OT: Game of Thrones S7 E4- The Spoils of War
jaime is a tool.
August 7th, 2017 at 12:10 AM ^
Fuck that. I was literally shaking during that battle, especially when Bronn was shooting the arrows at Drogon. I was legitimately nervous about the possible death of a digital image of a dragon on my television LOL. I know at least one of them will be killed and when that time comes, it will suck, but I am so on the side of Daenerys and Jon. I love Jamie and Bronn, but cannot stand Cersei. I hope she gets tortured to death, but that likely won't happen. She will definitely die, but not the way I want.
I'm unsure how anyone cannot be a fan of Daenerys. That's just odd.
August 7th, 2017 at 12:18 PM ^
I don't like the way Dany has been acting this season. She has turned from a breaker of chains and someone who earned her peoples trust and faith in her, into a tyrannt invader. Bend the Knee. My daddy was king. BEND THE KNEE. Maybe her problem is there is no one to save in Westoros?
She showed up too early I think. Let the North get attacked from the White Walkers. Then save the day, earn some goodwill with the locals. Take Kings Landing.
I'm still team Dany/Jon becuase Cercei is the worst and the Night King doesn't get enough screentime and has no character arch/motivation it seems. But most Westoros people probably aren't effected by who sits on the Iron Throne. Their life was shoveling shit 10 years ago, 5 years ago, now, and 15 years from now. I just want some stability so I don't accidently get drafted into a war. And now this blonde chick whose dad used to be freaking nuts shows up, brings dragons back to Westoros for the first time in 150 years. Like I'm pissed off at that person. She is Hitler to me, the Shit Shoveler.
And honestly Jon should have died in the battle of the bastards. Under the weight of the piles of dead men who he led into a battle he shouldn't have. Ever since he died originally his character has sucked so much.
prefer Cersei, who killed the former king (along with several of his Hands), blew up the Sept of Baelor with a ton if her potential (if former) allies, and who is clearly ruthless and disliked enough to almost gaurantee war for a long time.
At least Dany with those dragons has a better chance of keeping peace while the shit shoveler goes about shoveling shit. As mad as the Mad King was, the Targaryeans at least ruled over a kingdon that was for more peaceful for hundreds of years than it has become under Lannister influence.
Again, a farmer in the Reach, or some dude in the the Riverlands isn't effected by the change in leadership. My lifetime has seen changes from Republican to Democrat and back and fourth twice more. We've had a lying adulterer, a lying WMD planting war starter, and a celebrity all hold the position as "Most Powerful Man in the World" and as a middle class white male it's hard to say the president has ever changed my life meaningfully. The common Westoros man probably never even knows the Hand's name. They never visited the Sept of Baelor. She is ruthless and it hasn't even touched their life.
A dragon, even under the instruction of Dany, is still wild. Whats stopping it from flying over head and eating my sheep, or my daughter. That is a constant threat. An impending war is much worse in the mind than a war that already passed, or a change in leadership that didn't cost lives outside of those involved in the political squable and a few innocent bystanders.
The people of Kings Landing may hate Cercei. Everyone else is like, whatever man. Can't we just prepare for this winter in peace. Aw shit now some foreign invaders showed up.
August 6th, 2017 at 10:01 PM ^
That was one of the best battle scenes in screen history
Battle of Stirling in Braveheart was awesome, DDay invasion in Saving Private Ryan, Battle of Brecourt Manor in Band of Brothers...other suggestions?
But that one I just watched was right up there.
August 6th, 2017 at 10:06 PM ^
Helms Deep.
August 6th, 2017 at 10:13 PM ^
Hahahahha. Another child of the 80's I presume. CHAAAAAPPPPYYYYY!
They did Helm's Deep so well that I actually got so engrossed in it that I forgot the charge of the Rohirrim was coming. So well done that it made my eyes well up. Maybe that sounds silly for a fantasy movie about elves and orcs, but I read those books when I was about 13 years old and I just couldn't believe how well they had captured it all.
That is probably my number one.
August 6th, 2017 at 10:11 PM ^
August 6th, 2017 at 10:14 PM ^
I like ID a lot, probably more than a lot of other people.
But putting that final battle up there with LOTR and other iconic ones is ridiculous.
August 6th, 2017 at 10:22 PM ^
August 6th, 2017 at 10:25 PM ^
I understand movies are all subjective and we intrepret things different, but the raw quality between that final scene and other great war movies and something like tonight on GoT is so far apart.
If you really watch it today, it's just a bunch of ships flying around shooting at each other. You honestly can't differentiate it from really any other generic sci-fi movie that does something similar. The ONLY reason it has some staying power is because of the way it ended.
There are so many battles that are far and away better than that, I really don't think it deserves to be mentioned.
