OSU/MSU Coaching Futures Discussion
The cited podcast is a month old and no longer exists, but I thought it warranted discussion in our slow period.
I kind of agree, but he did chicken out at Florida due to 'health concerns' when he seemingly had everything going for him. It's possible he drops OSU at some point and ends up elsewhere
Dantonio won't get fired barring a scandal. He's been their best coach in the last 50 years. There is no particular reason to believe he personally was the problem last year. I think it's quite possible he retires in the next few years, though.
No idea if there is anything to that Meyer speculation. I'd assume he would coach awhile since he's in his prime age-wise. Given how competitive he seems to be, I could maybe see him wanting to give the pros a shot someday, but otherwise I'd expect him to be in Columbus another decade or so.
A lot of other heads will roll before his.
Unfortunately, I think Meyer is smart enough to realize that he would likely be a massive failure in the NFL. For whatever reason (elite speed on defense?), spread to run doesn't seem to work in the NFL. In addition, take away the talent advantage he enjoys at OSU (and enjoyed at UF) which would not exist in the NFL and his likelihood of success drops even further.
I hope I'm wrong. I would love to see him go to Cleveland and flop big time.
It's his passing game. It's way too simplistic to work in the NFL, and he knows that.
I think Meyer stays until his reputation with undergrad girls is so bad and he's so old, he simply can't get any young ladies to buy his shtick anymore.
"Hey baby, wanna see my national championship rings? They're right here inside the front pocket of my tight jeans. Just reach on in and grab them!"
"No thanks, grandpa."
in 2018. It remains to be seen if he's as good a coach as Dantonio, but a fresh start with Narduzzi is much better than where the program is headed now. It also remains to be seen whether Narduzzi would take the job. The perception that Dantonio is being forced out should make it problematic.
Hiring an up and coming coach is a crapshoot. Finding someone who can be successful at that level and who won't bolt for the first better job offer won't be easy. I don't see any candidates on their current staff.
Yeah, there is almost zero reason to take the MSU job over his current Pitt job. Yes, he made his name at MSU, but that is a brutal job these days. If you have the choice of playing in a division with Michigan, Ohio St, and Penn St, or....you could stay in your current division where your top competition is probably Miami, UNC, and Va. Tech you stay in the ACC Coastal.
These days MSU is a lateral move from Pitt, and at age 51 he doesn't have much time left to earn a shot at a better job. Leaving Pitt for MSU certainly isn't going to earn him that shot.
It's harder to do at Pitt. It's harder to do when you're in a weak division. Nationally, nobody really cares if you win it once in awhile without becoming a national power. Pitt might be an easier job to do enough to keep it, but it's not as good a job for an ambitious coach.
Eh, maybe in terms of path to easy wins. But I strongly disagree. Pittsburgh has no fan base, it's truly kind of pathetic for a school of their size.
Spartans may be overshadowed in their own division, but they hold more national prominence than Pitt by far.
JLS thought MSU was the pinnacle. I wouldn't put it past them to find another nut.
Once Jim Harbaugh wins consistently over him or he ages out healthwise and has installed his own successor, which should be publicly evident with the transition telegraphed. Say six years time.
Dantonio is likely to depart after being forced out within the next three years because he'll not achieve the winning results of his past given that Big Brother has re-arisen from its ashes phoenix-like and has stolen Dantonio's national thunder.
Kelly might preserve his position if he can turn around ND this season at 10-2, otherwise, the mega-Domers I am acquainted with will assert themselves for termination and Kelly will be gone some time in 2018. South Bend has the program to watch in the near term, the Domers are incredibly angry with multiple negative staff and player aspects exemplified best by the Van Gorder debacle.
Hate to be this guy but I will be anyway. In order for your scenario to happen over the next 6 years, Michigan would have to win 5 out of the 6 games because OSU would only have to win 2 for it to be 4-4 over 8 years. That wouldn't be Harbaugh consistently winning over the ages. Hopefully we win 5 out of 6 or all of them.
Why wouldn't Meyer coach through the age of 60? As long as his health follows an average trajectory, it wouldn't be an issue at all.
Dantonio is already 61, but even for him I see him going indefinitely as well, he's averaging 9 wins a season in East Lansing! Sure, MSU is looking at a rough season ahead, but nobody would be shocked to see MSU top 25 again in a season or two. And look at their wikipedia, he's easily the best coach they've had in over half a century, arguably best ever. I'd like to think that kind of history earns you the right to survive two or three consecutive losing seasons.
