OT: MSU strength and conditioning coach in trouble.
December 21st, 2017 at 11:46 PM ^
I really, really, really dislike people who say it's not a big deal to make a quick text or search or whatever while they're driving. It really is a big deal. Whatever you want to do, it can wait. Rest in peace to the victims, prayers to the poor family. Lock this asshat up for a long time.
December 21st, 2017 at 11:50 PM ^
Texting while driving is worse than drunk driving because you have full cognition when you do it and put others in danger.
Also, I bet everyone here a pint that MSU or someone with MSU ties represented this guy and fought for four months through about four court battles not to allow his text messages into admission, and then in November the DA got it and realized he didn't simply not stop in time, he was texting full time. The whole time they fought the text message release, more likely than not, the university was aware of the contents and time signatures of this guys phone, and let him continue to train and prepare the basketball team. Because, MSU basketball.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:55 AM ^
And he's still, currently, getting paid without working. What does the MSU strength coach have on them that they would do that against all this evidence? Hmmm....
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:50 PM ^
He turns two star high school offensive linemen into Outland Trophy candidates. That's all they care about.
December 22nd, 2017 at 3:00 PM ^
He was the hoops S&C coach.
December 22nd, 2017 at 5:35 AM ^
analagous to john shea, the lawyer who represented jourdan lewis in that DV case earlier this year. he is likewise very pro-MSU, much like john shea is pro-U of M. if you ever get in trouble in EL, mike nichols would be the guy at the top of your speed dial list.
December 22nd, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^
Texting while driving is dumb. So is eating, or drinking a soda, or turning around to yell at your kids, or changing your radio settings. Anything that takes your eyes off the road is dumb to a degree. Texting just seems to take people's eyes off the road longer than most other in-car activities.
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:52 PM ^
I hope you didn't type this while you were driving.
December 21st, 2017 at 11:49 PM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:05 AM ^
Yeah, now that I think about it I cannot believe I've had to explain this in person to multiple people.
December 22nd, 2017 at 7:33 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^
I'm right here.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:40 PM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:10 AM ^
And to add to this, in the minutes after the crash he texts his buddy "Omg. I'm f----. Two ppl killed" and "I'm going to jail." He murders two people and the only thing he's worried about is that he's going to jail? What a piece of utter shit.
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:31 AM ^
cause people to say and do things they otherwise would not do. Many times good attorneys will contest comments made by clients immediately after a high stress incident.
This is also why a good lawyer will tell you to resist saying anything after a high stress incident.
December 22nd, 2017 at 6:15 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 8:52 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 6:54 AM ^
I just read the article. It scared the shit out of me (as do all similar stories).
Think about the number of idiots on the road (at high speed) doing this type of thing all day long. He's the tip of the iceberg statistically, right?
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:28 AM ^
of driving while playing Pokemon drivers out there.
December 22nd, 2017 at 10:12 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:42 PM ^
Need to come back in a BIG WAY acorss this entire nation
December 22nd, 2017 at 5:37 PM ^
How was this covered up for so long? Why wasn't it publicized when it happened?
It's almost like Sparty playars and coaches receive special treatment...
December 21st, 2017 at 11:47 PM ^
December 21st, 2017 at 11:53 PM ^
I came to this thread expecting to make some snide comment about some idiot's drunk and disorderly charge but... fuck, man... a little girl and her mother died. What a totally avoidable tragedy, i'm having a hard time processing this right now.
December 21st, 2017 at 11:51 PM ^
December 21st, 2017 at 11:51 PM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:11 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 8:46 AM ^
A strip club in Ohio, of all places. He killed a mother and a 5 year old girl for a strip club in Ohio. This guy is a piece of shit and I hope he doesn't see the light of day outside of prison for the rest of his life.
December 22nd, 2017 at 8:54 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^
No more sympathy. This guy deserves the worst.
Strip clubs are nasty in general but there is strip clubs and then there is strip clubs in Ohio. We can all agree that a human being is more vile if he is interested in a strip in Ohio than say, Michigan.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:31 PM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 2:06 PM ^
Haha, I agree with you.
December 23rd, 2017 at 7:58 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:26 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:15 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:27 AM ^
First MSU didn't suspend him until charges were brought, that is standard practice for most organizations. 2nd he's suspended with pay but will probably lose his job once convicted as he'll no doubt fail one of MSU's code of employee conduct rules. Again standard practice.
Terrible tragedy and mistake, this man will serve his time and debt to society and have to live with this the rest of his life. What MSU does with him is really secondary to everything
December 22nd, 2017 at 2:52 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:05 AM ^
Are you sure that Staee even has a code of employee conduct? If so, is it on the back of an Omar's Show Bar napkin?
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:22 AM ^
have or should have proceedures to deal with an employees legal troubles. Suspending or firing someone before charges are brought or some kind of discipline before conviction can open your company up to some legal issues that might cost you money in the long run.
All major organizations have protocol to follow.
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:40 AM ^
I hate these types of threads because it seems as if some portions of sports fanbases, ours included, get some sick, perverse satisfication when something like this happens to an employee/player from a rival sports team.
December 22nd, 2017 at 7:12 AM ^
Unless the HC is over-the-top stressing it to his coaching staff to not ever do this or be fired, I would bet that there are at least a couple guys on every staff in the country who text while driving.
December 22nd, 2017 at 8:47 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 8:58 AM ^
They have jobs, because nobody cares about MSU.
Everybody I know was completely outraged over Sandusky (as they should have been) and none of these people have any idea who Nassar is. It's simply a function of nobody knowing or caring about MSU. I work at a F100 Company (not in the Midwest) and know of only 1 MSU grad (yet know about 20 Michigan ones).
December 22nd, 2017 at 10:36 AM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:38 PM ^
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:10 AM ^
3 days before Christmas. This was a horrible story to begin with and finding out the details just makes it worse. Hope the family can overcome this. Not sure I could.
I'll admit I have on occasion texted while driving (generally Y N or OTW) and usually when there is little to no traffic. I updated to iOS 11 specifically for the do not disturb function to even avoid receiving anything.
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:59 AM ^