ND... Be careful what you wish for.

Submitted by cali4444 on

Does anyone see a chance of Tom Herman ending up at ND if Kelly and the Irish go belly up this year?  I really don't want to see him at one of our rivals.....hoping Texas or another school down there gets to him before OSU, ND or even PSU eventually come calling.

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UMProud

September 25th, 2016 at 7:30 PM ^

Since when do we fear any coach?  Tom Herman appears to be good but so did other coaches who had fatal flaws that developed.  Even if he doesn't flame out I'd welcome him and any good coach as a competitor. 

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mackbru

September 25th, 2016 at 7:31 PM ^

Texas, sure. But don't bet against USC. He's a Southern California native. USC's path to the championship has fewer obstacles than LSU's. And Baton Rouge is a toilet. Swamp or beach? Hmm. Let's see...

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Carcajou

September 26th, 2016 at 9:26 AM ^

LA does beat Baton Rouge for weather and most things, but It's funny how people have this image of USC being glamorous Hollywood-on-the-Beach when it is really neither. It is a nice campus, but it's been an enclave, surrounded by high fences, in one of the not-so-nice, higher crime neighborhoods of LA.

UCLA OTOH is in a posh area of LA, not far from the beaches of Santa Monica. The Rose Bowl is in Pasadena, nowhere near campus.

 

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Heywood_Jablome

September 25th, 2016 at 7:35 PM ^

This Herman fever has gotten out of hand.  Is the guy a good coach? Probably.  The first 2 years he was at OSU their fans were constantly bitching about his play calling.  It wasn't until the last 3 games of 2014 that they liked him.

So I don't see how he's any different than any of the other guys in Urban's coaching tree.  He's no Urban Meyer, that's for sure.  I guess if you can't hire Urban maybe he's the next best thing, but maybe he's not.  I'd like to see how he does against good competition every week, not once or twice a year.

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Wolfman

September 25th, 2016 at 7:46 PM ^

if they were hung with a new rope. 

Look at his record while there and I don't think you'll find a logical reason for the bitching. In fact, it was the year after he left that UIrban inexpicably had his worst coaching year. I'm not talking Ws and Ls, just the entire team being in a funk until MSU woke them up. Thinking Herman would have reminded him of the need to find a qb and stick with him. 

Many of our fans are questioning Jim for not giving O'Korn more reps but he's actually had more D1 snaps than Wilton. Speight needs a lot of work to be the qb Jim wants him to be the QB he knows he can become. 

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Heywood_Jablome

September 25th, 2016 at 7:54 PM ^

OSU's offense looked like shit most of 2014 as well.  That part just gets glossed over because they ended up winning the NC after an incredible 3 game run.

So he left there on a super high note and that is how their fans (and the rest of the country) kind of remember him now.  But there were loud calls for his firing before that, particularly after they lost the B10 Championship in 2013 and lost to VT in 2014.

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crg

September 25th, 2016 at 7:50 PM ^

I partially agree, in the fact that there is far too much hype about a coach that only been in the HC position for 1+ years and has not completed a full cycle (~ 4 years).  If he can sustain that success for several years, then the demand would be justified.  As we all know, someonce can have a good stint as a coordinator and yet fail as a HC over time.

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Wolfman

September 25th, 2016 at 7:38 PM ^

other than his brief stints at IA St and tOSU, his coaching career has been throughout the state of TX. He has a footprint everywhere and TX knows, despite Mac leaving TX much like Carr did UM in terms of talent, if Charlie doesn't make a big jump - say 9-10 wins, Tom would be their man and they had better grab him quickly. There are like 10 possibilities that would be a step up from Houston sans/Big 12 and only two of them are in TX. 

Hook him Horns. 

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I dumped the Dope

September 25th, 2016 at 8:17 PM ^

state of Texas has sooo much football talent its ridiculous.  I regard it greater than the state of CA for same.  TX natives have been known to purposefully hold their boys back 1 year in kindergarten so they have an advantage as a senior athlete in high school....just saying...