Narduzzi is 51 himself, so you're not getting a lot more youth by kicking out Dantonio right now, even assuming Narduzzi would leave his current exciting job and competitive salary at Pitt. MSU also has some good internal staff like Bennett that would be natural HC candidates, at the same time that staff could support Dantonio working through an advanced age.
Of course, Harbaugh is young and incredible, and Franklin is in a similarly appreciated position at Penn St, so I think the B1G East coaching situation is looking very stable for the forseeable future.
Dantonio is 61 with heart issues. He won't be fired, though he may be nudged into retirement if they have another disastrous year. Otherwise he'll retire on his own within the next couple of years.
I would be absolutely shocked if MSU was a top 25 team at any point in the next 5 years.
Didn't Meyer pick UF over ND when he left Utah? My memory is a bit hazy on it but it seems to me UF outbid ND for Meyer. If Meyer really wanted ND, that would've been the time to do it (man how that would've changed things).
ND has a lot of tradition, but so does OSU. I can't forsee him ever leaving OSU for ND. NFL maybe, but OSU is a destination job in college.
At this point though, I wouldn't mind ND doing a little better if it meant OSU slipping for a while.
Meyer wanted the ND job at one point, but his wife basicaly said she was never moving back to South Bend.
He had outs in his Florida contract for OSU, UM, and ND.
He'd never leave OSU for ND though....unless he was forced out.
Seems to me like he's enjoying his time at OSU a lot more than Florida, so I'm not buying the "burn-out" arguement some are trying to make. He looks pretty content most of the time.
What. How underachieving Urban Meyer's teams have been since 2014? How do you type that with a straight face? You own coach just had more NFL draft picks than wins last year, and you're gonna talk about Meyer underachieving and slowly eroding?
Man, Meyer lost one (1) game in 2015, then followed that up in 2016 by taking the youngest team in the nation to the CFP. So unless Michigan makes the CFP this year, maybe you should re-evaluate throwing out words like "underachieving." Wouldn't want to look silly.
I agree with that 100%, and am optimistic having a real OC in charge instead of an OL coach will revert things back to 2013-2014 levels.
You realize all those draft picks across the two years all won the B1G, won the division and won the national championship, right? Apparently you'd have preferred them to win two of each?
2015 OSU was supposed to be the greatest team ever assembled, and they ultimately accomplished jack shit (due to losing to Tyler O'Connor at home lulz). 2016 OSU somehow got into the playoff despite not winning their division or their conference, and proceeded to get their doors blown off.
All that NFL talent and Urbz hasn't won anything the past 2 years. He overachieved in 2014, underachieved since then.
It's still hard for you to accept, huh? I guess I have to reiterate that you lost at home to Tyler O'Connor with like 6 1st round draft picks. That's a real black mark on Urbz' record.
Accept what? That OSU doesn't win the national championship every year? Yes. That is annoying. Since you're a Michigan fan who, presumably, isn't 115 years old, I'm sure you can relate.
Also, man, outsourcing your smack talk to Michigan State. Go Blue.
God you are so bad at this. No wonder Stringer Bell got outsmarted by a stick up kid. In your defense, Michigan hasn't left you much material to work with.
You know, for a supposedly elite coach, the only thing more incredibly embarassing than losing to Tyler O'Connor at home is losing by 29 points at home to the team that lost to Tyler O'Connor at home.
And, I'll take the playoff berth, thanks. That vaunted Michigan defense probably shouldn't have given up 30 points to our hilariously mediocre offense last year if they wanted to prove who deserved to represent the B1G in the CFP.
Clemson > FSU > OSU > Michigan. 2016 Michigan football was a 40 degree day. Sorry about it.
the conversation had nothing to do with UM or Harbaugh. He wasn't comparing the two, just making a statement. Sure, we underachieved. That doesn't mean OSU didn't do the same.
Not winning back-to-back national championships is not underachieving, imo. Last year, OSU overachieved.
Urban said that Notre Dame got into the mix too late.
By the time Notre Dame's AD Kevin White had officially reached out to Urban, he was already into contract negotiation with Florida for the job, and he said he did not want to renege on the agreement. Urban pretty much said that if Notre Dame was just a little bit faster than he probably would have landed in Notre Dame over Florida.
that Meyer is going to self-combust any week now, because "he always does that."
Which happened at one school. You know, always.
That's giving MSU a lot of credit. I'd put it this way:
The only thing required to make MSU fade into oblivion is a coach above the Mendoza line at Michigan.
A superstar like Harbaugh just accelerates the process.
Actually hope they keep Mike for several more years. He's owed some payback before he fades off. Same with Urban.