Can't let it go? Delusional PSU theories you HAVE to hear

Submitted by superstringer on

These are from the mouths of a couple ardent PSU fans who relayed to me some of the things other PSU fans talk about.  This is what happens when its You vs. The Rational World.  More proof that truth is stranger than fictio -- you couldn't make up some of these (#2 and #4 in particular), I mean, unless you actually believed them to be true.

1. ITS THE SANCTIONS -- You've all heard this, but it continues to this day.  Why did PSU not have backup linebackers? B/c the sanctions crippled recruiting over the years.  Why does the OL suck?  B/c for years the sanctions deprived them of having full teams for practice.  It's the one excuse that explains everything away, and continues to do so.

2.  COACHING CONSPIRACY -- This one's my favorite.  We all "know" B1G schools have been negatively recruiting PSU.  And coaches who have been most successful at this have been "rewarded" with HC gigs "in PSU's main recruiting territory," to continue that negative recruiting.  The proof:

MSU DC Narduzzi --> PA (Pitt)
OSU DC Ash --> NJ (Rutgers)
UM DC Durken --> MD (UMd)

See?  You can't deny those "facts."  People involved in negatively recruiting PSU for things that aren't PSU's fault (Sandusky, media frenzy, Hackenberg, etc.) are now put in position to further undermine PSU's ability to restock itself.

3.  ITS NOT THE COACHES -- Franklin is a great guy and no one could be expected to do well against the forces against him.  Oh, and Bill O'Brien?  He didn't abandon ship.  Rather, he wants to be HC of the Patriots when Gawd retires, so he wanted to get into the NFL as an HC as soon as he could and prepare himself for that.

4.  IT'S ACTUALLY ALL HACKENBERG'S FAULT -- Kid was a mess between the ears, and because he sold the program to rely on him so much, he single-handedly tanked the program's recovery.  Had the kid been good, we wouldn't be here talking about the demise of PSU.  They'd have been winning, getting top recruits as a result, etc.

5.   IT'S THE MEDIA'S FAULT.  The media LOVES tearing down successful programs.  They's rather that USC, PSU, etc. all suck than be successful.  (Of course if you take this logic to the extreme... then the media would prefer that all the blue bloods suck, and the national championship be decided between Boise St., Northern Illinois, Connecticutt and Purdue.)

Dudes and dudettes, when you have this much blame to go around ... of course PSU fans can feel victimized by everyone else.

reddogrjw

September 26th, 2016 at 4:02 PM ^

This was more than JoePa and Jerry

 

This was an entire school leadership issue along with the trustees

 

The fact that they celebrated JoePa earlier this year shows how tone-deaf the school leaders are

 

It appears from the outside that Happy Valley is a cult and JoePa is the idol they worship - I know there are level headed people there that see this for what it is but they are far outnumbered in Happy Valley and I don't see the PSU leadership changing their tune anytime soon if ever

saveferris

September 26th, 2016 at 11:46 AM ^

During the Rodriguez / Hoke / Brandon interregnum, my passion for Michigan was curtailed.  I didn't feel the same kind of pride I had as a student back in the 90's because it felt like so much of what made Michigan special was being eroded by crappy football and incompetent AD management, which is orders of magnitude less severe than the kind of tarnish that has befallen Penn State.

If a scandal the magnitude of the Sandusky affair were to befall Michigan, I can see some people turning their backs on the program.  Not all would, of course.  Honestly, I'd bet we'd react very similarly to the way Nitanny Lion fans have.  We all want to believe we'd handle it differently, but don't kid yourself.

Reader71

September 26th, 2016 at 4:25 PM ^

I can only speak for myself, but as someone who loves UM, graduated from UM, played football for UM, and considers UM football as much a part of my life as my arm -- I would absolutely turn my back on the program if it did what PSU did. I would do that because I would feel personally betrayed. I don't get guys like Franco Harris and Matt Millen. They were sold a bill of goods. They were lied to.. Paterno purported to mold them and care for them and love them, but he lied to them every day -- looked them in the eye and told them to do the right thing while covering up for a monster.

