Jabrill Tested Positive for Dilute Sample
The drug test isn't about if you smoke weed or not. It's about the maturity and mental discipline that the person has.
It's not random. You know about the test months in advance, so failing it means: you don't care, you think that you can pass it with whatever weed science shit you found on the internet, or you don't understand how much of a privilege it is to play in the NFL.
Failing it isn't the end of the world if you're a high level prospect. It will just cost you a few million. Tampering with your sample? That's a felony in the real world. Why would you do that?
If it's weed, I don' think anyone will care -- other than it shows bad judgment to do weed months before this.
If it's PEDs -- yikes.
No one is buying the overhydrated excuse.
Drug tests are designed to test for specific substances, so if he tested positive for a screened substance, we would know exactly what it was.
The (very basic) way this works, is that you pee in a cup and someone analyzes the concentration of known drug metabolites in your urine, however there are controls implimented in every test to make sure that your samples has not been adulterated in any way.
One common method of evading a drug test, is to ingest a lot of fluids prior to submitting a smaple, this will dilute the concentration of drug metabolite in a given sample below the detectable limit of the assay designed to detect a particular metabolite. For this reason, drug testing includes screening a known physologicaly natural substance in ones urine to ensure that a given sample has not been diluted by overingesting fluids.
In short, the overhydrated excuse is very valid, but obviously we don't know if he was overhydrating to conceal a postiive result or to prepare for the combine.
That was very very expensive. I know nothing about the science behind a urine test however the overhydration seams plausible to me, but still, it's sad. Just sad.
I wonder if he'd voluntarily undergo a follicle test???
Shit, has anyone ever passed one of those?!?
You know that would certainly dispel any apprehensions teams might have, but I don't know if I've ever heard a hair follicle test being used in the NFL. However, I'm sure the CBA has put a stop to that a long time ago.
Yeah, he probably was trying to mask something. There's no way there's not a policy for him to submit another sample if his first is diluted (especially for an athlete who is super hydrated).
I've heard it is possible to mask a hair follicle test (but it requires bleaching/putting tide on hair and some crazy shit).
Not sure how much weed can be masked by water - would Snoop be able to test positive for a diluted sample or would his result just be off the charts with a heavy THC concentration no matter how much water he drinks?
Why is everybody assuming that he was hiding marijuana?
Facts: He had a diluted sample and claims it was due to excess water intake.
Extrapolation: WEEEEEED.
He might have been covering weed. He could also have been covering a myriad of other substances, or he might be telling the truth. We don't know.
To go from "diluted sample" to a prolonged discussion about the stupidity of smoking weed seems......stupid.
Professional athletes fail drug test every year and they always have a crazy explanation. Have you ever seen one single case where the guy was telling the truth?
unless said player admitted that they were lying originally, has there ever been a case where you can know for sure that they weren't telling the truth?
Aside from Pac Man Jones, that is.
He wasn't telling the truth.
This is a bone-headed response for two reasons:
(1) I said he might be telling the truth because that's one of the possiblities. I made NO comment about what's more likely. My point was simply that people are assuming weed for no apparent reason other than that college athletes seem to have a propensity for weed.
(2) How would you even know if an athlete was telling the truth? Often times athletes say that they took a supplement and didn't know there was a banned substance in it. How the hell would you fact check that? It's a question of mens rea, and we have no way of determining that with certainty.
April 25th, 2017 at 10:04 AM ^
I'm no Urologist but I'd suggest Flowmax.
Do you actually have substantial information to show that all of them were lying? Just because many lie about things, doesn't mean everyone does. Your opinion that every professional athlete who has a situation like this is lying is at least the same (worse in my opinion), as people assuming that one individual just might be telling the truth.
His response to a drug suspension was ‘I’m not as good as I used to be and I got hurt, and I’m getting paid a lot to be on the court. I figured it was worth the chance I didn’t get popped with a test to try to get better and healthier, and it didn’t work out.'
April 24th, 2017 at 10:03 PM ^
"I drink a lot of water," sounds like a crazy explanation to you?
I should probably know this but what happens if comes back not trying to dilute it, just straight up bad? Do they announce it as 'failed' or is diluated the term used nowadays?
Regardless of whether he actually did anything wrong or not, this will almost certainly shut him out of the first round. A lot of scouts weren't even pegging him as a first rounder before this happened. Now there's, at the bare minimum, a threat of drug use. That's going to scare quite a few teams away, and he may have to wait well into Day 2 before he gets called.
Not a good last few months for some of Michigan's potential draftees. Butt tears his ACL, Lewis being investigated for domestic violence, and now this. Hopefully Taco still works his way into the first round.
