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01/15/2019 - 3:49pm This is either cool or…

This is either cool or ridiculous. Or both.

01/15/2019 - 3:20pm I had great pad level too…

I had great pad level too when I was in 1st Grade. Good bend, low center of mass. Couldn't reach the darn microwave to get my mac-n-cheese though, so I was a bit underweight.

01/13/2019 - 11:42pm I probably disagree with…

I probably disagree with Brian more than I agree with him, but in this case he's on to something.

There's a tendency in matters like this to try to make up for the lack of previous action by acting immediately -- before a true understanding is obtained. That's not justice, it's impetuousness, and too often the underlying impetus has less to do with protecting others or righting wrongs, and more to do with positioning oneself on the moral high ground.

01/10/2019 - 6:31pm Courtesy of Eric Upchurch:

Courtesy of Eric Upchurch:

"Whooaaaa! He has trouble with the staff!"

01/10/2019 - 6:13pm The men of Charlie Company…

The men of Charlie Company had been in the field for two weeks wearing the same gear when the Sargent announces:

"I've got good news and bad news. 

First the good news. 

Today we are going to get to change our underwear."

The troops start cheering wildly.

"Now the bad news," continues the Sarge. 

"Smith, you change with Jones. Andrews, you change with Murphy..." 

01/10/2019 - 12:51am Well stated.

Well stated.

01/08/2019 - 12:57pm Yes, that's what Harbaugh is…

Yes, that's what Harbaugh is, and what we hired. But we also hired him to win, and to succeed against the best competition. We didn't hire RichRod 2.0 who was determined to run his scheme whether his personnel fit it or not, and refuse to adapt if his team struggled to succeed in certain situations.

I like Harbaugh's approach when it works. Nothing better to me than running the ball down your opponent's throat Bo-style because you can and they can't stop you. But if you can't do that against say, OSU, if you're a good coach you better come up with a better plan. We already had a Johnny-one-note coach and he got broomed in large part because he couldn't adapt to reality (and ignored the D).

01/08/2019 - 12:24pm Well, crap.

Should be quite…

Well, crap.

Should be quite the test for Harbaugh to see how he reconstitutes his staff, and what changes are made to enhance the offense and tweak the defense. Need to figure out a more effective play-calling structure than what we had this season, and Don Brown needs to keep his machine going while at the same time changing it so that it deals more effectively with teams that exploit our tendencies.

Feels like the "shine" on the program is wearing thin. It's put up or shut up time.

12/30/2018 - 1:52pm Bo and Carr didnt have 3-4…

Bo and Carr didnt have 3-4 gimme games against Western Michigan, an academy and Rutgers and Maryland in conference. 

No, but Bo had plenty of "Big 2, Little 8" games where the game was essentially over at halftime (and in the 70's you could walk in for free at halftime -- the ticket takers left at halftime for all but the OSU or MSU games).  We didn't have Rutgers and Maryland but we had their equivalents several times over. Maybe one or two of the Little 8 were decent, the rest were punching bags for UM and OSU.

In Bo's 70's typically 0 or 1 of the Little 8 would be ranked in the Top 20. In the 80's 1 or 2 would be. 

By the early 90's it was more like 4-5 ranked teams, and as high as 7 Big 10 teams in the Top 20 (in 1999).

The 2000's averaged 4 ranked Big 10 teams and in this decade it's been 3-6, of course with more than ten teams in the conference.

Bo enjoyed a softer overall schedule than subsequent coaches. Not that he wasn't a very good coach, but let's not revise history.

12/29/2018 - 5:58pm I don't really care if Brian…

I don't really care if Brian writes another article for this site or not. If he's burnt out then he should be smart enough to find his replacement, from a writing perspective. If he can't provide compelling commentary on a regular basis, himself or via proxy, then why not move the forum to reddit or something and close the site down.

12/29/2018 - 5:50pm Top-3 compensation, at a Top…

Yippee, double post.

12/29/2018 - 5:50pm Top-3 compensation, at a Top…

Top-3 compensation, at a Top-10 reputation football school shouldn't yield merely Top-15 performance. Something's out of whack here.

It takes a special (bad) coach to be average here, and an average coach to be good. With what we're paying for coaching and with the advantages we have with facilities, tradition and reputation we ought to be consistently excellent. And we're not. The finger has to point at the coaches, starting with Harbaugh.