Perkis-Size Me

September 25th, 2016 at 3:30 PM ^

Conspiracies and the media don't lose you games 45-10. It's the fact that you have a crappy team is what loses you games 45-10.

When your staff is out-coached by Brady Hoke, that's probably a cue that it's time for them to go.



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jsquigg

September 25th, 2016 at 3:45 PM ^

I wouldn't be as hard on Penn State if they didn't delusionally continually celebrate a rape enabler.  If Delaney wasn't a dumb, balless piece of shit he would kick them to the curb with Rutgers.

BlueHills

September 25th, 2016 at 4:08 PM ^

It all started in 1971 with Apollo 15, the mission to the moon manned by three Michigan alumni. As we all know, this moon landing was faked by Bo Schembechler and filmed in Crisler Arena, and its sole purpose was to prevent a Penn State alum from landing on the moon. A group of aliens known as "the Greys and Scarlets," who were actually OSU officials in disguise, conspired with UM on this, and as we all know, Schembechler had once been an OSU assistant coach.

Thereafter, OSU and Michigan conspired to have PSU admiited to the Big Ten only 19 years later, for the sole purpose of dismantling their program and taking over their pipeline to New Jersey. In the process, they slipped Jerry Sandsusky a psychedelic drug that destroyed his mind and made him attracted to little boys, to guarantee the eventual destruction of the sainted PSU football program.

Being the trusting souls that the noble PSU people were, they were misled by these nefarious powers and innocently joined the Big Ten, not realizing that it was out to get them. All they really wanted was to stay independent, or join the ACC.

The only way of righting this unrightable wrong, to love, pure and chaste from afar, is to strive with their last ounce of courage to reacah the unreachable star. This is their quest; to follow that star; no matter how hopeless, no matter how far.

To get out of Dodge,

to make a hodgepodge,

of conspiracy theories, is the best they can do;

to conquer their fears,

and hold back their tears, no matter the years.....

and grasp at the straws, screw the laws, and the world's righteous scorn!

This is Penn State

The victims of hate

Thus their pride is reboooooorrrrrnnnn!

 

BlueMk1690

September 25th, 2016 at 4:21 PM ^

are the main thing they obsess about and it's not even on your list. I've been reading PSU forums for 15 years (because it's quite funny) and every time they lose a Big Ten game in a close fashion they all blame the refs and come out and go "WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE JOINED THIS CONFERENCE, THE REFS STILL HATE US AS OUTSIDERS, WE NEED TO CREATE AN EAST COAST CONFERENCE".

It's especially bad when they lose to us as they assume that we control the conference. Even yesterday they considered the refs one of the main reasons for their defeat. That thing has festered in their minds because their stay in the Big Ten hasn't been the way they envisioned. They've had that peak in the late 70s and 80s and they just never got back to it and it's easier for them to pin it on the Big Ten than on their inability to move past JoePa (who should have been let go in the early 00s even ignoring the pedo stuff).

dipshit moron

September 25th, 2016 at 4:47 PM ^

read this morning on their rivals board that their team was drugged by michigan employes  at their hotel. the theory is benydrl was put in their food to slow them down, which is why they were so sluggish. didnt even have to make that up.

BlueinLansing

September 25th, 2016 at 5:25 PM ^

the scholarship reductions did and have hurt.

it is that programs negatively recruit against PSU, because there's a lot of god damn ammunition to fire about them the last 10 years.

It is the coaches because Franklin looks next to clueless most of the time and his game management and decision making is hilariously bad.  How the fuck he ever won in the SEC is amazing.

Hackenburg was a terrible QB, but once upon a time a media mouth said Hackenburg will be a great pro, (it was probably Millen) and PSU fans bought into that hype and expectation that he could never live up to behind that awful offensive line and less than quality coaching staff.