August 7th, 2017 at 10:12 AM ^
Agree to disagree. I'm admittedly biased, but it's one of my favorites.
There are better on-screen battles to be certain (LOTR and last night are far and away better and more visually stunning), but my personal opinion is that ID deserves and honorable mention.
It's like LOTR and GoT are first-team all conference, and ID is honorable-mention all conference.
August 6th, 2017 at 10:20 PM ^
August 6th, 2017 at 10:46 PM ^
Black Hawk Down and We Were Soldiers Once.
August 6th, 2017 at 11:33 PM ^
August 7th, 2017 at 12:13 AM ^
Don't tell me it wasn't incredibly satisfying to finally watch those dragons lay some waste to Westeros. And it was plenty suspenseful once Bronn manned the giant crossbow thingy.
Really well done for a 15 min scene. Nowhere near Helms Deep or some of the other more lengthy screen battles that were more than just scenes. Those were epics.
How in the hell was that boring? We FINALLY got to see what these dragons can really do. Yeah, they have showcased their fire before, but not like this. It was beyond satisfying. Daenerys finally gets a pretty decent sized victory, too. She, Drogon, and the Dothraki literally destroyed that armada or whatever it was and it was a long time coming. When I heard the Dothraki force coming and finally seeing it in the distance, it was awesome. Then when Jamie gets everyone in line, hears and sees Drogon, that is when he about shit his pants. It was incredible and goose bump material.
August 7th, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^
His Joe Paterno pants?
August 7th, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^
The HBO series "The Pacific" had some pretty intense battle scenes, specifically the Battle of the Tenaru on Guadalcanal, and the fighting in the hills on Okinawa.
And speaking of Okinawa, the battle scenes in "Hacksaw Ridge" were pretty tough as well.
August 6th, 2017 at 10:03 PM ^
August 6th, 2017 at 10:07 PM ^
Gold made it across was exposition in that scene, I'm pretty sure. Dany did just burn a ton of food though.
August 6th, 2017 at 10:20 PM ^
Burning the food that she said she needed seems like a bonehead move.
The bit where the dragon burns a hole right through the shield wall for the Dothraki was !00% awesomeness, though. I imagine it was dangerous as fuck to film, though.
I had a hard time thinking Bronn was an expert on the ballista, though. I guess that first shot wasn't too hard, but there's no way an amateur could have calculate the windage, ballistics, et al for that final shot. Also no way he could single-handedly rewind it like that, but given that he's shooting at dragons, I won't object too much to him rewinding it so easily.
August 6th, 2017 at 11:02 PM ^
I think at this point we just have to accept that Bronn is an unstoppable warrior familiar with all weapons and innately good at all of them.
I wondered why she didn't just go all the way down the line. I mean, yes, it wouldn't have made for the television, but c'mon, they're all lined up! Just fly right down the line!
I thought the same thing. I knew she brought at least Drogon with her, so when Jamie got everyone in line, I was thinking, "Oh, Daenerys will appreciate that." But, of course, as you mentioned, that would have cut an awesome fifteen minute battle scene into about a three-minute roasting of that army.
Mate, it's fiction. Don't over analyze. Just enjoy the masterpiece that is Game of Thrones. I don't see how people can enjoy fiction when they sit their picking it apart and saying some things are not possible. It's a show with three fire sptting dragons, after all.
Yopu might want to re-read my post before climbing up on thet high horse. I said exactly what you are saying here, before you said it.
August 7th, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^
The show has made Bronn into way more than he is in Martin's writing because they (and all the fans) really like the actor playing him. He's an interesting character in the book, but he has been elevated in the show beyond what the story originally portrayed him to be. IMO of course.
August 7th, 2017 at 11:59 AM ^
there was no Bronn-Jaime mission to Dorne. I don't recall Bronn being Jaime's right hand man in the Riverlands (but could be wrong). Other than being Tyrion's champion at the Eyrie and helping him get back to King's Landing, I don't recall him doing much.
Definitely some adaptation based on popular feedback from those early seasons and the actor just being awesome.
August 7th, 2017 at 12:26 PM ^
August 6th, 2017 at 10:23 PM ^
August 6th, 2017 at 11:10 PM ^
if the choice is between thousands of sellswords from the Golden Company and the Golden Boy with one golden hand, I think she takes the numbers in a heartbeat.
August 7th, 2017 at 11:09 AM ^
I think that line of credit goes away now that the Iron Bank has seen what one dragon can do. They follow arithmetic, not sentiment (or whatever the iron banker said). So awesome to see dumb big crossbow fail! Though it did rotate remarkably well.
August 7th, 2017 at 11:46 AM ^
If that line of credit is rescinded, does the banker make it out of Kings Landing alive? Not sure Cersei would just let that go...