12/29/2018 - 5:41pm Well, with the aggregate…

Well, with the aggregate performance over the last four seasons and particularly the last two games, it seems Harbaugh's coaching, game time management, offensive scheme and play input, and defensive adjustments (yes, I know, D Brown, but the buck stops with Jim) haven't been worth the $30 million he's been compensated. Underperforming/overpaid, take your choice, but I'm not impressed.

Michigan is still clearly not in the top tier of performance despite being in the top tier of compensation.

12/21/2018 - 5:09pm Vanderbilt has gone to more…

Vanderbilt has gone to more bowl games than Tennessee since 2008. Accomplish something, then talk.

12/21/2018 - 4:12pm Good thing no NFL games are…

Good thing no NFL games are ever played in cold weather.

11/20/2018 - 6:16pm Is that really paranoia?…

Is that really paranoia? Seems more like extreme partisanship to me. Like folks who'll not patronize some mega-billion company because their CEO supports the wrong party or cause. They don't have an irrational fear that someone/something means to do them harm, they just have an extreme reaction to something they oppose.

10/15/2018 - 1:30am Way to go Sparty shopping…

Way to go Sparty shopping cart stealer. You stole Sears' only cart and forced them to declare bankruptcy.

09/01/2018 - 11:49pm Michigan Rushing Yards: 290

Michigan Rushing Yards: 290



Wisc 58

OSU 100

SC 74

ND 58


Yeah, that'll win you a lot of games. Ave 72.5 yds rushing per game. Good Lord.

09/01/2018 - 11:19pm O-line? What O-line?

O-line? What O-line?

09/01/2018 - 11:13pm This is what an 8-figure…

This is what an 8-figure coaching staff looks like?

08/15/2018 - 12:18am Contrast this:

I came of…

Contrast this:

I came of football cognizant age (7) in 1969. Hail Bo. 3 losses.

Starting in '70, from 3rd grade through 12th grade I experience 0, 1 and 2 loss seasons only (except for 4-loss 1979, but I kinda discovered weed that year, so, pain was dulled). 21 total losses in 11 seasons.


My son becomes M football cognizant in '08. Rich Rod baby!

9 losses

7 losses

6 losses

2 losses

5 losses

6 losses

7 losses

3 losses

3 losses

5 losses

53 total losses in just 10 years, compared to 21 losses in my 11 years.

Poor kid has watched 32 more losses than I did and he still has a season to go. It took me another 11 years after HS to witness that many losses. Sometimes I'm surprised he's still a M fan.

08/11/2018 - 1:55am The background info in the…

The background info in the new ESPN article comes from numerous current and former players and former staff members and essentially says it's Durkin's culture, and he and the strength coach were like peas in a pod. Obligatory IF this is all true, it's really, really bad.

Which makes me wonder how things were in his area of operations when he was here. I don't recall hearing about things like this, but these are the kind of things that absent something extreme happening, players and staff are just going to keep their mouths shut about.

08/10/2018 - 1:25pm And Don Brown (2015 BC) is…

And Don Brown (2015 BC) is tied with Don Brown (2016 Michigan) at #3 for fewest points in a season, 183.

[How do you embed tweets?]

08/09/2018 - 5:25pm What you say is true, there…

What you say is true, there's been a relative shift from state support to tuition. There's also been an overwhelming level of growth in non-instructional staff and in the physical plant. 

From a Forbes article discussing Michigan professor Mark Perry's analysis of one category of staffers:

Mark Perry, an economics professor at the University of Michigan at Flint and a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, recently calculated that his university has nearly 100 diversity administrators, more than 25 of them earning over $100,000 a year (see chart below). Collectively, they cost the University of Michigan, with fringe benefits, about $11 million annually. Adding in other costs such as travel and office space expenses, the total cost rises to perhaps $14 million, or $300 for every enrolled student at the U of M in the fall semester 2017.

08/09/2018 - 5:16pm Gotta disagree with you on…

Gotta disagree with you on the pay of K-12 teachers and of professors. Professors have to rise through a very competitive landscape to get to where they are. They're usually pretty competent and expert in their fields (discounting the occasional whack-job that gets press for their stupid political ideas). The ones that make the big bucks tend to be in top level business or medical schools. Your assistant profs or lecturers in say, English, aren't making bank.

In the state of Michigan however, K-12 teachers generally are doing pretty well. Despite our educational results plummeting toward the bottom of the list of 50 states, our teachers have the 11th highest pay in the nation. More importantly, the 10 states above us have much higher costs-of-living, e.g. California, NY, Mass, NJ, etc. When adjusted for cost-of-living, Michigan teacher salaries are #1 in the nation. #1. And our results, frankly, suck.

