Miles Bridges "leaning heavily" toward returning to MSU
https://www.landof10.com/michigan-state/report-michigan-states-miles-br…
This per Adrian Wojnarowski. Would obviously be huge news for the Spartans and Big Ten basketball. You have to hand it to Izzo?
Okay, I'll ask you the exact same question I asked ldd10 above, because I just looked at your past posts and it definitely applies...
Could you clarify whether you're (a) an MSU fan who pretends to be a UM fan or (b) an MSU fan who acknowledges that he's an MSU fan while posting on a UM board?
I'm fine with (b), but your posting history suggests (a).
Davis is a good reference as to why a pure center who's only 6-foot-9 and isn't a consensus Top-25 recruit shouldn't go pro after a mediocre freshman season. You could argue that Izzo playing Davis in limited bursts allowed him to showcase only his strengths and hide his weaknesses, which is one of the primary reasons he got drafted in the first place. And you could also argue that Davis would have been drafted higher had he stayed and developed under Izzo longer.
MSU will be loaded next year with him. That Jaren Jackson they already have signed just got bumped to the #6 player in the country, he's going to be really good and a potential 1 and done.
All my MSU peeps at work have been sayng Bridges will be back, this is the 1st concrete sign as Wojarnowski is as solid of a source as it gets. With Bridges back MSU should be pre season top 3.
And yeah, with our luck we'll lose one of Wagner and Wilson, or both.
Well the good news is that potential 1 and dones under Izzo almost always are not. So Jackson is likely to have a good but not great year and then decide to stay for his sophomore year. If he planned on being 1 and done, I just crushed his dreams. Sorry.
Jackson is insanely young. He's 17 and won't be 18 until late this year. That could keep him in school along with the fact that his parents are wealthy.
I watched that Nike Hoops Summit game because I wanted to see Bamba play. Jackson way outplayed Bamba. Jackson is a better version of Deyonta Davis.
Bridges' mom wants him to go pro now, I think that might make the difference.
And Harris is one of the best young shooting guards in the NBA now and is poised to get a huge 2nd contract.
He's almost as good as THJ now.
on this. If they were like a Sweet 16 team this year that finished the year strong and showed amazing promise going forward I would be concerned. Fact is, they fizzled late, should not even have made the tournament and were way overseated. They were given a gift to 1) get in the tournament, and 2) get out of the first round.
I just want to point out that Gary Harris averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks his sophomore year than he did as a freshman. He was also first team All-Big as a soph compared to second team as a freshman. I'm not quite sure how you can come to the conclusion that Harris was better as a freshman than he was as a sophomore.
And most draft projections had Harris as a late first rounder after his freshman year, roughly between 20-25, not a lottery pick. I'm not sure where you got that impression either.
That is all.
About that.
Chad Ford has Trey Burke at No. 6, Gary Harris at No. 10 in his mock draft. That would assume both leave early, obviously.
— Chris Vannini (@ChrisVannini) April 9, 2013
April 12th, 2017 at 10:02 PM ^
His defense might've gotten marginally better but he was always good at that. The increase in points and assists is solely due to volume. He was a significantly less efficient offensive player as a sophomore, and his draft stock suffered as a result.
Again, I'm not sure how you have come to that conclusion. His offensive rating dropped from 117.2 to 116.9 from his freshman to sophomore years, but his offensive win share increased from 2.9 to 3.3, and his offensive +/- increased from 6.4 to 6.9. Hell, his PER increased from 19.2 to 22.5.
To say he was "significantly less efficient" is bizarre.
They haven't recruited good enough players to make the jump after year 1?
I don't find players staying longer at MSU as some connection to being a nice place to play. I would imagine every university where you are a big time star is pretty cushy.
Jealous of their basketball program?
Michigan - 2011 Second Round NCAA, 2012 First Round NCAA, 2013 NCAA Championship Game, 2014 NCAA Elite 8 (BIG champs), 2015 Missed tournament, 2016 NCAA First Round, 2017 NCAA Sweet 16 (BIg tourney champs).
Michigan State - 2011 NCAA Second Round, 2012 NCAA Sweet 16 (BIG champs), 2013 NCAA Sweet 16, 2014 NCAA Elite 8, 2015 NCAA Final Four, 2016 NCAA First Round (BIG tourney champs), 2017 NCAA Second Round.
We have two players deciding whether to go to the NBA, they have one. What exactly are we jealous of?
I guess this answers my question above. This kind of act is really pathetic.
Okay, pal.
This is where I stop engaging with you and hope, for your sake, that you're 12 years old.
and Wilson didn't hire agents man, I expect them to come back. My man:
Simpson, Robinson, MAAR, Wilson, Wagner, Matthews, Poole, Livers, Brooks. Teske, a legit 7 footer developing. One of three teams still in on Bamba. Combo guards from coast to coast showing interest.
I will take our future head to head against Michigan State.
Agree to a point. Certainly MSU's program is on a more solid footing and is recruiting better than Michigan's. That said, Beilen is a better developer of talent hands down than Izzo and IMO a better in game coach (although that's debatable).
This past year, Michigan overachieved while MSU significantly underachieved. Michigans fans just wish we were not usually starting with such a talent/recruiting deficit. And it would be nice to see some of the development guys stay and not be injured or not go pro at the first possible time. But it's hard to fault the players for going. It just seems like many of the 4 and 5 star players that MSU gets end up staying longer than expected (often because they didn't develop as quickly as expected).
Sparty had one big man, Ward, who was a freshman. That's it. Sure their recruits had some hype, but saying they "underachieved" with that kind of line-up might be a stretch.
This guy is definitely a Sparty.
nice things
Win something.
Izzo has no clue how to manage talent.
If Mo and DJ come back we will still beat them again next year. Ward is a homeless man's Swanigan. Langford and Winston will be better than our 1 and 2 but I still don't think they will be where the Sparty faithful think they should be.
His mom still lives in Flint and obviously could use the money and he's staying?
Well done, bagmen.
Tom Izzo is widely considered a great coach, but looking at his record.....do the results really back it up?
He hasn't won the Tournament since 2000 and he hasn't won the Big Ten regular season championship since 2012.
With all the talent he has recruited, is he really getting the results one would expect?
Not sure if you're serious but Izzo has a winning percentage of .712 overall (12th among active coaches) and .683 in the B1G (1st among active B1G coaches). In 22 years, his teams have finished in the top 4 of the B1G 16 times. He's won 7 B1G titles (4th all time). He's advanced to at least the Sweet Sixteen 13 times, the Elite Eight 9 times, the Final Four 5 times, and to the NC game twice, winning it once. He's made the tournament 20 straight years. He is #2 among active coaches in terms of tournament wins. Before he arrived Michigan State basketball was a distant second to Michigan, for the vast majority of his tenure they have been far superior. He essentially made MSU into a near elite program.
His best days are probably behind him but he's a hall of famer.
I guess I'm more asking about recent history.
If I'm wrong, though, then I'm wrong.