Taco to Lions first round. Now Peppers to Lions second round. All part of the plan
The only way that situation could be worse is if either of them get drafted by the Browns.
I hope they go somewhere where they have at least a reasonable chance of winning a championship.
Let them go to a franchise that isn't a massive, massive failure.
one team may feel he's exactly what they are looking for and want him and if thats the case than makes it irrelavant what the rest of the league feels about him.
Look at Tim Tebow as an example. I'm sure the consensus around the league was that he was a 3rd round talent but because Josh McDaniels was enamored with him and took him early, it makes Tebow forever a '1st round pick' no matter what the other 31 teams felt about him.
Tim Tebow didn't have potential drug/PED concerns.
I see the point you're trying to make, and I'm not conclusively saying that Peppers did anything wrong. But there is a big difference between teams being wary of someone because they're a project, and teams being wary of someone because they're potentially using illegal substances.
With Tebow, you never, ever had to worry about him doing something illegal or embarrassing the organization. A stand up guy (to say the least), a winner, and a proven leader in the locker room. So in a lot of ways, he was worth the risk. Again, I am NOT saying Peppers is a druggie or he was taking something he shouldn't have been. I'll wait for the facts to come out for that one. He's definitely still getting drafted by Day 2 at the latest, but you do not want any kind of drug concerns hanging over your head.
He may have just made an honest mistake, but you never want to give your employer any reason to second-guess hiring you.
April 25th, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^
that you own a Tim Tebow doll, crafted out of pubic hair.
Not a big deal. He will still get drafted, play professional football and make a lot of money.
I used to work for a university hospital doing drug tests for employeers, suspected abusers, and for big ten athletes. Most companies would treat a diluted sample as a failure and make them re-take the test later. I've had people try and cheat the system by diluting it and ive also had people who were worried they wouldnt be able to go drink too much water and dilute it. It's probably worse since he knew the drug test was coming and it's definitely a bad look, but it doesn't mean he was purposefully trying to cover something up.
are just simply over the top.
You answered your own question. NFL policy trumps state law in this situation. When it comes to weed, it doesn't matter what the state says. You're at the mercy of your employer, and if you don't like their rules, you can take a hike.
It's a little more complex - some states have some form of statuotry protection for (medical/recreational) marijuana use. All of those statues are only now being subjected to interpretion so this is going to be evolving (there's a recent Colorado case - Coates v. Dish Network).
If somehing involves a specifically enumerated protection under law then an employer couldn't set a policy and say "too bad my policy is more strict." If the law is silent on it is a different story and employers have a lot of leeway to set a policy.
Then add in the fact that something may be viewed as explicitly legal under state law and illegal under federal law and you have probably the biggest complicating factor. Mairjuan is still a Schedule 1 substance, and until that changes there is going to be potential issues.
Automatically placing dilute sample players into the drug program is fuckin DUMB. Do another test at least, jesus.
Especially because the NFL doesn't actually care for the most part. I read somewhere ( and someone can correct me if I'm wrong), but unless you have a history of failed drug tests, there is a pre-determined testing period where each player should be expected to be tested.
If you actually cared about players using marijuana, you would have random testing at any point in the year. The fact that they assume a diluted test is the same as a guilty verdict is absolutely asinine and inconcsistent with the rest of their protocol.
My comment is less about Jabrill (since I don't know if he smoked pot or not) and more about players as a whole. If you knew you were going to be tested before an event that could determine your life success, why would you take the chance? Wouldn't you stop smoking a month before? Two months before?
Edit: OK, so I asked the same question as everyone else. That just makes it that much more obvious.
because their school treats stars differently and they still think they are invincible. I will just stop here until more information comes forth.
He may or may not like to party, who the fuck cares.
This has nothing to do with NCAA. This was at the NFL combine.
April 27th, 2017 at 10:54 AM ^
Im just used to blaming them for stuff. But screw the NFL.
Carry on.
Mike Freeman @mikefreemanNFL 5 minutes ago
Text from front office executive on Jabrill Peppers and diluted sample: "Does he think we're stupid?"
Does anyone know the standard for classifying as a "Dilute Sample"? I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and the over-hydration explanation sounds plausible. Howeva . . . I would guess the test would try to eliminate a lot of "I drank a ton of water" excuses by having a diluted level far beyond what you would get in even the most extreme scenarios.
Totally possible due to accidental over-hydration. Also possible for people who are trying to cover something up.
Unfortunately, the NFL has an idiotic drug testing policy and doesn't immediately re-test players who gave a dilute sample, so we'll never know.