That "underpaid teacher" meme has been promoted for decades and isn't true in Michigan except in the worst districts. And having known a few of those teachers, they're probably paid on par with their ability, but they just suck. It's circular, of course, the lowest-paying districts tend to have to settle for some well-below-average performers.

07/18/2018 - 12:57pm Did you get a loan?

Did you get a loan?

07/18/2018 - 12:42pm I was surprised as well when…

I was surprised as well when the new site was revealed. I cringed a little for the Brian since he surely wrote a sizable check, and what he got was at least to many outside MGo, disappointing.

I don't have a web or IT background and like most things, I'm sure it's ten or one hundred times harder and more complicated than someone like I would think, but there are so many decent looking, functional forums out there that it seems it would almost be hard to develop a sub-par one in 2018.

There are over 50 forums in my bookmarks, for work-related things, hobbies, car and house fixing -- some with enormous user bases, and some ultra niche. Yet all strike me as more aesthetically pleasing and more functional than MGo. I'm left wondering "Why?"

07/18/2018 - 12:33pm PRO TIP ^^^^^


You're not…

PRO TIP ^^^^^


You're not the only one. I check directly for his comments a few times a week since I'm not spending as much time on the boards anymore.

07/17/2018 - 9:45pm Yes.


Look and…



  • Look and feel of the site
  • Various annoying endemic bugs
  • Seeming lackadaisical attitude toward site design, bugs, user feedback
  • "Do as I say not as I do" political postings from Brian

All of which seem to display a certain lack of consideration for the visitor which is rarely found on other successful internet sites.

I come here for info, entertainment and enjoyment. The long-running site inadequacies, the apparent indifference or incompetence displayed in getting them fixed or improved, and the crystal clear attitude conveyed that this is less a customer-focused fan website and more a personality-driven "vanity" project all combine to make me less apt to come here than ever.

A boutique craft store opened up near me a few years back. An affluent local housewife/artist wanted a store that expressed her personality and taste. A minor portion of what she had was pretty nice, but most was simply a collection of what she liked, customer desires be damned. I guess she ran through her capital because she's out of business now. This site reminds me in some ways to that craft store. Some good, even great content, but not professionally run, and too subject to the whimsies of the proprietor.

It takes some effort to drive someone like me away, someone with maize and blue blood running through their veins. Well, MGo was up to the challenge. I've gone from several times a day to a few times a week. And my formerly strong loyalty is shot. If someone else starts a better M fan website, I'm there without missing a beat. Sorry, but when you run a site like you would a personal blog where you don't care what the reader thinks, well, don't be surprised if someone creates a better mousetrap and takes over.

07/13/2018 - 1:17pm I'm still seeing randomly…

I'm still seeing randomly blued-in thumbs on random posts that I haven't voted on, much less even seen before.

07/13/2018 - 1:15pm "Rutgers coach Chris Ash did…

"Rutgers coach Chris Ash did not respond to when they reached out for a comment."

He was trying to think of something more eloquent than "Oh, shit".

07/03/2018 - 12:43am Sorry, I guess the image…

Sorry, I guess the image that showed up in my preview didn't make it over to the actual post. A minor detail that I'm sure will be fixed promptly.

No matter, we'd rather talk (read) politics anyway.

07/03/2018 - 12:38am (No subject)

Aw jeez, not this shit again

06/13/2018 - 9:51pm What's with the bad air…

What's with the bad air quality? I didn't think there was that much heavy industry in Kzoo.

Fumes wafting in from Gary, IN?

06/13/2018 - 9:48pm It's tough. My daughter…

It's tough. My daughter applied this year and got waitlisted. She's heading off to State (kill me) with hopes of transferring after Freshman year.

3.7 (weighted, so not great), 99% verbal but 70% math. 10 AP classes. Lots of extra-curriculars, leadership, NHS, 4-year varsity swimmer.

Her math grades and test scores killed her. She's just not a math person. Total opposite of me.

06/13/2018 - 9:39pm No way in hell I would get…

No way in hell I would get into UM Engineering today. Absolutely no way.

3.1 GPA in HS. No AP classes. Senior year of HS I took three classes -- Creative Writing (the easiest English class), Computer Math (the easiest math) and a 2-hour Auto Shop class. SAT high 13XX obviously helped, but compared to kids today? No way. I probably wouldn't get into MSU today either.

Ended up getting a better GPA in Engineering that I did in HS. Worked a lot harder too.

