OT: MSU strength and conditioning coach in trouble.
December 21st, 2017 at 11:46 PM ^
I really, really, really dislike people who say it's not a big deal to make a quick text or search or whatever while they're driving. It really is a big deal. Whatever you want to do, it can wait. Rest in peace to the victims, prayers to the poor family. Lock this asshat up for a long time.
December 21st, 2017 at 11:50 PM ^
Texting while driving is worse than drunk driving because you have full cognition when you do it and put others in danger.
Also, I bet everyone here a pint that MSU or someone with MSU ties represented this guy and fought for four months through about four court battles not to allow his text messages into admission, and then in November the DA got it and realized he didn't simply not stop in time, he was texting full time. The whole time they fought the text message release, more likely than not, the university was aware of the contents and time signatures of this guys phone, and let him continue to train and prepare the basketball team. Because, MSU basketball.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:55 AM ^
And he's still, currently, getting paid without working. What does the MSU strength coach have on them that they would do that against all this evidence? Hmmm....
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:50 PM ^
He turns two star high school offensive linemen into Outland Trophy candidates. That's all they care about.
December 22nd, 2017 at 3:00 PM ^
He was the hoops S&C coach.
December 22nd, 2017 at 5:35 AM ^
analagous to john shea, the lawyer who represented jourdan lewis in that DV case earlier this year. he is likewise very pro-MSU, much like john shea is pro-U of M. if you ever get in trouble in EL, mike nichols would be the guy at the top of your speed dial list.
December 22nd, 2017 at 11:49 AM ^
Drunk driving is not somehow "better" because you are too drunk to know what you are doing. That is absurd.
Texting while driving is dumb. So is eating, or drinking a soda, or turning around to yell at your kids, or changing your radio settings. Anything that takes your eyes off the road is dumb to a degree. Texting just seems to take people's eyes off the road longer than most other in-car activities.
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:52 PM ^
I hope you didn't type this while you were driving.
December 21st, 2017 at 11:49 PM ^
What sort of horrible person says that out loud? I know people do this idiotic thing but I didn't know people own up to it.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:05 AM ^
Yeah, now that I think about it I cannot believe I've had to explain this in person to multiple people.
December 22nd, 2017 at 7:33 AM ^
you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't use their phone while driving. I'm sure you've done it. I have done it. still currently do it. but what ill also say is that, speaking for myself only, I know the dangers of it, and I've been fortunate to not have something bad happen. I also make a concerted effort to put my phone out of reach while driving and stop myself when I'm doing it.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^
I'm right here.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:40 PM ^
Hands free Bluetooth is only moderately distracting. Texting is criminally negligent. Don’t equate the two. How far is that from “everybody murders”?
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^
I said phone use to encompass Facebook, Google, etc. hands free blue tooth is not the same. I'm not equating the 2.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:10 AM ^
And to add to this, in the minutes after the crash he texts his buddy "Omg. I'm f----. Two ppl killed" and "I'm going to jail." He murders two people and the only thing he's worried about is that he's going to jail? What a piece of utter shit.
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:31 AM ^
cause people to say and do things they otherwise would not do. Many times good attorneys will contest comments made by clients immediately after a high stress incident.
This is also why a good lawyer will tell you to resist saying anything after a high stress incident.
December 22nd, 2017 at 6:15 AM ^
Anyone who texts "omg" after killing two people is a sociopath or has the maturity of a 12 year old. The guy should be forced to dig graves manually for any kind of time to serve or community service he gets.
December 22nd, 2017 at 8:52 AM ^
“Omg, killed 2 ppl. I’m 4ked. Lulz. Wut u doin 2nite?”
December 22nd, 2017 at 6:54 AM ^
I just read the article. It scared the shit out of me (as do all similar stories).
Think about the number of idiots on the road (at high speed) doing this type of thing all day long. He's the tip of the iceberg statistically, right?
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:28 AM ^
of driving while playing Pokemon drivers out there.
December 22nd, 2017 at 10:12 AM ^
A corner, or just driving, is an IQ indicator. Buy an earpiece or set up Bluetooth if it's really that important.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:42 PM ^
Need to come back in a BIG WAY acorss this entire nation
December 22nd, 2017 at 5:37 PM ^
How was this covered up for so long? Why wasn't it publicized when it happened?
It's almost like Sparty playars and coaches receive special treatment...
December 21st, 2017 at 11:47 PM ^
Game of Thrones water? Awesome.
