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10/15/2018 - 1:30am Way to go Sparty shopping…

Way to go Sparty shopping cart stealer. You stole Sears' only cart and forced them to declare bankruptcy.

09/01/2018 - 11:49pm Michigan Rushing Yards: 290

Michigan Rushing Yards: 290



Wisc 58

OSU 100

SC 74

ND 58


Yeah, that'll win you a lot of games. Ave 72.5 yds rushing per game. Good Lord.

09/01/2018 - 11:19pm O-line? What O-line?

O-line? What O-line?

09/01/2018 - 11:13pm This is what an 8-figure…

This is what an 8-figure coaching staff looks like?

08/15/2018 - 12:18am Contrast this:

I came of…

Contrast this:

I came of football cognizant age (7) in 1969. Hail Bo. 3 losses.

Starting in '70, from 3rd grade through 12th grade I experience 0, 1 and 2 loss seasons only (except for 4-loss 1979, but I kinda discovered weed that year, so, pain was dulled). 21 total losses in 11 seasons.


My son becomes M football cognizant in '08. Rich Rod baby!

9 losses

7 losses

6 losses

2 losses

5 losses

6 losses

7 losses

3 losses

3 losses

5 losses

53 total losses in just 10 years, compared to 21 losses in my 11 years.

Poor kid has watched 32 more losses than I did and he still has a season to go. It took me another 11 years after HS to witness that many losses. Sometimes I'm surprised he's still a M fan.

08/11/2018 - 1:55am The background info in the…

The background info in the new ESPN article comes from numerous current and former players and former staff members and essentially says it's Durkin's culture, and he and the strength coach were like peas in a pod. Obligatory IF this is all true, it's really, really bad.

Which makes me wonder how things were in his area of operations when he was here. I don't recall hearing about things like this, but these are the kind of things that absent something extreme happening, players and staff are just going to keep their mouths shut about.

08/10/2018 - 1:25pm And Don Brown (2015 BC) is…

And Don Brown (2015 BC) is tied with Don Brown (2016 Michigan) at #3 for fewest points in a season, 183.

[How do you embed tweets?]

08/09/2018 - 5:25pm What you say is true, there…

What you say is true, there's been a relative shift from state support to tuition. There's also been an overwhelming level of growth in non-instructional staff and in the physical plant. 

From a Forbes article discussing Michigan professor Mark Perry's analysis of one category of staffers:

Mark Perry, an economics professor at the University of Michigan at Flint and a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, recently calculated that his university has nearly 100 diversity administrators, more than 25 of them earning over $100,000 a year (see chart below). Collectively, they cost the University of Michigan, with fringe benefits, about $11 million annually. Adding in other costs such as travel and office space expenses, the total cost rises to perhaps $14 million, or $300 for every enrolled student at the U of M in the fall semester 2017.

08/09/2018 - 5:16pm Gotta disagree with you on…

Gotta disagree with you on the pay of K-12 teachers and of professors. Professors have to rise through a very competitive landscape to get to where they are. They're usually pretty competent and expert in their fields (discounting the occasional whack-job that gets press for their stupid political ideas). The ones that make the big bucks tend to be in top level business or medical schools. Your assistant profs or lecturers in say, English, aren't making bank.

In the state of Michigan however, K-12 teachers generally are doing pretty well. Despite our educational results plummeting toward the bottom of the list of 50 states, our teachers have the 11th highest pay in the nation. More importantly, the 10 states above us have much higher costs-of-living, e.g. California, NY, Mass, NJ, etc. When adjusted for cost-of-living, Michigan teacher salaries are #1 in the nation. #1. And our results, frankly, suck.

That "underpaid teacher" meme has been promoted for decades and isn't true in Michigan except in the worst districts. And having known a few of those teachers, they're probably paid on par with their ability, but they just suck. It's circular, of course, the lowest-paying districts tend to have to settle for some well-below-average performers.

07/18/2018 - 12:57pm Did you get a loan?

Did you get a loan?

07/18/2018 - 12:42pm I was surprised as well when…

I was surprised as well when the new site was revealed. I cringed a little for the Brian since he surely wrote a sizable check, and what he got was at least to many outside MGo, disappointing.

I don't have a web or IT background and like most things, I'm sure it's ten or one hundred times harder and more complicated than someone like I would think, but there are so many decent looking, functional forums out there that it seems it would almost be hard to develop a sub-par one in 2018.

There are over 50 forums in my bookmarks, for work-related things, hobbies, car and house fixing -- some with enormous user bases, and some ultra niche. Yet all strike me as more aesthetically pleasing and more functional than MGo. I'm left wondering "Why?"

