Let's be at least as optimistic as Joel Klatt (Michigan in Top 3 for next year)

Submitted by JHumich on

For whatever reason, talk like this often gets smacked down as overly optimistic homerism that is guilty of participating in a perpetual "wait-til-next-year" mantra that will never ever ever come true. 

But, as a Michigan fan, for me hope springs eternal--especially with the instant, palpable culture change since Harbaugh arrived.

Can't we be at least as optimistic for our own team as Joel Klatt is for them?

https://www.facebook.com/JoelKlatt1/videos/801366656714123/

I'm hoping that accolades like this stack up. I think Coach has our men in a place where they are going to hit the work hard, and strive to improve every day, regardless of what people are saying.

More than ever, it's great to be a Michigan Wolverine [fan]!

UMxWolverines

December 21st, 2017 at 10:21 PM ^

I don't hate Michigan, I've been on this site nearly as long as you. I'm just tired of people not owning up to what has happened and why it does. There's a reason we lose to MSU nearly every year and it's not rain, the refs, luck, or our QB that was playing poorly the first four games was hurt. It's because we dont prepare well enough and they do. Our game plan for them was terrible and there was two weeks to put it together. Face it, Dantonio is a master at game planning and getting his team ready for this game and we are not. It's the same way it was for us against Tressel. And until I see otherwise, like us with a lead with the clock at 0:00 Spartan Stadium next fall, I will continue to believe that.

ScooterTooter

December 21st, 2017 at 10:52 PM ^

I mean, in the Harbaugh era, it has been kind of luck hasn't it? 

2015 you could only describe as luck. There is no other way to describe how MSU won that game. 

2017 you could knock Harbaugh's game plan in the first half or point out that John O'Korn never should have been playing over Brandon Peters, but at the same time, Michigan lost the turnover battle 5-0, including fumbling on two promising drives in the first half. 

It is a fluke of all flukes that Michigan is not 2-1 against MSU in the Harbaugh era and a play or two different this year away from being 3-0. 

UMxWolverines

December 21st, 2017 at 11:20 PM ^

2015: Don't send out a regular punt protection when they're sending every guy to block it

2017: Don't send out a QB who's clearly not good enough to be playing in this game. It's not luck. It's not luck that O'Korn threw it 3 times to the other team and that we weren't good at protecting the ball. MSU did fine at not fumbling or throwing picks. 

AA Forever

December 22nd, 2017 at 7:47 AM ^

by calling three straight running plays to get a first down against a team that's stuffed your running game all afternoon.  Don't forget to tell your punter that if there's a problem with the snap, just fall on the ball.

Dantonio had his team fighting right down to the last play in 2015.  Harbaugh didn't.  That's why we lost.

ScooterTooter

December 22nd, 2017 at 10:17 AM ^

2015: All that mattered was O'Neill catching the ball. Punt protection had nothing to do with it. Trying in any way to ascribe that as a fault of Harbaugh's is madness at its highest order. You're as bad as the people who thought he should have snapped it to Peppers and had him run backwards. 

2017: Yeah, so exactly what I said. Should be 2-1, could be 3-0, mainly down to luck with some blame on Harbaugh for 2017. 

UMxWolverines

December 22nd, 2017 at 10:44 AM ^

2015: Of course it matters, that's why there are different formations for different situations, the wrong formation was called. And if there are two other Michigan players at the line to block then more than likely O'Neil gets a crappy punt off and it doesn't go right into the MSU player's hands. Football can be lost on one play and the smallest of details and it happened.

LurkingSpartan

December 22nd, 2017 at 10:06 PM ^

May I suggest: a) MSU had to play well enough for that “fluke” to be of consequence, right? Had you been up three scores, none of it matters. So we did something right. b) good teams capitalize on moments of chance opportunity. bad teams wonder “what if we had...”. One of our two fan bases spends an awful amount of time talking about “almost” this and “a foot away from” that and “a fluke and a rainstorm separating us from” whatever. It’s actually pretty nuts how you guys do that. In 2012 we lost all those games by like 3 points each, but we did not torture/soothe/delude ourselves in this way. We were just pissed and kinda defeated. Your fanbase appears immune to defeat, as if you perceive each loss as merely a stolen or unrecorded win. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I sincerely don’t mean to troll. These things seem obvious to me. Clearly they aren’t, to many of you. I’m trying to understand.

EGD

December 27th, 2017 at 8:11 AM ^

If you don’t want to troll, then perhaps don’t visit a M site and tell us all how you think we should feel about our team blowing a game on a fluke play. And just so you know, the reason people point out that the 2015 MSU loss was a fluke is not to take the credit away from your bullshit team. Nobody cares about MSU. Rather, it’s because it helps put our own team’s record in rivalry games into better perspective. When the unacceptables mob complains that “Harbaugh is only 1- 5 in rivalry games” or whatever, the subtext is basically that JH can’t win the big game—when in fact he’s consistently had the team ready to play in those games and has lost several of them because of bad officiating, dropped punt snaps, and other misfortune. The point is that M has come very close to being a championship caliber team already under JH, and could realistically arrive there by next season (as opposed to being miles away, and requiring multiple additional years of rebuilding).