December 21st, 2017 at 11:53 PM ^
I came to this thread expecting to make some snide comment about some idiot's drunk and disorderly charge but... fuck, man... a little girl and her mother died. What a totally avoidable tragedy, i'm having a hard time processing this right now.
December 21st, 2017 at 11:51 PM ^
But this was posted and it's the bball coach
December 21st, 2017 at 11:51 PM ^
That was a bad accident. Shut traffic down for hours down here. Put away your phone while driving people. RIP to the mom and her daughter.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:11 AM ^
Absolutely disgusting. This jackass was texting about a strip club and now a mom and her five year old daughter are dead. This guy deserves the full punishment of the law.
December 22nd, 2017 at 8:46 AM ^
A strip club in Ohio, of all places. He killed a mother and a 5 year old girl for a strip club in Ohio. This guy is a piece of shit and I hope he doesn't see the light of day outside of prison for the rest of his life.
December 22nd, 2017 at 8:54 AM ^
Hahahaha, wait, what? Would you have more sympathy if it was a Michigan strip club, one where the dancers have all their teeth ?
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^
No more sympathy. This guy deserves the worst.
Strip clubs are nasty in general but there is strip clubs and then there is strip clubs in Ohio. We can all agree that a human being is more vile if he is interested in a strip in Ohio than say, Michigan.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:31 PM ^
not trying to be overly virtuous here, but I honestly believe anyone interested in any strip club is equally vile.
December 22nd, 2017 at 2:06 PM ^
Haha, I agree with you.
December 23rd, 2017 at 7:58 AM ^
They wear things over their nipples in Ohio.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:26 AM ^
And he's suspended WITH pay. WTF Sparty?
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:15 AM ^
Sparty's a trash outfit. What a damn tragedy for that family.
December 22nd, 2017 at 1:27 AM ^
First MSU didn't suspend him until charges were brought, that is standard practice for most organizations. 2nd he's suspended with pay but will probably lose his job once convicted as he'll no doubt fail one of MSU's code of employee conduct rules. Again standard practice.
Terrible tragedy and mistake, this man will serve his time and debt to society and have to live with this the rest of his life. What MSU does with him is really secondary to everything
December 22nd, 2017 at 2:52 AM ^
This explanation is needed before people start shouting from the roof tops without knowing which rooftop they should be shouting from.....from which rooftops they should be shouting. Sorry.....almost ended that sentence with a preposition which would nullify my argument with this fan base....
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:05 AM ^
Are you sure that Staee even has a code of employee conduct? If so, is it on the back of an Omar's Show Bar napkin?
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:22 AM ^
have or should have proceedures to deal with an employees legal troubles. Suspending or firing someone before charges are brought or some kind of discipline before conviction can open your company up to some legal issues that might cost you money in the long run.
All major organizations have protocol to follow.
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:40 AM ^
I hate these types of threads because it seems as if some portions of sports fanbases, ours included, get some sick, perverse satisfication when something like this happens to an employee/player from a rival sports team.
December 22nd, 2017 at 7:12 AM ^
Unless the HC is over-the-top stressing it to his coaching staff to not ever do this or be fired, I would bet that there are at least a couple guys on every staff in the country who text while driving.
December 22nd, 2017 at 8:47 AM ^
hope he gets the full 30 years - hope you rot, motherfucker.
December 22nd, 2017 at 8:58 AM ^
They have jobs, because nobody cares about MSU.
Everybody I know was completely outraged over Sandusky (as they should have been) and none of these people have any idea who Nassar is. It's simply a function of nobody knowing or caring about MSU. I work at a F100 Company (not in the Midwest) and know of only 1 MSU grad (yet know about 20 Michigan ones).
December 22nd, 2017 at 10:36 AM ^
You seem like a pretty cool guy.
December 22nd, 2017 at 12:38 PM ^
do you really want to use this stick to poke MSU with? it is a rotten, shit-covered twig that no self-respecting person should be wielding.
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:10 AM ^
3 days before Christmas. This was a horrible story to begin with and finding out the details just makes it worse. Hope the family can overcome this. Not sure I could.
I'll admit I have on occasion texted while driving (generally Y N or OTW) and usually when there is little to no traffic. I updated to iOS 11 specifically for the do not disturb function to even avoid receiving anything.
December 22nd, 2017 at 9:59 AM ^
What's Hollis' role in this? I am building a file.