Not a great start for Lewis

Submitted by ldevon1 on

Jordan Lewis ran a 4.55 / 40  (official 4.54)

Channing Stribling ran a 4.68 / 40

1st run of the day for both. not sure how much time they give them before the second run, but not very good times considering it looks like most everyone is running in the 4.3 - 4.47 range. 

 

My bad, I forgot the 4 in my original post, but it looks like times are dropping after they have become official anyway. If his time doesn't drop, it isn't really isn't much different than other highly rated / considered corners. 

 

Lewis :  121 Broad jump / 34.5  vertical

Stribling : 114  Broad jump / 31.5 vertical - Striblings 40 has been updated to a 4.60 

LSAClassOf2000

March 6th, 2017 at 1:07 PM ^

This right here raises an interesting question - how much weight do combine stats really get overall? I imagine some scouts value them more than others, and it could very well be the case that they are mere trivia to some others, but I would love to hear teams talk about this frankly one day just out of my own curiosity on the subject. 

trueblueintexas

March 6th, 2017 at 1:41 PM ^

Clearly the combination of need, what you have done in college, your interview, your combine results, what your coach says about you, and your agent all impact final decisions.

Where I think the combine really helps is when you are trying to decide between two people you really like or are unsure about. When in doubt, it provides a concrete thing to compare with.

JonnyHintz

March 6th, 2017 at 1:46 PM ^

I think it's not that important, but it gives the players a chance to "wow," the scouts and GMs. Take a player like Delano Hill for example. We know he's a pretty good safety, with pretty good tackling and ball reading abilities. An average safety prospect. What we didn't know, is how truly fast he was. And that's even coming from a fan base that watches him play 12-13 times a year. He went from being decent-to-good at everything, to also having elite speed. That makes him a much more intriguing prospect. All in all, the combine isn't going to make or break a player. But it does give them the opportunity to showcase a skillset nobody knew they had and increase their value to an extent. Hill being able to run that fast ultimately makes him a more intriguing prospect that sticks out from the group of average safeties. It's not going to shoot him to the top of the draft (Unless...Oakland) but it makes him stick out just that much more.

Jimmyisgod

March 6th, 2017 at 12:35 PM ^

Delano Hill really helped himself with that 4.47 at 215 lbs.  MSU's Montae Nicholson ran a 4.43, for as big and fast as he was he had little effect on the games I saw him play.

Minny's Jalen Myrick is the fastest DB running a blazing 4.29.

alum96

March 6th, 2017 at 5:23 PM ^

Everyone said Nicholson would do great in the combine.  He is a great athlete who doesn't read the game well from what I can see.  That is exactly the type of guy a loser franchise will over reach for due to "measurables" while the Patriots and Steelers look at their draft board and say "they took a 6th rounder in the 4th?  Well that's why they are the Lions Browns Jaguars etc"...

uncle leo

March 6th, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^

But then do the 40 yard dash with the guy turned backwards to the finish, then have him flip and accelerate right after that. 

Yeah, you see go routes on occasion. But there is ALWAYS something that causes the player to have to deviate from that route. Whether it be the defense making an adjustment, the CB bumping him off a little bit, etc... 

The 40 has become like the highlight of the NFL Combine and I think it's one of the least important things when judging a player.

Inflammable Flame

March 6th, 2017 at 1:37 PM ^

How else is one to measure acceleration and sustained exertion at the same time? The act of a 40 yard dash is just a very simple exercise to combine those attributes and then quantify the results? But perhaps it be best to do an exercise in pads that starts off as a shuttle that turns into a 40 yard dash?

uncle leo

March 6th, 2017 at 1:44 PM ^

The 40 yard dash at all in terms of the overall presentation of a player. But it's touted and wrongly so as the main focus of the combine. Companies are giving away a million dollars to the player that beats Johnson's time. If you ever watch coverage of the combine, you are getting like 80 percent coverage of the 40s. It's become a false narrative that it's the most important part of the process.

JonnyHintz

March 6th, 2017 at 1:52 PM ^

I don't think people grasp how small of a margin that .1 second over 40 yards truly is. We are talking maybe a yard difference. Well within the "I'm going to put my hand up and swat the ball" range. If it takes you 40 yards to beat me by 3 feet, it isn't as easy as just running by me.

ak47

March 6th, 2017 at 2:21 PM ^

Sure it doesn't mean everything but the difference between the nfl and college is that the guys running 4.4 40's also know how to run precise roots and how to use their hands to beat press coverage, etc.  How many nfl receivers who are actually going to see playing time did Lewis match up with total in college, like 4 or 5? Probably not even that many.  The more you get to the very top the more those slight differences matter.  Of course a 40 time isn't the end all of everything, but his lack of top end speed will matter more in the nfl than it did in college. 