LurkingSpartan

December 27th, 2017 at 12:38 PM ^

I didn’t tell anyone how they should feel; I shared my point of view. As for your notion that it’s “your” board and just my being here is an affront, well that’s a disappointing point of view. What is the damn point of anything if we refuse to entertain or engage with an even marginally contrary point of view? Is this place intended as a strict safe space for Michigan fan groupthink? If we are so precious that we can’t even handle this mildest type of “challenge” without defining it as trolling... *sigh*

MichiganForever

December 22nd, 2017 at 12:09 AM ^

Toomer, who played at Michigan from 1992-1995, compared Harbaugh to Paris Hilton. “To me, that’s not a supermodel, that’s Paris Hilton,” Toomer said on the Jamie and Stoney Show. “That’s somebody who’s given us nothing — but, ‘Oh, we’re going to Rome. Oh, we wear Michael Jordan shoes.’ I don’t care! I want to beat Michigan State, I want to beat Ohio State. That’s the passion that I have for the program.” Toomer first voiced his grievances on Dec. 9 in an interview with Chat Sports. The 13-season NFL veteran was disappointed in Jim Harbaugh’s first three seasons, specifically his inability to beat the Wolverines’ rivals. Harbaugh is 28-10 so far at his alma mater but is just 1-5 against Ohio State and Michigan State. “I’m a frustrated fan. I think that what Michigan signed up for was a Nick Saban, an Urban Meyer,” Toomer said. “We signed up for somebody who was going to come in and change the culture. I mean, he had a great first year. The first two years I was excited, but last year he had his best team and they lose to Ohio State? That was a heartbreaker.” Toomer added: “And this year they lose to Ohio State embarrassingly. They lose to Michigan State, another embarrassment. I just think that we deserve better than this. He’s getting paid as one of the great coaches in college football that can make chicken soup out of chicken parts, and he’s just not doing that.”

Wolfman

December 22nd, 2017 at 1:58 AM ^

and you were a wide receiver? You must have used telepathy instead of vision. Then we get some guy talking about the most freakish punt attempt in history like bringing in your gunners would have resulted in the punter hanging onto the ball and somehow having another qb he could have snared out of thin air to play OSU this year.  Strange people calling themselves Michigan fans. 

I'm not one of those that keep yelling "next year" because No.1, I think it sounds pathetic and No.2 I realize, without more than a reasonable amont of luck. it takes a few years to build a program that is set up to win at a very high and consistent basis. So i'm calling this season. I called it before Patterson, and I expect Peters to lead us, but i don't think he was set to lead us this season.  Notwithstanding the above, and we'll never know, but that damn injury to Speight in 2016 might have made this season look just terrible with anything above 2 losses.  My goodness, to think we were 6 pts from winning 13 and losing 0, minus the cfb playoffs, of course, is fricking incredible.  And anyone willing to quickly shout out the names and numbers of the starters Harbaugh recruited on that team.HINT:  There was one starter on the OL after the midway pt of the season.  So yeah, much like Urban and Nick, he enjoyed an abuncance of highly skilled upperclassmen to call on. My friends, just like with the Ruddock qb coaching job in 2015, that was an incredible coaching job. 

But I heard so much last season after those losses and the same this season even with two qbs going down. I really don't mind fans questioning the coach - part of the game and lord knows I've done enough of it on my own in the past. However, the thing I'm pissed about is i was agreeing with many of those on this site making remarks like the above. Let's say those not really thinking things through. I either forgot just how small our margin for error was,all the inexeperience, praying we were going to get a good game from the qb because we sure in hell could not write it down, that despite all the bitching about recruiting, that's the only reason we won a few of our games beause we had more talent. I actually forgot how good our coach is. So yeah, I'm going with 2018 as the year it all comes together. i just know this is our man. I know a lot about the game and I know 2018 is the year Michigan won't have to offer excuses any longer.  GO BLUE!!!

YouRFree

December 21st, 2017 at 9:06 PM ^

I am with you on this one. Not that I want to give credit to MSU, but they play us with 120% while we only save the plays for OSU. Our mantality needs to be changed from fan base, media (Sam Webb, etc. ) to player and coach. It's always uphil battle to play MSU+ref. Even our talent is supposed to be better on paper, the coach still need to bring the team to be at least 100% for MSU game to be able to win.

Bodogblog

December 21st, 2017 at 8:44 PM ^

I think the OL will be a strength next year, finally. That's off-season optimism, but it's already good on the ground.  Yes we lose Cole.  It's college football, everybody loses someone.  

Bredeson, Ruiz, Onwenu, and JBB are all effectively starters and return.  Someone will be below average but not disastrous at LT.  This blog downs JBB and he's been terrible at times in pass pro.  But he kills it on the ground.  I think he works and improves this off-season. 

If the QB is right, everything on the offense is all systems go. 

