything, go ahead. I do not object. 

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Blue Warrior

December 24th, 2017 at 8:43 PM ^

As a coach. Stafford should sit and give Rudock a shot. I could give two shits about the lions. They should pull the team from the nfl and sell Ford field to The U of M for another training facility....ughh

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lilpenny1316

December 24th, 2017 at 9:14 PM ^

We have a team full of third down backs and zero O-line depth. 

Once Ngata went down, we had no one on the Dline that could stop the run. 

Paul Worrilow was one of our starting LBs. 

Whoeover starts opposite Darius Slay is a PI machine.

The only way this team can win games is with Stafford's arm.  Trying to "establish the run" is a foolish strategy with a patchwork O-line.  Why pay a QB $40mil a season if you won't tell him to win the game with his arm, starting in the 1st quarter.  

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OneBadMutha

December 24th, 2017 at 9:34 PM ^

This was Caldwell's 2nd to last game as a Lions head coach.  I'm 95% sure.  Fact that Lions made it public that he only had one more year to the extension was more than a sign he was on the hot seat.  He's not good but coaches can be changed quickly.  I'd contend that historically coaching isn't what's held them back the most.  What's held them back ranks in the following order:

  1. Owner
  2. GM
  3. QB
  4. Coach

The top 3 will all be back.  Stafford is a good QB but his play isn't equal to his contract.  For all the credit we've given Bob, the 3 guys who've carried the team most this year were 1) Stafford 2) Prater and 3) Slay.  When those 3 weren't great, Lions usually lost.  Without those 3, Lions win between 0-2 games.  Since Bob isn't responsible for those 3, how great a job is he really doing?

Owner pushed for Caldwell so Bob's clock never started.  He'll be here 3 to 4 years regardless of how bad it goes because his first two years will be a wash under Martha since she kept her guy. 

This franchise is a mess.  I'd contend they're further from a Championship than an expansion team because they can't build to elite status around their current core contracts.  No Lions fan wants to hear it but they need to tear this thing down and start by building in the trenches.  

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Caillou

December 24th, 2017 at 10:14 PM ^

Although Caldwell has the second best record as Lions HC, most people believe he should be fired for poor decision making. That's fair. BUT, while we're on the subject of replacing people, why isn't anyone mentioning relieving Stafford of his duties? Not only does he make poor in-game decisions, but he's done it for 9 years AND he has led this team into more losses than wins.

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MGoPDX88

December 24th, 2017 at 11:25 PM ^

This man. If I had failed at my job in the ways he has at his, I wouldn't have a job. Decision making at stressful times is a managers main job. The head coach is a manger.

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BoFan

December 25th, 2017 at 3:41 AM ^

It’s not Caldwell. Any coach will suck under Ford ownership. WCF once was quoted as saying you don’t have to win to make money with the Lions. In other words fans will come no matter what the record.

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treetown

December 26th, 2017 at 8:44 AM ^

When the William Clay Ford originally acquired the team, it was just another way for a rich guy to waste his money. It didn't cost much (relative to today), the players all worked off season jobs, some even sold cars, and it was more a rich guy diversion, like how some of these people buy yachts today. 

But things changed. Now, it is a serious big money business. The Fords won't sell cheaply because a franchise now is worth close to a $1 billion - some teams are less but some are right at that mark. Sure, there are still some supraplutocrat owners where this is just an expensive way to pass time but for many it is becoming a major item in their business holdings. Don't know all the details, but the team may actually be the single most valuable holding the family has. The preferred stock in Ford automative has to be divvied up among the various cousins and relatives so their individual benefit is much smaller now than back in the days of Henry Ford II.

So long as the Lions print money, nothing dramatic will change. Some owners desperately want a winning team, that is a life goal for them, but others just want a money making one. For owners like the latter, they can often get good football people who are looking for a low pressure place where the goals are low (field a good team, keep attendance up, get into the playoffs now and then) Don't forget even some arguably bad owners often want a championship team - they are just jerks and idiots, so can't get good football people to work for them, but they do want to a great team.

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ih8losing

December 25th, 2017 at 5:49 PM ^

I get that but how exactly is the Ford’s fault this team is atrocious on run defense and hasn’t had a 100 yard rusher in however long? Did you catch yesterday was the first time in 3 years the Lions scored a rushing TD in the 4th quarter of a game? Just shows how much they play from behind. Oh and let’s not talk about beating teams with a winning record. At some point being winning teams/programs aren’t satisfied with mediocrity. I’m on the boat of finding a new coach. Who? I don’t know but then again I’m not getting paid millions to know either. This is why Bob Quin was brought in right?

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JBE

December 25th, 2017 at 12:07 PM ^

Why do people keep saying this? His defenses have been medicore to bad. Bottom three in the league this year. If he were a DC for anybody else he wouldn't get a look. New England keeps winning despite him, with the best offense in the NFL. 

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CryingMagnus

December 25th, 2017 at 3:26 PM ^

Ridiculous thread.

The Lions are  a 6-10/7-9 team which overachieved this year.  Look at the numbers and deny that.  

Fine.  Fire Caldwell.  WHo do you hire then?  And how is that coach going to be any difference since Monte Clark?

The common denominator is the Fords. NOT the coach.

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