WorldwideTJRob

March 6th, 2017 at 2:39 PM ^

I disagree, Antonio Brown ran about a 4.6 at the combine. How many times have you saw him run past DB's in the NFL? Now ask yourself "how many of those guys ran faster than a 4.6 at the combine?". If scouts watch the film they will see that JD was in receivers hip pockets for the past 2 years. Sometimes technique negates speed. Plus he isn't afraid to stick his nose up in there in run support, he'll be fine. Even though the Minny DB ran 4.28, i predict Lewis will be drafted ahead of him.

Magnus

March 6th, 2017 at 2:41 PM ^

Chris Harris ran a 4.53
Casey Hayward ran a 4.57
Richard Sherman ran a 4.56

That's 3 out of 9 corners deemed to be the game's elite players at that position who have roughly the same 40 time as Jourdan Lewis.

pescadero

March 6th, 2017 at 4:09 PM ^

"Chris Harris ran a 4.53"

 

Chris Harrias ran a 4.48 at 5'10"/195lbs... and went undrafted.

 

"Casey Hayward ran a 4.57"

...and supposedly ran a 4.43 in HS, and had a laser timed 22.75 200 meter in HS.

 

"Richard Sherman ran a 4.56"

 

Richard Sherman is 6'3", and didn't get drafted until the 5th round

uncle leo

March 6th, 2017 at 1:13 PM ^

I doubt offensive coordinators are breaking down 40 times to determine who to pick on.

If it becomes well-known that Lewis is some slow-ass CB in the NFL, sure. But running a good 40 time isn't going to determine that. How he plays the receiver and reads defenses, that's really 99 percent of the game. Being able to sprint fast, nah.

How often do you see plays in the NFL go for 40+ yards because the CB was just too slow to keep up? Not often. It's usually a great throw, great route, breakdown in coverage. Not, "he beat that slow CB in a 1 v 1 sprint."

Jimmyisgod

March 6th, 2017 at 12:53 PM ^

Not a problem, but not a first round time for a slightly small corner.

Forty times are a predictor for some NFL scouts, not that a guy runs a 4.4 flat, but that if he's running a 4.4 flat he might still be running a 4.47 in a few years after getting beat up for that long in the NFL.  So if a guy is running a 4.6 now, they see a guy who could slow to a 4.7 in a few years and not be fast enough to play int he NFL.

funkifyfl

March 6th, 2017 at 12:54 PM ^

I don't know how any NFL exec. could prioritize these combine results over game tape. Show me what a guy can do in pads for starters! If a guy played college ball at a P5 program, I'd trust his tape over anything he did in underwear. If you're scouting some lesser known player from a lesser known team and you're trying to add data points that's one thing, but if "Player X's draft stock is falling because his Y time in the Z drill was bad" is your M.O., you deserve to make draft day mistakes. 

Blue in Paradise

March 6th, 2017 at 4:37 PM ^

It makes no sense why guys like Lewis even have to bother with the underwear drills. He must have 2,000 plays on tape vs. all levels of competition. What difference can combine drills make? Stribling also has a ton of tape but he is a bit more vulnerable because of his weakness with run D. So I could actually see this hurting him a bit.

Perkis-Size Me

March 6th, 2017 at 12:55 PM ^

Not an end all, be all death sentence. There's more to the combine than the 40 yard dash. He's got the instincts and the smarts to make it in the league.

Whoever grabs him is getting a great player. 

BeatIt

March 6th, 2017 at 1:11 PM ^

4.36 and 4.37, 38.5 vertical and a 11' broad jump, just might put him in the top 5 if a team is looking for a corner that high. Conley 4.44. The kid from Minnesota ran a 4.29 lol that's smokin, lol

BeatIt

March 6th, 2017 at 1:22 PM ^

is supposed to be the fastest guy on the team. He played nickel and rotated with Lattimore and Conley as the 3 rd corner. Kendel Sheffield may be better then all of them. He was the Bama transfer that spent 1 year in JC. supposed to be a good kick returner.

Night_King

March 6th, 2017 at 1:45 PM ^

Their incoming freshmen in the secondary will also be very good. But I'm not sure if they'll have three pieces from the defensive backfield all in the top 20 of the draft ever again. Guess we'll see.