Not a great start for Lewis
Jordan Lewis ran a 4.55 / 40 (official 4.54)
Channing Stribling ran a 4.68 / 40
1st run of the day for both. not sure how much time they give them before the second run, but not very good times considering it looks like most everyone is running in the 4.3 - 4.47 range.
My bad, I forgot the 4 in my original post, but it looks like times are dropping after they have become official anyway. If his time doesn't drop, it isn't really isn't much different than other highly rated / considered corners.
Lewis : 121 Broad jump / 34.5 vertical
Stribling : 114 Broad jump / 31.5 vertical - Striblings 40 has been updated to a 4.60
Something doesn't seem right about J Lewis or Striblings 40 times.
Is Spartan Bob working the laser timer?
Didn't realize he was so fast! Looks great. 4.47 nothing to sneeze about.
GO BLUE!!
There were a few TD saving plays he made last year where he looked fast. Didn't know he was that fast. I expect a faster time from Lewis in his next run.
Teams that over-value stats will pass, while teams that value actual play will scoop these guys up.
This right here raises an interesting question - how much weight do combine stats really get overall? I imagine some scouts value them more than others, and it could very well be the case that they are mere trivia to some others, but I would love to hear teams talk about this frankly one day just out of my own curiosity on the subject.
Clearly the combination of need, what you have done in college, your interview, your combine results, what your coach says about you, and your agent all impact final decisions.
Where I think the combine really helps is when you are trying to decide between two people you really like or are unsure about. When in doubt, it provides a concrete thing to compare with.
Delano Hill really helped himself with that 4.47 at 215 lbs. MSU's Montae Nicholson ran a 4.43, for as big and fast as he was he had little effect on the games I saw him play.
Minny's Jalen Myrick is the fastest DB running a blazing 4.29.
When did Minnesota leave the B1G and join the SEC?
Everyone said Nicholson would do great in the combine. He is a great athlete who doesn't read the game well from what I can see. That is exactly the type of guy a loser franchise will over reach for due to "measurables" while the Patriots and Steelers look at their draft board and say "they took a 6th rounder in the 4th? Well that's why they are the Lions Browns Jaguars etc"...
Useless stat that is judged so highly. How often are you running in a straight, 40 yard line in any sport that's not called track and field?
I don't know. Covering a vertical in man to man coverage seems like a common thing for CBs to do.
But then do the 40 yard dash with the guy turned backwards to the finish, then have him flip and accelerate right after that.
Yeah, you see go routes on occasion. But there is ALWAYS something that causes the player to have to deviate from that route. Whether it be the defense making an adjustment, the CB bumping him off a little bit, etc...
The 40 has become like the highlight of the NFL Combine and I think it's one of the least important things when judging a player.
The 40 yard dash at all in terms of the overall presentation of a player. But it's touted and wrongly so as the main focus of the combine. Companies are giving away a million dollars to the player that beats Johnson's time. If you ever watch coverage of the combine, you are getting like 80 percent coverage of the 40s. It's become a false narrative that it's the most important part of the process.
wr's and db's are the two position groups that would run 40 yds in a fairly straight line. Other than that you're looking at special teams players on punt and kick off coverage.
Really? Don't you think an offensive coordinator who knows Lewis is a bit slow will have his slightly faster wideout run deep routes to get separation?
Yeah, I mean, there are college receivers who run faster than a 4.55, too, and they didn't have a ton of success. It's not as simple as Guy Who Runs a 4.45 beats Guy Who Runs a 4.55 every time.
for Charlie Weis.
If we're talking about the difference between a 4.5 and a 4.6 - you're talking about almost exactly a yard over 40 yards.
I'm not saying its that 40 time is the sole factor, but how fast a guy runs in relation to who he is running agains is a factor. Its why they do the drills (emphasis on plural - its one indicator among many).