 

The media?, whatever, for PSU fans pre-Big 10 they were the media darlings of the Northeast, big fish in the little pond beating up on Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia and Pittsburgh.  When they joined a bigger pond with bigger fish the media and the rest of us just simply learned that big bad Penn State wasn't really that big and bad.

 

 

drzoidburg

September 25th, 2016 at 5:25 PM ^

I will say this as far as blaming the media or negative recruiting on their shit current team. If they would've done the right thing, not only fire Paterno and take down the statue but *as a community* accepted that football caused all this, not showed up with insane "For the kids" signs at the Nebraska game, shut down the programs for a couple years, not tried to make their insurance pay or sue the NCAA for wins that meaning nothing next to the child abuse they caused (especially since Paterno just sat in the press box falling asleep for the last few dozen anyway), not try to bribe victims into not talking, told the remaining Paternos to fuck right off.... Then everyone will be on their side now and they would recover a lot faster. No Onion articles. I know the theory is the death penalty destroyed SMU, but that's SMU and anyway, Penn state should have shown true remorse and stop thinking of their addiction only

NittanyFan

September 25th, 2016 at 5:52 PM ^

Penn State and their insurance company (PMA) settled things out-of-court Thursday.  Terms were undisclosed --- likely somewhere in the middle.  

IMO, PMA would have lost the case if it had gone to court.  I've read the insurance contracts and the language was pretty clear.  PMA did have a "trump card" though and they played it --- leaking to the press the details of those "confidential" settlements.  Insurance companies: they do like reward (collection of premiums) but don't like risk (payment) as much.

UNCWolverine

September 25th, 2016 at 6:04 PM ^

It is inaccurate to deny that the recruiting sanctions did not have a negative effect on their current roster. So not sure how point #1 makes any sense. It basically shifted their roster experience down a click or two. So its tough to deny that claim to some extent. #2 sounds like something completely made up, either by the OP or PSU fans. Is there an actual list of negative recruiters out there? Every school does it in some fashion. Saying that these three coaches that do it the most is very convenient until there is some actual objective data that proves these are the worst culprits.

The FannMan

September 25th, 2016 at 7:28 PM ^

PSU Fans - Your Big Ten conspiracy theories are 100% reasonable and correct.  The only rational thing for you to do is to take your program, with all its history, and immediately leave the conference.

Yep!  That'd teach us.  That'd teach us real good.

I dumped the Dope

September 25th, 2016 at 8:02 PM ^

They leaned on Paterno wayy to long.  In the 90s...the guy was wearing 6" flood pants to games and the cameras wouldn't show it, if you saw the halftime/postgame interview it was clear he was just watching the game.  Finally they moved him to the pressbox to restore a little doubt...

Then some really bad stuff was revealed to have happened.

They had what I thought was a high-tier coach in BoB who seemed committed to long term despite the crippling scholly reductions and the "no-penalty" transfer agreement the NC2A setup.  But...somehow they pushed him over the edge...I can't say specifically what but it was related to some part of the (admin, fanbase, alumni) urging him to somehow link with the past football successes.

Franklin is mediocre at football.  My opinion is he talks a great game.  Probably why he's theoretically good at recruiting.

For some reason they are still stupidly stuck with Paterno, witness whatever halftime show they concocted.  They need to flush the cat, let Franklin do some more recruiting, and flush him too when a better HC comes available.

I don't hate them other than their grotesque crimes against humanity.  The current coaching staff and players had zero to do with that I feel confident, and so they deserved to be judged merely as competitors on the field.  But they are trapped in a circle of mental weakness they have to somehow break out of if they are to ever move on.

 

markusr2007

September 25th, 2016 at 10:35 PM ^

I hate to say this, but it's almost as if the favorite college football team of everyone in Pennsylvania got wished into a cornfield by a little kid.
Somehow, with all that has happened there over the last several years - and last weekend- that would be a narrative of justice, not horror.



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