07/18/2018 - 12:33pm PRO TIP ^^^^^


You're not…

PRO TIP ^^^^^


You're not the only one. I check directly for his comments a few times a week since I'm not spending as much time on the boards anymore.

07/17/2018 - 9:45pm Yes.


Look and…



  • Look and feel of the site
  • Various annoying endemic bugs
  • Seeming lackadaisical attitude toward site design, bugs, user feedback
  • "Do as I say not as I do" political postings from Brian

All of which seem to display a certain lack of consideration for the visitor which is rarely found on other successful internet sites.

I come here for info, entertainment and enjoyment. The long-running site inadequacies, the apparent indifference or incompetence displayed in getting them fixed or improved, and the crystal clear attitude conveyed that this is less a customer-focused fan website and more a personality-driven "vanity" project all combine to make me less apt to come here than ever.

A boutique craft store opened up near me a few years back. An affluent local housewife/artist wanted a store that expressed her personality and taste. A minor portion of what she had was pretty nice, but most was simply a collection of what she liked, customer desires be damned. I guess she ran through her capital because she's out of business now. This site reminds me in some ways to that craft store. Some good, even great content, but not professionally run, and too subject to the whimsies of the proprietor.

It takes some effort to drive someone like me away, someone with maize and blue blood running through their veins. Well, MGo was up to the challenge. I've gone from several times a day to a few times a week. And my formerly strong loyalty is shot. If someone else starts a better M fan website, I'm there without missing a beat. Sorry, but when you run a site like you would a personal blog where you don't care what the reader thinks, well, don't be surprised if someone creates a better mousetrap and takes over.

07/13/2018 - 1:17pm I'm still seeing randomly…

I'm still seeing randomly blued-in thumbs on random posts that I haven't voted on, much less even seen before.

07/13/2018 - 1:15pm "Rutgers coach Chris Ash did…

"Rutgers coach Chris Ash did not respond to when they reached out for a comment."

He was trying to think of something more eloquent than "Oh, shit".

07/03/2018 - 12:43am Sorry, I guess the image…

Sorry, I guess the image that showed up in my preview didn't make it over to the actual post. A minor detail that I'm sure will be fixed promptly.

No matter, we'd rather talk (read) politics anyway.

07/03/2018 - 12:38am (No subject)

Aw jeez, not this shit again

06/13/2018 - 9:51pm What's with the bad air…

What's with the bad air quality? I didn't think there was that much heavy industry in Kzoo.

Fumes wafting in from Gary, IN?

06/13/2018 - 9:48pm It's tough. My daughter…

It's tough. My daughter applied this year and got waitlisted. She's heading off to State (kill me) with hopes of transferring after Freshman year.

3.7 (weighted, so not great), 99% verbal but 70% math. 10 AP classes. Lots of extra-curriculars, leadership, NHS, 4-year varsity swimmer.

Her math grades and test scores killed her. She's just not a math person. Total opposite of me.

06/13/2018 - 9:39pm No way in hell I would get…

No way in hell I would get into UM Engineering today. Absolutely no way.

3.1 GPA in HS. No AP classes. Senior year of HS I took three classes -- Creative Writing (the easiest English class), Computer Math (the easiest math) and a 2-hour Auto Shop class. SAT high 13XX obviously helped, but compared to kids today? No way. I probably wouldn't get into MSU today either.

Ended up getting a better GPA in Engineering that I did in HS. Worked a lot harder too.

06/11/2018 - 3:32pm But in a wierd development,…

But in a wierd development, when I commented on your post and on one further up the page, it took me to page 2 even though I hadn't finished reading page 1. I don't pretend to understand web development but that ain't right.

06/11/2018 - 3:29pm I can see the vote buttons…

I can see the vote buttons and gave you an up.

06/11/2018 - 3:24pm I can see them (and gave you…

I can see them (and gave you an up) but my 3-digit point total is a bit higher than some others. Maybe there's an unknown cutoff point?

And I've seen a blued-in up thumb on a post that I didn't vote on, or even see before. When I click on the blue thumb it increased the vote number. Click again, and the number decreases and the thumb goes back to white.

I used to have a car where the radio only worked if you hit the bottom of the dash with something heavy. Maybe I need to try that here.

06/06/2018 - 12:52pm Great news. Had me a bit…

Great news. Had me a bit concerned. Nice to have the coaches we have now in FB, BB and Hockey.

05/23/2018 - 12:47am I miss Bob Ufer broadcasting

I miss Bob Ufer broadcasting the games.

I miss watching games at Michigan Stadium and not having to watch Mr. Redhat to see if we were ever going to get back to playing football.

