Two MORE redshirts burned

Submitted by Wolverine Devotee on

Going through the box score and the participation report, I noticed that we have two more burned redshirts.

Carlo Kemp and Elysee Mbem-Bosse both got into the action.

At this point it's easier to list those who still HAVE their redshirt as 21 of the 26 players that made it to the team from the 2016 class have burned their redshirt.

Those players with RS still remaining are: Ronald Johnson, Quinn Nordin, Brandon Peters, Stephen Spanellis and Kareem Walker.

 

Perkis-Size Me

September 18th, 2016 at 1:53 PM ^

If burning these red shirts help us win, then do it.

Remember too that we're going to need to replace a lot on this team next year. A LOT. Harbaugh knows that better than anyone, I'm guessing he's thinking to himself that if his team has to be young next year, they might as well be experienced.



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kman23

September 18th, 2016 at 4:11 PM ^

If this helps us marginally this year some might be okay with it. I just hate when you have seniors that finally start to click and would have been very good with a 5th year.

 

Just think about Taco, Gedeon, Dymonte Thomas, Hill and Stribling. How nice would it be if they were coming back next year? Sure this assumes they wouldn't enter the draft but how many of these had meaningful contributions as freshmen? Would it be anywhere near what a 5th year would do?

 

 

jmblue

September 18th, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^

I've stopped worrying about this stuff.  If we assume that Harbaugh will continue to recruit well (and why not?), it really shouldn't matter much if some guys exhaust their eligibility in 2019 instead of 2020.

 

 

Snake Oil Steve

September 18th, 2016 at 2:32 PM ^

For some reason (given our practice of playing/not-playing freshman in the past few years) I was under the impression that true freshman could play in non-conference games, but not conference games, and still preserve their redshirts? is that just something way off that I probably-most-definitely picked up from a Matt Millen broadcast?

Zok

September 18th, 2016 at 2:38 PM ^

Than you are probably not NFL material and we'd probably rather an early entry bound junior be playing. Sounds harsh but those are just facts. We probably want as many NFL bound juniors in the starting lineup as possible. If we want to beat Bama, OSU and be playoff or B1G title program than we can't build a team like Wisconsin...or even MSU. Yes I know MSU best OSU in a fluke last year. We see what happens when they play Bama. The best players must play. Best athletes must play early to get reps and groomed to be potential stars. If they don't get there then the next crop of recruits will be nipping at their heels to try all over again. I mean if you look at OSU skill players we can't expect gritty, well coached, but inferior athletes to beat them. They will get beat to the edge or over the top. Out "athleted" if you will. Only OL Really consistently could use RS. Even now Frosh QBs are stepping in day 1 and doing well. Given Harbaughs pro style scheme probably best that we don't have Frosh starters so they can understand the playbook though. Im personally hoping there are 2-3 more Evans types emerging before Nov. Frosh that you just have to play or start bc they are too good. Need that kind of talent to make playoff. Beat OSU.

Snake Oil Steve

September 18th, 2016 at 6:22 PM ^

I think this is spot on. If we recruit the way we all think we're going to recruit in the next few years under Harbaugh, this will not be an issue. Also agree that preserving Redshirts for freshmen o-linemen make sense, so I was somewhat surprised when they burned Onwenu's redshirt this year (I can see Bredeson or any other freshman that is a top-7 lineman, or needed because of injury). Would also throw safeties into the pile of "would prefer these freshmen redshirt because that's such a tough adjustment from high school to college (similar to QBs). The trigger should be pulled for everyone else when they're ready

I dumped the Dope

September 18th, 2016 at 9:23 PM ^

Number of additional things

- avoids those 5th year "conversations" that the media loves to pick up and run with

- the huge class Hoke had to recruit after Rod got canned setup this off center lobular distribution of class sizes, somehow it seems like it should get back to center.

- having an exorbitantly large group of "5th year" can payoff big if it hits just right, but then its bust for like 2 more years after that.

The Reeve

September 18th, 2016 at 2:55 PM ^

I have always had a kernel of terror inside of me when I watch a Michigan game: fear of that team-changing, season-altering injury. Every football fan has seen examples of this; Colorado fans saw it yesterday. The most recent example for us was Glasgow’s injury mid-season last year. Further back, Russell Bellomy @ Nebraska comes to mind.

I have this 3D image in my mind of the cliff that exists just behind various starters on either side of the ball, a cliff sometimes as sheer as the cliff from Denard to Russell. The point of this post is that coaches obviously know injuries happen, and they hunger for real depth. Teams like Colorado—a damn good team, in my opinion—have little depth; their starters are all standing on the edge of a high cliff, like Liufau. Teams like Alabama and Ohio State have staggering depth, at worst a gentle slope behind most of their starters.

I might suggest that the great redshirt bonfire is Harbaugh in an all-out push for depth, and that we will see this going forward. The day and age of saving redshirts and crossing your fingers that you don’t have to plug in a walk-on to preserve an extra year in the far future for a blue-chip are gone, in my opinion.

 

UofM626

September 18th, 2016 at 3:34 PM ^

That just because you enter a game you haven't burned your redshirt. Just saying. You have I think till week 3 and a mining amour of plays played before you burn your redshirt.

BigWeb

September 18th, 2016 at 5:27 PM ^

I have no idea what the redshirt rule is but it seems like they have to play a certain amount of game time or snaps? Whats the truth to losing a redshirt possibility?

 

edit, nevermind.

Avon Barksdale

September 18th, 2016 at 7:20 PM ^

I was personally happy to see Kemp out there because he maybe can fill in a snap here and there vs OSU when we have our inevitable November injuries. He would be a welcome sight from seeing Brady Pallante driven twelve yards down the field every snap.