TX talent can easily be mined in TX or just over the border in Baton Rouge.  Much harder to mine same from South Bend.

I think when B Kelly had to flush like 5 DB players off the team/suspend/punish in fall camp, it hurt them a lot more than we know.  He's also become a little predictable.  His "X" pattern goalline play crossing two wide receivers (the one they got penalized on for "offensive blocking" trying to pick/rub a defender has probably become known and defendable by now)  Kelly probably bought two more seasons firing GourdHead. 

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mackbru

September 25th, 2016 at 7:47 PM ^

Yeah, I'm sure his Texas contacts help in the early going with recruiting and so forth. But I think that's a little overrated within this context. Both USC and LSU attract blue-chip talent no matter. He'd automatically inherit a recruiting powerhouse regardless. And both locations rival Texas in high school talent.

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gobluerebirth

September 25th, 2016 at 9:13 PM ^

No, I don't think so. Proof for me was how much trouble OSU had running their offense w/o him. When the year before the Pillsbury dough boy(or Penn state's kicker) could've won the NC game. winning with a third string qb vets you noticed I remember Brian Kelley doing the same at UC.

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pdgoblue25

September 25th, 2016 at 8:03 PM ^

Aside from being a titanic asshole, Kelly is doing a better job at ND than anyone has done in 20 years. He's top 10 recruiting every year, and he just had 6 players drafted in the 1st 4 rounds. I'm assuming LSU and USC will have a bidding war for Herman.

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Wolfman

September 25th, 2016 at 8:03 PM ^

If he plays Louisville tight and possibly wins, he'll have his choice. However, as to building a power, he could be in a situation Schnellenberger had at Miami. He's already improved their recruiting, landed the first 5* in school history and could load up w/o traveling over 34 miles from campus. He's been all over TX and probably is aware he could have a good lifetime job - probably naming his salary - by merely staying put and building a top 7-10 national program. 

Not many coaches get the opportunity to build a program. He might find this challenge to be too attractive. Four, Five years of .850 ball and he'd be among the highest paid coaches and most accomplished in the game. 

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BlueWon

September 25th, 2016 at 8:12 PM ^

The best fit for what he does schematically would be USC given the talent around there but I'd bet he ends up at LSU. Texas would be a possibility but Strong could be around for a bit yet.

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O S Who

September 25th, 2016 at 8:13 PM ^

I don't think it would be smart for ND to fire Kelly this year. he is the best coach they have had in a long time. plus, you never want to be apart of a coaching search when LSU, Texas, and USC are also looking for a coach.

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Perkis-Size Me

September 25th, 2016 at 8:41 PM ^

Depends on how you define better.

If it's defined by who has won more recently, then yes, absolutely OSU is a far better job. But ND can pay whatever OSU pays and then some. ND has the prestige OSU has. They have the resources, the boosters, the fan base, anything and everything you'd ever want if you were trying to be convinced to come coach there. Meyer would win ND a national title within three years. The right coach can do the same things at ND that someone can do at OSU.

I doubt Meyer leaves OSU to go to ND. I think he's pretty happy where he's at. I think the only job that could cause him to leave is the right gig in the NFL. Maybe he gets the itch one day to prove himself at the highest level. I doubt it, he doesn't seem like he'd fit in the pros. But hey, stranger things have happened.



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SpikeFan2016

September 25th, 2016 at 11:24 PM ^

If Michigan reemerges, MSU remains decent, and PSU eventually gets its act together, OSU would routinely have a much harder path to the playoff than ND by a huge margin (They already do). Also, given that Notre Dame is not in a conference, their AD, and by extension their head coach, gets a ton more say in the direction of the program and scheduling, things of that nature. 

 

So there are two reasons where a rational potential HC could consider ND a better job. Also, if someone was a devout Catholic that could be a plus (although that also definitely could be a negative for non-religious coaches).

 

But OSU certainly beats ND in way more metrics/overall. Just playing devil's advocate. 

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Perkis-Size Me

September 25th, 2016 at 8:35 PM ^

If that happens, as long as it's after Herman already has another job locked down.