I miss the lack of video (except for live action or replays).

I miss the lack of (non UM Marching Band) music.

I miss beating the shit out of almost everyone on a regular basis.

05/10/2018 - 5:10pm For a country founded on

For a country founded on individual liberty, it's pretty scary to know someone thinks people should be punished if they belong to a group that statistically offends at a higher rate.

05/10/2018 - 4:44pm May your peculiarly strident

May your peculiarly strident unreasonableness visit upon you in a non-life threatening but mind-opening way.

05/10/2018 - 3:59pm Remember me?

Remember me?

05/10/2018 - 1:54pm BSME here as well, from back

BSME here as well, from back in the 80's. I think the curve was closer to a 2.5 average then. The coursework was extremely tough and required way more time than my liberal arts housemates had to put in. I recall leaving the UGLi at midnight Friday to get ready to go out after 6 hours of after dinner studying. But it built something in you in terms of toughness and rigorous thinking.

I attended a well-known MBA program as well. The workload was heavy in terms of time, but the intellectual difficulty was absolutely nothing like engineering.

Alas, I never did engineering after graduation as my career path and interests were more business focused. I appreciate what it gave me in terms of thinking ability, but there were certainly easier ways to get a degree.

05/10/2018 - 1:44pm You may want to read the 2014

You may want to read the 2014 Washington Post fact checker on the source of the 3 in 100 stat and how accurate it is (spoiler: it's not). They gave the Enliven Project's popular graphic and stats 3 Pinocchios.

05/09/2018 - 11:35pm Louisiana heat and humidity

Louisiana heat and humidity shouldn't bother a 320 lb lad. He'll just need to drink a gallon of water per hour in July and August.

05/06/2018 - 6:22pm We'll just have to keep a TE

We'll just have to keep a TE in on passing downs. And maybe a fullback. And work out of the howitzer (QB twice as far back as in the shotgun.)

05/03/2018 - 5:58pm That was a great story, and

That was a great story, and well-written.

About five years ago we adopted a puppy from a local animal rescue place. As sometimes happens, the animal rescue where the dog was found wandering along a country road, in Ohio, was full. As such, they needed to find another one to take her or it might be lights out for her. So, being that she came from Ohio to a much brighter future up here in Michigan, we named her "Bo" after another who came from an inauspicious start in Ohio to become a beloved Michigander.

05/02/2018 - 1:55pm I don't understand the

I don't understand the downvotes mGrowOld [it was 0 up, 3 down when I wrote this]. For all of Harbaugh's strengths, he failed in how  he structured the staff and what he had the staff implement.

I like your CEO of Michigan Football description. He has full control over who he hires and which football strategies they employ with their players. If the structure of his "managers" and their "departments" was flawed, it was determined by JH. If what they tried to execute didn't match up well with the capabilities of the players, or of the coaches responsible for ground-level implementation, that ultimately is a JH misread.

I love having Harbaugh as our coach, and I wouldn't want him to leave either. I'm certainly not calling for his head. But I think, if we dare be objective about our beloved UM football, we have to admit that Jim created some of the mess we were in last year, and he bears responsibliity for that. I'm surprised that, given his experience and high level of success at numerous stops, he didn't see how the staff structure and the concepts employed were not going to be successful. UFR -1 for JH for that.

04/30/2018 - 3:28pm It is real.

It is real.

04/24/2018 - 3:51pm It has always seemed weird to

It has always seemed weird to me how easily position coaches are reassigned to coach another position. Seems like coaching combines a couple of elements -- the ability to get humans to improve their performance, which is largely transferable, and subject matter expertise, which is much less transferable.

I would think that the best position coaches have deep, expert knowledge regarding the specific position they coach, and that to coach another position would put them at a disadvantage to all the coaches that have both the elements of human performance improvement and subject matter expertise. Yet it seems like every year one or more UM position coaches is switching groups.

It seems like that would only be feasible if position coaching was 90% human performance improvement based, 10% specific subject matter expertise. Or, they can ramp up to true expert level in a season or two. And that doesn't seem like it would be the case, but I've never been a coach so, maybe it is? Or maybe I'm just not looking at it right.

04/20/2018 - 6:07pm I thought Dooley's gave us

I thought Dooley's gave us Dime Beer Night.

04/17/2018 - 11:02pm Stop digging.
Grow up. This

Stop digging.

Grow up. This is life we're talking about, not sports.

04/17/2018 - 10:59pm I've been in a room of UM

I've been in a room of UM grads listening to old Ufer game calls that were so evocative that several of us had tears welling up. The man was a singular talent and a huge influence on a couple generations of M fans.

