Three Michigan State Players Officially Named, Charged
The three Michigan State players involved in the alleged sexual assault from January have been named and officially charged. The players are Josh King, Donnie Corley and Demetrius Vance. Story below.
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2017/06/06/sexual-a…
If content going around Twitter this AM is true, then these players are going to jail. There is no room for jokes. These guys not only ruined a young woman's life, but their own.
No, sorry...there is more than enough information when you look at his time at MSU as a whole. I know we joke about him driving people from jail to the practice field but that DID happen.....they had the infamous dorm beatdown where hlaf the football team (it seems) beat the crap out of a bunch of kids with little to no consequences. And then the rumors of kids, Malik McDowell being the most recent, being told on recruiting trips there's no school and no rules for football players.
That kind of enviornment breeds this type of behaviour...Dantonio sold his soul, and this poor woman, for a few wins over an instate rival.
Fuck him and that entire AD.
That when you are of college-age, you understand that bringing a girl into a room and violating her is not acceptable.
I HIGHLY doubt Dantonio has created this "anything goes" culture like Baylor. Up until this point, the program has been pretty damn clean.
You should post here more.
We are all missing a lot of potentially great insight.
Srsly?
History not really your thing, is it...
They have had bad apples. The Winston thing was bad.
But other than that, the program has been fine.
yes, every school has bad apples. but when they keep showing up (which they have, clearly)...i think it's legit to ask whether he's picking the wrong guys. if iwere a sparty fan i'd definitely be asking that question.
Yeah, the Winson case was a horrible look.
But beyond that, can we definitively say MSU has had more players in trouble than any other universities? I really can't.
Uncle Leo, go back and look at how many times their program has been in hot water. Multiple recurring instances of recruiting violations resulting in probation (I'm talking over the decades ... this is systemic). Systemic use of PEDs.
This is not JUST a Dantonio era issue -- it is an MSU culture issue.
As tragic as this particular instance is, we should not be entirely surprised it happened. It is in keeping with their culture.
If you've visited that campus as a student, for example, you would have noticed meaningful cultural differences from Ann Arbor.
That's not to say we aren't in a glass house ... of course we have had issues. Yes, everyone does. But there is a longstanding pattern of flagrantly violating the rules in East Landfill. Sooner or later that lays the groundwork for horrific events like this.
Than the discussion has gone so far.
This has been Dantonio only so far. I am not arguing with you about how things were in the 70s or 80s.
yes, i think we can agree that glenn winston beating the crap out of an msu hockey player, then violating his probation for that one by beating the crap out of a bunch of engineers is a "horrible look."
or, as dantonio said about the first one, "a tragedy for all involved."
Search for the "Josh King" tag on here. Michigan recruited King. Wanted Corley, too, I believe. It could have been us.
is just the thing though. Could it have been us, or did they 1) go to MSU because there are no rules there, and 2) do the things they did because athletes (and athletic coaches/trainers) simply don't have consequences for their actions there. In conjuction with the Nassar investigation, and considering there have been 4 sexual assault related dismissals in one off-season and another former player kicked out of school for it as well (and several other notable incidents/arrests with former players), you unquestionably have to ask larger questions regarding the culture of their athletic department. To not have those questions/concerns is to be overly deferential and dismissive to the possible detriment of just regular college students.
"Asking questions" is different from "presuming guilt." There's some error on the side of "presuming guilt" in this thread, in my opinion, and some of the stuff you've contributed here has been a bit harsh for my taste. But one incident is too many, and there has been more than one--asking questions, hard ones, questions with teeth and consequences for refusal to answer, should absolutely be taking place here.
I hope that local media (by which I mean not Graham Couch) takes a deep dive here. And the University would be negligent not to. It's possible that they find that this is kind of a confluence of things that weren't the fault of the staff, but they can't assume that.
And I believe they won't assume that--too much at stake with the Nassar investigation hanging over them. And if that's what it takes to get them to take other sports seriously, well, fine, at least they take it seriously.
perhaps I will heed your advice/observation and power it down. But ask yourself this - why isn't there anybody at any newspaper, television station, radio station in Michigan right now who is asking those questions. Why is it off-limits? Harbaugh parted ways with a recruit that didn't come to his camps and it made the rounds in all forms of media for about two weeks. Recruit abuse(!) it was declared.
There is plenty of smoke from E.L. right now that this is not just an isolated incident and that something seriously and systemically amiss, but nobody of any consequence is talking about it. Why is that?
has a column up now. It is exactly the kind of piece that needed to be written in order for the local media to take notice of all of this and actually ask the questions that are being talked about here. I am glad somebody had the guts to write it.
Dantonio, and possibly Hollis, will be gone after this season or sooner.
I'm no lawyer, but, depending on when the criminal proceedings finish up, he and MSU will be up to their eyeballs in a civil case. Check out the video of the alleged victim's lawyer in Wojo's article at around 3:30. She clearly alludes to this being bigger than one case and cites the Robertson case. Once the criminal case is finished, I have little doubt that her client will bring a civil case against MSU which is the only set of deep pockets in this sorry story.