It would be Michigan's fucking luck again for its top rival to lose its coach, who happens to be one of the all time greats but will probably retire in 5ish years, and only for that rival to gain another coach who may very well become one of the all time greats, but has another 20-30 years in him.



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michfn2

September 25th, 2016 at 8:38 PM ^

Unless Kelly completely implodes, I doubt he gets canned. I highly doubt ND wants to pay another coach to do nothing right now.



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Njia

September 25th, 2016 at 8:41 PM ^

Brian Kelly is the antithesis of everything coaches like Harbaugh, Bo, Woody, and even Dantonio and Meyer stand for. Did you hear his press conference after yesterday's loss? Once again, it was all about "him." To whit, from MLive:
This time, he said, it wasn't the coaches pointing the players in the wrong direction. Kelly put the onus on the Irish players, whose team fell to 1-3 with the defeat. That matches the worst start to a season in Kelly's seven years at the helm. "Actually, (coaching is) probably the one area that I feel better about today," he said during his 8 ½-minute postgame press conference at Notre Dame Stadium Saturday night. "We did what I wanted today in terms of coaching. And coaching had nothing to do with the outcome today."
And then there was this gem:
"So, if you want to play for me moving forward..."
Why on earth would anyone want to play for that douche rocket?

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treetown

September 25th, 2016 at 9:00 PM ^

I caught part of what he said in the post game press conference but did I hear correctly!? He said something like all 22 starting positions were open to re-evaluation, then said all positions were up for re-evaluation, then said something like except the long snapper.

It was totally weird and discombobulated. Usually veteran coaches have their coach-speak module plugged in and can work their way through a bad beat without showing their real anger or frustration. 

If shows how tenuous his support must be if so soon after a NC appearance he is now pitching everyone under the bus. 

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Yeoman

September 26th, 2016 at 4:12 PM ^

I remember a radio interview he did in Cincinnati before the '09 Orange Bowl. The interviewer lobbed one of those softball questions where the coach is invited to say something good about his employer. "You've been here three years now--what do you think of the University?" and then you're supposed to say something about the children's hospital or whatever.

So our local radio guy tried that with Kelly...and Kelly came back with "I'm just glad to have had the chance to put this University on the map."

 

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getsome

September 25th, 2016 at 8:44 PM ^

OSU hiring Herman? If PSU and ND are long shots, I don't know what OSU would be - last I checked they had a pretty decent coach (yeah, Florida, health concerns, etc)! I try to avoid much of the "snark" type comments or whatever on here but posing that question or worrying about those highly unlikely scenarios deserves deserves nothing but. Houston, LSU, Texas, USC, etc, those are current legit options for Herman. ND, PSU, OSU...not so much

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Esterhaus

September 25th, 2016 at 9:47 PM ^

That school's best hope is a football alumnus with major coaching chops. I look around and fail to see an acceptable matriculated candidate. A ND outsider is unlikely to recruit the types of football players ND claims exist in numbers adequate to load a full championship-caliber team. The world has moved on. Coaching football at ND is like their stadium - the "infrastructure" is so self-limiting modernization cannot obtain.

ND fancies what Stanford has currently but Northern Indiana isn't California with its advantages and so I believe ND will never attract sustained core nucleus except for the remote hope anomalous classes may bring every now and then. Hiring Van Gorder for DC signaled a program that was lacking an attainable plan.

The hype will be there for a long time, but unless the school's admin is willing to rework the way football players are recruited, mentored by peers and otherwise attended, then that program will remain hype with the occasional 10-2 performing team. Kelly is the best they can have.

Harbaugh has adapted and structured accordingly. It's absolutely true that nobody's got it better than us for what Michigan seeks. We have been blessed.

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EGD

September 25th, 2016 at 10:13 PM ^

I don't know. Notre Dame still has a national profile, all its home games are broadcast on NBC, and they are the first choice of countless talented Catholic prospects. If a coach doesn't succeed there, I think it's more likely that he's not that great of a coach than some kind of structural problem with the job.

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