04/17/2018 - 10:54pm I believe these are study

I believe these are study days leading up to finals later this week. Maybe the stress of finals is getting to him. Being removed from the team I'm sure was a blow that made him question his future plans. Now, at the end of the school year, if he's been struggling academically (I know, speculative, not casting aspersions but casting about for some scenario that helps to explain the situation) he may be looking at a negative situation there too. Maybe he lashes out at someone he thinks is responsible for his troubles.

04/17/2018 - 10:49pm The impression I get is that

The impression I get is that he's aware that, as a former head coach coming in here at a lower level, there's going to be the temptation or just the habit to act and talk more like a HC. So he's studiously trying to minimize his profile and not step on any toes. It's a tough role because some people will expect him to be more than a position coach due to his background.

04/14/2018 - 11:15pm There's the additional risk

There's the additional risk for Synder that, like the appointment of an Emergency Financial Manager for a bankrupt city, once he removes leadership and replaces them he owns the situation from there on out. Not sure I'd want to own the MSU dumpster fire, but his hand may be forced eventually. Then again, "eventually" may not happen until after he's out of office and it will be his successor's problem.

03/31/2018 - 12:58pm Love the OP's passion. Really

Love the OP's passion. Really want to express support. Love it when the crowd gets loud.

But.... in the back of my mind, I'm thinking that based on the reactions of people around him, the length of his post, and his 110% certainty that he's right, I'd probably be glad to be a section over from him rather than right next to him at a game. I sat next to a "superfan" at a game once. Kept hoping he'd pass out.

03/30/2018 - 4:54pm Hate to be the internet

Hate to be the internet grammarian, but the correct phrasing would be "more betterer".

03/29/2018 - 11:49pm I'd lean Ross, but might

I'd lean Ross, but might shade that opinion upon knowing which Top 20s you're referring to. If in the heart of the 10 - 20 rank, say, NW, Vandy, Brown, I'd pick Ross.

One thing to watch out for however, is the almost unavoidable tendenancy for many high-acheiver students such as your son to follow the crowd into what is perceived as the most prestigeous. So many students flock to B-School in general and specifically I-banking and consulting for the money and the prestige. Yet such a large proportion of them leave relatively soon because they either dislike it or aren't suited for it.

Despite all the admonitions to not succumb to that group-think for two years, the lemming-like behavior of grads at my fancy-pants MBA program was exactly like that. 1/3 went to Wall Street. 1/3 went to consulting. 1/3 for everything else. Yet probably 85% of the 2/3rds who went to be I-bankers and management consultants had quit and changed industries in less than 5 years, and not typically to some lofty exec position.

Yes, make it up the ranks and you do very well financially. Work-life balance? Well, there's time for that when you're dead. J/k, kind of.

Even HS kids want to be able to say something that sounds good when asked what they're going to college for, despite usually not knowing. Ross would be great if that's really what he wants to do. 

03/29/2018 - 11:24pm The main reason I transfered

The main reason I transfered out of LS&A and into Engineering was the lack of a foreign language requirement. Kinda dumb, but compelling at the time.

I'd love to see the foreign language requirement killed in HS and colleges. And dial back the push for college-bound non-STEM kids to take calc in HS. Add in some mix of Logic, Philosophy, Classics, Entrepreneurship, Business, Self-Development, Organization and Time Management, Study and Self-Learning Skills, etc.

03/29/2018 - 12:43pm I took a look at that RCMB

I took a look at that RCMB post you quoted. It wasn't written by one of the MSU folks. It was written by one of the two or three crazy UM fans that inhabit that board.

Aside from that, there are some B1G teams I don't mind seeing win, like Wisconsin, Minnesota, NW, and sometimes Iowa, IL, IN and Purdue. I root for MSU, PSU and OSU to lose in every competition ever. And I don't really care about Neb, Rutgers and Maryland but they can lose too.

The only conflicting part is when say, MSU plays OSU and they can't both go down to a horrible defeat.

03/28/2018 - 1:14pm Sounded to me like he was

Sounded to me like he was dismayed that a "finesse" team beat his "tough" team and that maybe that meant his tough team wasn't tough enough. Makes sense if it's been drilled into his head by Izzo that toughness is what wins games. They've looked at 3-point shooting, fancy offense Michigan as a pretty team, not a tough team.

03/20/2018 - 5:06pm Any inkling where Lucia will

Any inkling where Lucia will end up?

03/20/2018 - 4:47pm I think what he's talking

I think what he's talking about with the blue line is to make it much wider, like several feet or more wide.