Fall Camp Notes: QB Battle is Real

Submitted by EastCoast Esq. on

Steve Lorenz of 247 is reporting that...

 

The quarterback battle "is real" and is "far more intense than last year".

 

He has some other fall camp tidbits, but the article is paywalled, so I won't mention them here. Needless to say, though, I'm very surprised by this development. Hopefully this means that Peters is performing above expectations, rather than that Speight is regressing or plateauing.

maize-blue

August 2nd, 2017 at 11:28 AM ^

I think if this narrative is still coming up into the final week of practice, then we have something. 

M_Born M_Believer

August 2nd, 2017 at 11:29 AM ^

get impacted, but just appeared that he was much quicker to make a throw and more prone to throwing off his back foot.  Two tell tale signs of a QB getting mentally impacted by the hit and injury.

 

Even when completely healthy, is he back mentally to play without the nervousness of a hit / injury?

 

With that being said, I believe that Speight is a very good QB (especially before the shoulder injury) and is another fine example of what Harbaugh can do to talent when a kid is willing to work for it.

 

I just expect that both will play early in the season and that Speight will have the slight edge going into the season, but the first 3 games will kinda be like a Final Exam.  Who wll grade out better in live game action.....

 

mmc22

August 2nd, 2017 at 1:00 PM ^

I don't think you remember last year. Almost everybody was saying JOK will be the starter and not too many were giving Speight any chances. Ironically the reasons were he had more experience and more mobility.

jblaze

August 2nd, 2017 at 2:53 PM ^

You may be correct (I'd have to look it up), but there is no way that battle was as close as "insiders" said it was, because in his limited game time, JOK looked awful and even when Speight was playing porly or injured, the coaches didn't play JOK.

Reader71

August 2nd, 2017 at 8:30 PM ^

This is a poorly informed take. It is possible that they were neck and neck during camp. When we saw O'Korn late in the season, he hadn't taken even half as many reps as Speight and had hardly taken any with the starters. Meanwhile, Speight had taken all the reps, took them with the guys he played with, and played in 10 games or so. Of course he would be the better QB at that point in the season.

KC Wolve

August 2nd, 2017 at 11:37 AM ^

A lot of these comments remind me of the Hoke era "you have to have Jrs and Srs on the o line to be successful" comments. Game experience is fine, but talent is always better. If Peters outperforms Wilt and Harbaugh gives him the nod, I give no shits about "game experience". It is bizarre that so many people around here still think it's 1974 and Freshman and Sophomores "aren't ready".

Ghost of Fritz…

August 2nd, 2017 at 12:35 PM ^

first year as a starter at UCLA.  Very inconsistent.  Tons of mistakes. 

Like Rosen, Peters probably has a very high ceiling.  But if he starts as a RS freshman a LOT of mistakes (bad pre-snaps reads, bad throwing decisions, not seeing a defender, etc.) are part of the package.  He would almost certainly make more mistakes than Speight. 

Can his better long ball and purported better accuracy outweigh this?  Maybe. Time will tell.

stephenrjking

August 2nd, 2017 at 12:53 PM ^

I presume Speight's best advantage to be a command of the offense. He knows where the players are supposed to line up and what they're supposed to do. He knows how to read the defense presnap, and which throws to make post-snap. At least, he knows that more than anyone else on the roster.

Getting those throws there is a different issue. And Speight wasn't perfect at this last year. But he seemed to know what the offense needed for the most part, and that's the hardest thing Peters has to overcome. 

mrkid

August 2nd, 2017 at 11:56 AM ^

No, it is not. We heard this same thing last year and it was obvious that there was no competition.

Wilton Speight will be the quarterback. I'm not buying into this drama again. I refuse. No more torture.

mrkid

August 2nd, 2017 at 3:44 PM ^

The difference between last year and this year is, last year we had two unproven (at Michigan) starters in Speight and O'Korn, except O'Korn actually had a year under his belt at Houston.

This year we have a proven starter who was pretty damn good last year until getting injured and an unproven guy.