Doubt the criminal case will be done by fall, but if guilty verdicts are found, I would expect a big suit against MSU. Coupled with the Nasser fiasco, i don't see a how a Board of Trustees maintains confidence in the athletic department.
irony is that those wearing green tinted glasses don't see is that the coordinated release of the Jones Day report and the issuance of charges raises more questions than it answers. What are the chances these things are release one day apart? An independent investigation into a football program and the charges being filed (theoretically a completely unrelated event) take place 24 hours apart, after five months of investigation?! Seriously? Nobody is buying it, and I'm still not even sure what it is.
This still stinks to high heaven. And I think MSU fans are wondering why there is still commotion after charges have been filed and why people are scratching their head, it is because in a way this looks more like a coverup than anybody ever expected. I would not be suprised if the suspended players filed a lawsuit against Michigan State! What nobody is really seeing is that all of this still does not make any sense. What a mess.
it's weird to me that the "vote of confidence" is usually code for "going to be fired soon", but everywhere i read people are relieved by it.
How is there a coverup if: 1. Everything is made public, as it has been; 2. The players are charged with serious offenses?
I don't think it's coincidental, either, but for different reasons: The evidence trails pursued by both investigations are the same.
the evidence trails may be similar (but not the same) but there is no reason the time frame would be identical. Keep in mind that, while not completely unheard of, over five months is a very long time between a complaint being reported and charges being filed, particularly when warrants were requested several times. Allz I am saying is, stay tuned. This has been a very strange five months followed by an even stranger 24 hours.
I agree, I think his column is perfect.
...all the more reason not to rejoice over this happening in east lansing rather than ann arbor. we haven't been completely free of these kinds of incidents, although the sheer heinousness of this one does stand out.
all you can do is hope that, when these things (inevitably) occur, the athletic department and coaching staffs respond appropriately. it's kinda why i wish we hadn't reinstated grant perry, although, again, that doesn't appear to have risen to anywhere near this level.
i generally want us to be the hardest of asses anytime this stuff comes up.
I'm old enough to remember when MSU players assaulted an entire frat in 2009 and how the footage from the event was mysteriously never seen. I'm also old enough to remember Roderick Jeanrette. I could sit here make a list here of all the transgressions that have occured on Dantonio's watch and it would be quite long at this point. In some cases with little to no action being taken.
They have had more than few bad apples. The program has performed well, sure. The culture has been dirty on and off the field since Dantonio arrived.
The Jones Day report found that the staff handled everything as they were supposed to, minus one person who was subsequently let go.
With that being said, there certainly seems to be a lot more of this type of stuff going on in East Lansing than is typical at most schools. It makes me start to question the environment.
I think Dantonio handle the incident as well as you could expect a coach, too. It also sounds like they had a lot of programs instituted to help direct their athletes on the how to avoid these situations. If he is at fault for anything, it would be for the desire to recruit players with "an edge" or whatever nonsense they have been trumpeting for the last decade. If you pride yourselves on being a team of players playing on the edge of the rules, you have to know that some of that will carry over off the field.
Josh King had issues in high school that were well known, and Auston Robertson as well. I have a hard time absolving Dantonio in these scenarios, even though I do think he handled it as well as could be handled.
Not doubting you here; related to my previous post, I'm curious what King's issues were. Robertson's have been discussed at length. If King was such a talented recruit, is the reason MSU got him because other schools passed?
too detailed, there's a good reason why the #1 recruit in Illinois in that year went to Michigan State. He got into a fair share of fights, and had an affinity for things that were the same color as Michigan State. I've worked with some really top level offensive and defensive linemen from the Suburbs of Chicago, and no one has ever had a good thing to say about him.
I hate MSU and Dantonio, but I think he handled it well. He allowed the investigation to take place and once the players were charged he immediately released them and made a very good statement about all of it.
Exactly. The program is essentially burning itself to the ground, and Dantonio's "red-locking" is apparently not doing the trick.
Nassar, Auston Robertson and this situation all came in the news around the same time. And let's not forget that ESPN is still trying to get the info that may implicate the basketball program. A lot has happened under Hollis' watch in that entire department.
details, but that is the kind of explosive, decades-long, institutional negligence that should absolutely, 100% see him get fired and possibly face criminal charges (child endangerment +) IF it is proven that he had heard accusations and ignored them or even if his reports had dismissed accusations.
No way he could survive that. And even if he's not directly implicated, you're correct that an astonishing amount of criminal behavior has happened under his watch and at some point, it's on him.
Probably around the same time he looks at himself and asks why a child molester was allowed to carry out his acts for decades at MSU under his watch... AKA Never.
Or the Softball coach who was accused of trying to hit her own player in the head.
Paterno?
all three young men denied knowing the young woman!? GTFO bro, are you serious Clark!? Because lying about this is going to make the cops go "ok, you didn't know her, guess we got the wrong guys"
This poor girl. I hope they plead out so that she doesn't have to testify in court or have her name out there.
testifies. That alone will show she is strong and has moved forward enough in this process (her emotions) to stand and fight for herself. I hope she is able to stand and confront her assailants and help put them away. If she is not in that place, I pray she is able to get there. Godspeed young lady.
but she is not obligated to fix this. She was wronged and should be free to do whatever she is comfortable with.
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