Sure it doesn't mean everything but the difference between the nfl and college is that the guys running 4.4 40's also know how to run precise roots and how to use their hands to beat press coverage, etc. How many nfl receivers who are actually going to see playing time did Lewis match up with total in college, like 4 or 5? Probably not even that many. The more you get to the very top the more those slight differences matter. Of course a 40 time isn't the end all of everything, but his lack of top end speed will matter more in the nfl than it did in college.
I disagree, Antonio Brown ran about a 4.6 at the combine. How many times have you saw him run past DB's in the NFL? Now ask yourself "how many of those guys ran faster than a 4.6 at the combine?". If scouts watch the film they will see that JD was in receivers hip pockets for the past 2 years. Sometimes technique negates speed. Plus he isn't afraid to stick his nose up in there in run support, he'll be fine. Even though the Minny DB ran 4.28, i predict Lewis will be drafted ahead of him.
Chris Harris ran a 4.53
Casey Hayward ran a 4.57
Richard Sherman ran a 4.56
That's 3 out of 9 corners deemed to be the game's elite players at that position who have roughly the same 40 time as Jourdan Lewis.
"Chris Harris ran a 4.53"
Chris Harrias ran a 4.48 at 5'10"/195lbs... and went undrafted.
"Casey Hayward ran a 4.57"
...and supposedly ran a 4.43 in HS, and had a laser timed 22.75 200 meter in HS.
"Richard Sherman ran a 4.56"
Richard Sherman is 6'3", and didn't get drafted until the 5th round
Come on. If we go by high school numbers, every skill player ever runs a 4.4. Yes, that's an exaggeration, but high school 40 times are notoriously out of whack.
If all we had was a self reported 4.4 - I agree.
Given that we also have a laser time 22.75 200 meter, a mid to high 4.4 number doesn't seem at all unusual.
I doubt offensive coordinators are breaking down 40 times to determine who to pick on.
If it becomes well-known that Lewis is some slow-ass CB in the NFL, sure. But running a good 40 time isn't going to determine that. How he plays the receiver and reads defenses, that's really 99 percent of the game. Being able to sprint fast, nah.
How often do you see plays in the NFL go for 40+ yards because the CB was just too slow to keep up? Not often. It's usually a great throw, great route, breakdown in coverage. Not, "he beat that slow CB in a 1 v 1 sprint."
Not a problem, but not a first round time for a slightly small corner.
Forty times are a predictor for some NFL scouts, not that a guy runs a 4.4 flat, but that if he's running a 4.4 flat he might still be running a 4.47 in a few years after getting beat up for that long in the NFL. So if a guy is running a 4.6 now, they see a guy who could slow to a 4.7 in a few years and not be fast enough to play int he NFL.
His hips dont lie
I mean. Everyone is basically the same speed. It's not just about the 40.
IIRC, a 4.68 is the same time that Donovan Warren ran...and he didn't get drafted.
That's a little disappointing for him I'm sure considering, for context, Junior Hemingway ran a 4.53.
(What was odd to me was discovering that Mario Manningham ran a 4.59)
I don't know how any NFL exec. could prioritize these combine results over game tape. Show me what a guy can do in pads for starters! If a guy played college ball at a P5 program, I'd trust his tape over anything he did in underwear. If you're scouting some lesser known player from a lesser known team and you're trying to add data points that's one thing, but if "Player X's draft stock is falling because his Y time in the Z drill was bad" is your M.O., you deserve to make draft day mistakes.
Not an end all, be all death sentence. There's more to the combine than the 40 yard dash. He's got the instincts and the smarts to make it in the league.
Whoever grabs him is getting a great player.
Lattimore, Conley and Hooker are all top 20 picks, for sure. Lattimore and Hooker probably top 10. I'm glad we aren't seeing that defensive backfield again next season.
Their incoming freshmen in the secondary will also be very good. But I'm not sure if they'll have three pieces from the defensive backfield all in the top 20 of the draft ever again. Guess we'll see.