Empty seats
Was disappointed to see all the empty seats at the top of the northwest corner of the stadium Saturday, not just at the beginning of the game, but throughout the game. Are those just unsold tickets? Was it due to the noon start? I don't get it, if you can't get excited about the home opener, on a beautiful Saturday morning, in Harbaugh's home debut, against a Power 5 conference opponent, what will it take?
[Edit: Topic obviously touched a nerve, judging by the negs. Thanks for the reasoned responses. Not sure I buy the compaction theory. Just look at some of the photos from the UTL games and the stadium is full to the brim. If compaction is the answer, then why don't we see that impact at all games?]
September 15th, 2015 at 11:31 AM ^
Well...technically this is a problem with word choice, not grammar. Specifically homophones--words that are pronounced the same, but have different meanings (humorously in this case), and may differ in spelling.
September 15th, 2015 at 8:38 AM ^
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September 15th, 2015 at 8:46 AM ^
Thank you for your service.
September 15th, 2015 at 8:48 AM ^
September 15th, 2015 at 9:15 AM ^
It looks quite empty up there and it's been happening on a regular basis during the last few years of Brandon/Hoke. I'm not sure what the solution is but this never happened during the RR or Carr era even against MAC teams. Maybe reducing the student section at the top is the answer.
September 15th, 2015 at 8:52 AM ^
The students have always "compressed" to the front. Only recently have we seen empty rows up top, so they are behaving differently than students of the past with regard to attendance at games. I'm not going to worry about it. They didn't show up in the 60s and early 70s either. Start winning again and the stadium will be full.
September 15th, 2015 at 8:52 AM ^
We have 3 season tickets which cost enough but once a year we have a family day which usually means buying about another 6 after market. This year it's the BYU game and it isn't cheap. Take into account parking, tailgating, MDen, concessions and it's always well over a $1,000 day for us in addition to what we've already paid for the season tix. For my wife who is alumni, I, a lifelong fan and our family it's worth it. To many it's understandably not. Just as easy and often more comfortable watching at home or your favourite bar.
As for changing times, several of my wife's family are alumni and we know several current students and the student mindset about game day has changed.
Those empty seats will slowly start filling as we become a more relevant program.
Go Blue
September 15th, 2015 at 9:00 AM ^
It's not that it it isn't "worth it", it's that they just simply don't have the disposable income to spare. The median household income has dropped like 10k in the State of Michigan since the early 2000's. We used to be top 5-10, now I think we're in the bottom 25.
September 15th, 2015 at 8:53 AM ^
September 15th, 2015 at 8:54 AM ^
1.
Students Pregame before a game and do not end up making it.
2. Not everyone buys student tickets
3. Some kids need to study... (I don't know why on a Saturday)
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September 15th, 2015 at 9:00 AM ^
It's hard out there for a college kid these days...
September 15th, 2015 at 9:03 AM ^
drank off my hangovers. They bloody well can drink of theirs!!!
Darn Millenials need to get off my lawn...
:-)
September 15th, 2015 at 9:02 AM ^
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September 15th, 2015 at 9:03 AM ^
September 15th, 2015 at 10:25 AM ^
Thing is though:
1. Its UNLV
2. $240 is somewhat reasonable if you're local...but if you're driving in from across or out of the state, that's just the beginning of the costs.
3. The time and effort. Say you're carting two kids from Grand Rapids. That's 4 hours in the car, hour at a restaurant, various stops for bathroom breaks, watching the kids the entire time, etc. All when you could watch us be 35-0 up at the half from the comfort of your own home.
4. Its UNLV
September 15th, 2015 at 10:41 AM ^
September 15th, 2015 at 10:50 AM ^
I can't imagine how little how I would care if only games against the UNLV's of the world were made accessible to me when I was growing up.
September 15th, 2015 at 9:04 AM ^
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September 15th, 2015 at 10:36 AM ^
Because 18 year olds are "busy."
Unfortunately, they don't know what busy is... yet. Just wait until job, kids, etc.
September 15th, 2015 at 7:01 PM ^
Students are sometimes very very busy. I know for sure that in the Architecture school juniors (the first year you gain admission to the school) often purchase football tickets before they have an understanding of the workload that will hit them in the fall.
In architecture, assignments are regularly given to students on Friday and due on Monday, and the expectation is that they invest 12+ hours in the studio over the weekend. I remember a student in one of my classes used "attending a football game" as an excuse for not working through the weekend. It did not go over well with the professor, who promptly forbade mentioning football games alltogether. I don't know how Irving Pond ever managed!
I am guessing that other pre-professional degree programs at Michigan are similar in their time demands.
September 15th, 2015 at 2:05 PM ^
And, as an adult with 2 kids <3 years old, a 55hr/week job, a wife who works as much, I can make it on time. Why can't an 18 year old with none of those responsibilities?
They can... they just choose not to.
Just like they've chosen not to currently be an adult with 2 kids <3 years old, a 55hr/week job, and a wife who works as much.
September 15th, 2015 at 9:10 AM ^
September 15th, 2015 at 9:15 AM ^
Not everybody has the patience nor skill to deal with postgame traffic.
September 15th, 2015 at 10:26 AM ^
Put me in the lack of patience department. That's why I never drive to games, only ride.