06/11/2018 - 3:32pm But in a wierd development,…

But in a wierd development, when I commented on your post and on one further up the page, it took me to page 2 even though I hadn't finished reading page 1. I don't pretend to understand web development but that ain't right.

06/11/2018 - 3:29pm I can see the vote buttons…

I can see the vote buttons and gave you an up.

06/11/2018 - 3:24pm I can see them (and gave you…

I can see them (and gave you an up) but my 3-digit point total is a bit higher than some others. Maybe there's an unknown cutoff point?

And I've seen a blued-in up thumb on a post that I didn't vote on, or even see before. When I click on the blue thumb it increased the vote number. Click again, and the number decreases and the thumb goes back to white.

I used to have a car where the radio only worked if you hit the bottom of the dash with something heavy. Maybe I need to try that here.

06/06/2018 - 12:52pm Great news. Had me a bit…

Great news. Had me a bit concerned. Nice to have the coaches we have now in FB, BB and Hockey.

05/23/2018 - 12:47am I miss Bob Ufer broadcasting

I miss Bob Ufer broadcasting the games.

I miss watching games at Michigan Stadium and not having to watch Mr. Redhat to see if we were ever going to get back to playing football.

I miss the lack of video (except for live action or replays).

I miss the lack of (non UM Marching Band) music.

I miss beating the shit out of almost everyone on a regular basis.

05/10/2018 - 5:10pm For a country founded on

For a country founded on individual liberty, it's pretty scary to know someone thinks people should be punished if they belong to a group that statistically offends at a higher rate.

05/10/2018 - 4:44pm May your peculiarly strident

May your peculiarly strident unreasonableness visit upon you in a non-life threatening but mind-opening way.

05/10/2018 - 3:59pm Remember me?

Remember me?

05/10/2018 - 1:54pm BSME here as well, from back

BSME here as well, from back in the 80's. I think the curve was closer to a 2.5 average then. The coursework was extremely tough and required way more time than my liberal arts housemates had to put in. I recall leaving the UGLi at midnight Friday to get ready to go out after 6 hours of after dinner studying. But it built something in you in terms of toughness and rigorous thinking.

I attended a well-known MBA program as well. The workload was heavy in terms of time, but the intellectual difficulty was absolutely nothing like engineering.

Alas, I never did engineering after graduation as my career path and interests were more business focused. I appreciate what it gave me in terms of thinking ability, but there were certainly easier ways to get a degree.

05/10/2018 - 1:44pm You may want to read the 2014

You may want to read the 2014 Washington Post fact checker on the source of the 3 in 100 stat and how accurate it is (spoiler: it's not). They gave the Enliven Project's popular graphic and stats 3 Pinocchios.

05/09/2018 - 11:35pm Louisiana heat and humidity

Louisiana heat and humidity shouldn't bother a 320 lb lad. He'll just need to drink a gallon of water per hour in July and August.

05/06/2018 - 6:22pm We'll just have to keep a TE

We'll just have to keep a TE in on passing downs. And maybe a fullback. And work out of the howitzer (QB twice as far back as in the shotgun.)

05/03/2018 - 5:58pm That was a great story, and

That was a great story, and well-written.

About five years ago we adopted a puppy from a local animal rescue place. As sometimes happens, the animal rescue where the dog was found wandering along a country road, in Ohio, was full. As such, they needed to find another one to take her or it might be lights out for her. So, being that she came from Ohio to a much brighter future up here in Michigan, we named her "Bo" after another who came from an inauspicious start in Ohio to become a beloved Michigander.

05/02/2018 - 1:55pm I don't understand the

I don't understand the downvotes mGrowOld [it was 0 up, 3 down when I wrote this]. For all of Harbaugh's strengths, he failed in how  he structured the staff and what he had the staff implement.

I like your CEO of Michigan Football description. He has full control over who he hires and which football strategies they employ with their players. If the structure of his "managers" and their "departments" was flawed, it was determined by JH. If what they tried to execute didn't match up well with the capabilities of the players, or of the coaches responsible for ground-level implementation, that ultimately is a JH misread.

I love having Harbaugh as our coach, and I wouldn't want him to leave either. I'm certainly not calling for his head. But I think, if we dare be objective about our beloved UM football, we have to admit that Jim created some of the mess we were in last year, and he bears responsibliity for that. I'm surprised that, given his experience and high level of success at numerous stops, he didn't see how the staff structure and the concepts employed were not going to be successful. UFR -1 for JH for that.