I'm sorry but I'm not buying into the hype. If Peters is the starter and better than Speight, than things are looking great for us. For me, I'm not going to waver until I see Peters is the starter.

Until then, Speight is your starter and these rumors are for amusement purposes only.

stephenrjking

August 2nd, 2017 at 11:56 AM ^

Rumors are just rumors, of course, but perhaps there's some juice to this. Now, I don't for a second believe that O'Korn is "right there" as Harbaugh would say it. But Peters might be.

And leading up to the spring game I would have said that such sentiments were an unqualified endorsement of the development of Peters. And it still might be--my position was that it's reasonable to expect Speight (who was, again, a redshirt sophomore last season, the same experience John Navarre had in his dreadful 2001 campaign) to develop and improve at least incrementally going into this fall. If Peters is there with him, that means Peters is good.

But Speight was awful in the spring game and that's given me the willies a bit. 

But we'll see. People say that there's stuff like this "every year," and that's true, but that doesn't mean that the rumors don't provide readable tea leaves. Two years ago the rumors leaned Rudock and everyone knew it was Rudock by the end of the open practice. Last year O'Korn was the presumed starter, but the rampant Speight talk meant that by the time Umbig11 dropped the news on the board everyone knew it was a real possibility.

So if there continues to be a lot of loud "real competition" talk surrounding Peters, it's worth listening to.

GRMaizenBlue

August 2nd, 2017 at 1:37 PM ^

Particularly when this news is coming from Steve. Ive always been on the Speight bandwagon, I liked the idea of having a big ben like player out there but his composure is what really sold me on him. Even playing at his worst it seemed like he was still looking at the next play instead of the last. If the Peters competition is real, and Harbaugh gives him the nod, we are in for a real treat this fall.

stephenrjking

August 2nd, 2017 at 3:53 PM ^

It does and the spring game is indeed mostly meaningless. However, Speight looked so bad in it (and word was that the coaches thought so and kept him in for a long time as a result) that I can plausibly see there being a competition, at least from the standpoint of Speight not closing the deal. 

Peters looked like he could hit passes, too, though it's hard to know how that will translate into "real life" until it happens.

stephenrjking

August 2nd, 2017 at 12:23 PM ^

I don't think that matters very much. Speight's experience and command of the offense is certainly an asset (probably his best one), but the staff will pick the best QB and go forward with him for the rest of the season. Command of the offense, which is where experience actually expresses itself on the field, is of course a key factor. But it is just a factor.

If Peters is the better QB, they're not going to pick Speight because the first game is against Florida instead of Central Michigan. They're going to pick Peters. If they pick Speight, it's because he won the job, not because the opponent is a bit harder.

Everyone Murders

August 2nd, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^

We're two days into camp and declaring the QB battle "real"?  Seems like Lorenz came to this conclusion a bit prematurely.

In any event, I'm with TeamHarbaughKnowsBest.  Between him, Pep, and the rest of the staff, I have little doubt that they'll have the player under center who gives Michigan the best chance to win.

ShadowStorm33

August 2nd, 2017 at 12:25 PM ^

The problem with OKorn seems to be that he couldn't (can't?) deal with pressure. With time to throw and no one in his face, he was heads and tails above Speight. But the rumor is that when the pressure is turned up, he's BAD, like Devin Gardner PTSD bad. And you can't win games that way. The hope I had was that with Harbaugh's coaching he could get past that to let his clear arm talent shine. I'm sure I wasn't the only one, hence the optimism last year, but it just hasn't happened.

father fisch

August 2nd, 2017 at 12:24 PM ^

I like Speight a lot.  If the youngster is pushing him, that's awesome for everybody.  Play the best dude.  If they are equal, go with youth as he should have more upside.

So let it be written...

RobM_24

August 2nd, 2017 at 12:32 PM ^

People keep saying "this is the same as every year." That could be true, but one thing to consider is that Peters is Harbaugh's hand-picked QB, and Speight is not. I think that matters. Harbaugh was quick to replace Alex Smith (the steady, returning QB) with the higher talent, hand-picked QB, Colin Kaepernick.