September 15th, 2015 at 9:18 AM ^
Michigan football is my only vice - it's ridiculous wrt expenses, but it's literally the only thing I spend $$$ on for myself annually. I take each of my kids to a game or two each year, and aside from a family vacation, it's the one thing I splurge on.
I've tried to quit, but I just can't.
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September 15th, 2015 at 9:10 AM ^
It's not so unusual for an early fall game against an underwhelming opponent to attract a less than capacity crowd. Even back in the early 2000's, you could always count on having some space to stretch out when Eastern Michigan or Miami, OH came to town. I imagine the student section will look more full in the future when student ticket sales climb back to the historical highs, which they're bound to do once Harbaugh is fully implemented.
September 15th, 2015 at 9:18 AM ^
Silly me.
September 15th, 2015 at 9:21 AM ^
It's those damn kids with their fax machines, dial-up internets and CD players. Too busy watching music videos on MTV, than to go to a Michigan football game.
September 15th, 2015 at 9:24 AM ^
September 15th, 2015 at 9:26 AM ^
When I was a student, my buddies and I all were Michigan natives and lifelong fans so it was unthinkable for us to miss out on any of the game or the pageantry. We might forget that there is now a significant chunk of the student body who didn't grow up that way, and for whom M is just the college they ended up going to. Doesn't make it right, but hopefully some of them will become great fans someday.
September 15th, 2015 at 11:54 AM ^
This is true. The pre-game is the main event for most students now.
September 15th, 2015 at 9:28 AM ^
I was pretty pissed off. There was no excuse for those empty seats. Jim's first home game as coach, I expected 111,000+.
September 15th, 2015 at 9:29 AM ^
...empty seats.
The so called "empty" seats in the student section are in part due to students with seats at the top not sitting in their seats and cramming down lower into the bowl. In other words, lot of the so called empty seats sold tickets with the student ticket owner actually in attendance, but crammed down into rows lower in the bowl.
The Big House seating was reduced by about 2,000 this year for some reason.
Fact: students on average take up less space on bleacher benches than older folks (who have gained a few pounds on average).
Solution: Make more seating in the NW corner (student section) by reducing the inches per seat a bit and, thereby, add a few seats to each bleacher row.
This will (1) discourge/reduce students cramming down into the lower bowl (at least before some students leave to go party), and (2) recoup the seating capacity lost this year.
IIRC, the seats in the entire stadium were re-numbered a few years ago to add a few inches to each seat. They did not need to do that for the student seats.
September 15th, 2015 at 9:39 AM ^
The most noticeable changes to seating relate to ADA accessibility, as seats had to be eliminated in order to widen aisles and install hand railings around the entire bowl, with the exception of the student section.
It sounds like the student section was excluded from the latest seat reduction.
September 15th, 2015 at 10:20 AM ^
September 15th, 2015 at 10:35 AM ^
...the small reduction in seating capcity than students not sitting in assigned seats and cramming down. Making the student section look sold out when it actually is sold out is an additional benefit.
Even if they make the 'seats' in the student section bleachers a bit narrower, students will still cram down, just a little less than they do now.
There have been many small modifications and updates in the last 12-15 years. Not sure when they slightly widened the inches allocated to each seat, but I am pretty sure that they did it at some point. The disability accessability remods were a different thing.
If students are cramming down, then it shows that the current size of the seats gives them more room than is necessary. And that could be used to re-gain the lost 2000 or so seats.
Why should the Big House ever reduce its seating capacity?
September 15th, 2015 at 3:01 PM ^
Safety issues (installing hand railings) and to comply with ADA rules. Remember the Bernstein lawsuit?
September 15th, 2015 at 10:40 AM ^
Wonder if they could just oversell the top of the student section.... if there was a special top GA section.
September 15th, 2015 at 11:15 AM ^
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September 15th, 2015 at 9:32 AM ^
Part of the issue with student ticket sales is that with Michigan becomming more and more of a national/world university, you end up with a larger percentage of students who didn't grow up with Michigan football, or, in the case of foreign students, perhaps didn't grow up with football at all. It's not like at regional schools like MSU where 85% of the student body comes from Michigan/the midwest and thus has had familiarity with MSU football from a young age.
September 15th, 2015 at 7:52 PM ^
There is some truth to this. When I went to Michigan in the 80's, the international students had zero interest in the games. They viewed game time as prime study time when it was quiet and all the study areas were empty.
But back then, they were only a small fraction of the student body. They are a much larger percentage now.
September 15th, 2015 at 10:06 AM ^
that Alabama has a significantly lower international student population percentage, and much more recent success, and they are suffering from the same malaise.
I don't think that is the problem, especially since I doubt disinterested international students would purchase season tickets anyway.
September 15th, 2015 at 10:32 AM ^
There's different kinds of malaise though. Does Alabama sell out their important games? I mean, after 5-6 years, beating on the MTSUs of the world is just kind of dull isn't it?
September 15th, 2015 at 11:50 AM ^
Alabama does have a student action card ticket exchange. If you know you won't be attending a game, you can turn your ticket in, and another student on the waitlist can get your ticket for free. May help fill things in.
However, Michigan's big (marquee - everyone happy?) games fill out too.
September 15th, 2015 at 9:32 AM ^
September 15th, 2015 at 9:39 AM ^
I would not just give up on the students . . . who is going to come to the games 20 years from now?
September 15th, 2015 at 10:02 AM ^