Bodogblog

December 21st, 2017 at 9:25 PM ^

By who?  You?  This blog?  

JBB is the starter at RT.  There will be a competition he'll have to win, as with most positions, and I think he will. 

But if you went to Schembechler Hall and said "It's been determined that JBB is not expected to be a starter if we have other options," I'm sure they'd laugh you out of the building. 

Bodogblog

December 21st, 2017 at 10:07 PM ^

That's great news, he's looked good in his limited time. But you don't dismiss a returning starter at tackle when you have no tackles. 

EDIT: remember they thought Ulizio was going to be the guy last year. I hope he hasn't been abandoned.  But until I see something different, I'll assume a bone crusher on the ground and a too-often liability in pass pro will keep that job.  Yes I know 5th year players don't often improve, but get him in Glick working those feet all offseason.  

Whole Milk

December 22nd, 2017 at 9:00 AM ^

I actually think you could afford to lose to either MSU or ND. I expect MSU to be better, but not likely to only lose 1 or 2 games. I do not underestimate them when they play us because they have proven that they deserve to be taken seriously, but I think their performances against NW and OSU showed that they are not ready yet to win the division, and I am not sure they will be a ton better next year.

I think OSU is the only must win, with us needing to win one of the other two to be able to to make the playoffs. Obviously Wisconsin and Penn State aren't going to be picnics either, but like the teams potential. All we can do is wait and see what this team looks like come September 1.

DrMantisToboggan

December 21st, 2017 at 10:52 PM ^

I disagree that any of them will be excellent. I think MSU will be slightly better next year compared to their average team this year. I think they were a 7-5 unit this year that got 9 wins, I think they'll be an 8-4ish team next year. I think Notre Dame will be a little worse next year. They played UGA close early in the year, but got crushed by Miami and Stanford, who I don't think are better than we are, down the stretch. I think OSU will be about the same to very slightly worse. I think they'll be a 10-2 or 11-1 team next year. They'll lose a chunk of starters on D, their two best OL, and Barrett. They'll be as beatable next year in Columbus as they were this year in Ann Arbor, in my opinion. 

 

No team on our schedule next year makes me think that we can't go into Columbus 11-0.

The Fan in Fargo

December 22nd, 2017 at 12:58 AM ^

I don't know what games you've been watching but the offensive line isn't a concern you big dumb dipshit. Many people said the bucnuts defensive line was the best in the nation this year. The Michigan offensive line held their own all game and actually bitch slapped them many times out there. If you didn't see that, you're blind and should shut the fuck up!!

MichiganMan_24_

December 21st, 2017 at 8:36 PM ^

If the offense can take a big step forward..Our defense could be even better if given the help from the offense. The OLine is the biggest need of improvement, QB decision making is the other..Black and DPJ on the outsides should improve in yr 2..The defense is ready

evenyoubrutus

December 21st, 2017 at 8:42 PM ^

If we were looking at any other team - returning 9 starters on defense and 8 on offense, with tons of 5 star and top 100 recruits starting all over the place, we would be expecting a top 5 team. But it's Michigan so us PTSD fans have to assume we are gonna under perform.

newtopos

December 21st, 2017 at 10:22 PM ^

Depending on whether Shea Patterson is available, we will have either three or four 5-star recruits on the field next year.  (DPJ, Gary, Solomon, Patterson.)  

In contrast, OSU signed five 5-star players in their 2017 recruiting class alone.  They just picked off nine top-100 signees in this year's class, while we have none signed so far.  They had 11 last year.

If you were looking just at our recruiting ranks (without knowing it was Michigan), there would no reason to put us in the top 5.  Alabama, OSU, Georgia, FSU, and USC would easily beat us out.  

Bodogblog

December 22nd, 2017 at 9:55 AM ^

Michigan had 11 players ranked in the top 138 players last year.  That's essentially equivalent, because the difference between 100 and 138 is not meaningful.  

M has not yet recruited as well as OSU.  That doesn't dismiss the fact that they've recruited at an elite level.  #5 class last year.  

Larry Appleton

December 21st, 2017 at 8:45 PM ^

Klatt’s been a big Michigan supporter the past few years, but he’s reaching a bit far here. Top-10 is a safe call. Top-3 would be a big surprise.

EGD

December 22nd, 2017 at 7:46 AM ^

Count?  What's that supposed to mean?

The 2016 team was really good.  They could have won every game.  It didn't happen  They were a few plays away from a B1G title and CFP appearance.  

The 2018 team should be just as good, and probably better at the QB, RB, and LB positions.  Maybe things will turn out better for the 2018 team.  

Looking at the 2016 team provides some guidance as to how much better the 2018 team will need to play in order to get over the hump.  They'll need to be a few plays better.  Do you really not understand that, or are you just trying to antagonize?

 

jerseyblue

December 21st, 2017 at 8:46 PM ^

I'm taking baby steps towards next year. First tell me Winovich is coming back. Tthen I need to see how the QB/OT position battles go. Then if those go well I will allow myself to get a little giddy.