OT: Former MSU offensive lineman Thiyo Lukusa to Arizona

and Narduzzi was the ONLY one of Dantoni's coaches with ambition/upward mobility and it showed in his level of aggressiveness.

He was probably their most effective and energetic recruiter as well.

Even though I think we will remain OK with Jim at the helm, I hope that Narduzzi sees the writing on the wall in the B1G east and stays away from MSU when they come calling post-Dontario.  Sometimes I just want to see the world/couches/MSU burn.

As for the technical points and stats referenced above, I think there is some truth to people figuring weaknesses in the quarters defense that Narduzzi and MSU run BUT at Pitt and 2016 MSUit had as much to do with the personnel (sp?) as scheme.  MSU was dominant when they had NFL-level corners and safeties with a strong D-line and supporting cast.  I always refer back to Deveon's first run in last years' game.  The commentator noted and highlighted that they ran the same double A gap blitz on that play to stop the run that they always had but didn't have the players to pull it off.

I guess he's like their PJ Fleck. I don't know if PJ is a good Xs and Os guy, but I am sure his enthusiasm accounted for a few points a game.

1) Harbaugh will hurt them, badly, but any losses in recruiting have had minimal impact so far. MSU even won a few recruiting battles in 2016. As far as 2017 goes, MSU doesn't usually rely on true freshmen to provide much.

2) Good point about Urban not steering his in-state plan B's to MSU, but Tressel took more of those players for himself. Which had the bigger impact?

3) Durkin probably won't matter much and his impact will all be in the future anyhow.

4) Yeah, although Dantonio was doing very well before that happened.

In any case, MSU's woes aren't tied to a decline in their recruiting. Their classes got better. At least they were higher ranked. It's hard not to feel they missed out on capitalizing on their success, which may tie in to my point below.

My take on what has hurt MSU, a stale coaching staff that hasn't adjusted. In other words, complacency. That may have carried over to discipline as well. Losing their best assistant hurt more than it should have. We lose Durkin and Harbaugh finds Don Brown. What did Dantonio do? James Franklin's offense sucks and he brings in Joe Moorhead. What would Dantonio do?

Am responding to multiple posts with my thoughts...

1.  MSU is a 4-8 team right now...  but Lewerke is a good player and I think is underrated here, and looked good against us, being so young. I like the way he attacks downfield. Him and LJ Scott are gonna be very good players.  Their OL is gonna get creamed by us, truly.

2. I wonder if their downfall attributed more to the psychology of Harbaugh disarming Dantoni's hate machine... let me explain here... there is nothing on this planet more unifying than a common enemy, and Dantoni milked it perfectly, it brought all of them together and they did very well... now, Harbaugh comes in, and says publicly akin to Dantoni doing perhaps the greatest coaching job of all time.... when he said that I knew it was contrived, man I was so proud of Jimmy, that is exceptional mastery of psychology.... a lifelong coach like Dantoni strives for that exact thing, being acknowledged by peers...  and look, since then Dantoni has shut up, and since then theyve gone into a tailspin, and Dantoni's disrespekt bomb was just disactivated it seems. After that Dantoni couldnt' go in media with ire and bitch and complain about us dissing them, riling up their nation and unifying, because it'd make it worse and he'd come accross poorly.  Instead, its been one transfer and incident after another. I mean, Harbaugh gave him the best compliment one could give, and the irony is fascinating.

3. I acknowledge their downfall may have correlated with Narduzzi leaving, but I think if anything its more with Cook graduating.....but I believe more of # 2 above.  I hope someone agrees with me here.

4. If Dantoni goes, is it accepted that Narduzzi follows? Or does Narduzzi stay at Pitt and build them instead???

Sister Sledge - no "s" on the end.  That song was made famous by the 1979 Pirates led who adopted it as their theme song on their way to the World Series.