Will Muschamp Out as Florida HC
FLorida dismissed Will M. So our turn now right?
Meanwhile in college RT @Andy_Staples: http://SI.com has learned that Will Muschamp has been dismissed at Florida. Story upcoming.
[EDIT]: Will may have stepped down (Brandon-style). Regardless, he will not be coaching Florida next season.
November 16th, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^
I posted that in another thread and was trashed for it as well. It's just an observation on how it could play out, not a defense of Brady Hoke.
Schlissel could very well drag the AD search out for a while. There could be some real motivation to not want to make a coaching change until that is resolved. I think other factors besides the won-loss record play into the decision more than people want to believe.
If we lose out the rest of the way, though, I don't see enough cover to allow that to happen. He makes it to a bowl game and is somewhat competitive in the finale, could be a different story.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:21 AM ^
...isn't this the type of sideline demeanor everyone wants Brady Hoke to display?!
Disclaimer: I'm not a Hoke apologist. I'm just sayin'.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:27 AM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 1:57 PM ^
But not fully aware
November 16th, 2014 at 5:47 PM ^
I'd much rather see Hoke lose his mind than to watch him go clapclapclap after another stupid play
3 and out? clapclapclap
turnover? clapclapclap
10 men on the field? clapclapclap
It's like he has no clue how to react when everything isn't going well
November 16th, 2014 at 11:38 AM ^
Not me. There's a huge difference between controlled anger—which is what Bo displayed regularly, but mostly against the refs—and uncontrolled rage, which is what you see in the Muschamp clip, what we saw from RR on a bunch of occasions, and what Woody exhibited when he punched Charlie Bauman.
November 16th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^
slight difference bw physically assaulting an opposing player and chewing out one of your own players. ever see saban on the sideline after one his players commits a stupid penalty? ever catch urban meyer directing controlled anger at players during in-game lapses in concentration or execution failures? they do it whenver they feel necessary - bc theyre teaching, theyre striving for excellence, theyre coaching to win rings on biggest stage, not just breast feeding 115 sons like hoke. those guys know what it takes to win and mold championship players, theyre not just yelling like children like brian kelly
November 16th, 2014 at 1:27 PM ^
Well, you're making my point—there's nothing wrong with controlled anger directed at players or refs or your assistants, like what Saban does periodically. What Muschamp was displaying, and what Kelly has sometimes displayed, is unhinged, spittle-flecked venting.
I don't think that Hoke's absence of anger on the sidelines is the problem per se anyhow. Tom Osborne wasn't a ranter or screamer on the sidelines, nor is Bill Snyder or Mark Richt or Bob Stoops or Pete Carroll. My bet is that if you took a detailed look at their coaching careers, you'd discern a marked difference in the quality of their assistant coaches.
November 16th, 2014 at 1:42 PM ^
I saw Bo grab Demetrius Brown by his collar and give him a shove after one of the 7 INT's against MSU in '87. I watched this from the North end zone in EL. It reportedly happened more to many other players during practice. [Insert millenial-sourced and flavored comment about Bo never winning a MNC here]
Everyone has their own style, but Hoke is frustrating because his positive everyman approach clearly isn't working.
November 16th, 2014 at 1:25 PM ^
I agree it was mostly by design to create a show and make a point, but there were a few where he seemd to really lose it. Intensely competitive people are going to have an edge to them though and I think you want that up to a point.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:45 AM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 11:52 AM ^
Personally, I don't care about headsets or demeanor or whatnot. I just want to see a well-coached team that wins most of the time. The coach can ride a unicycle on the sidelines accompanied by a dancing bear if that happens.
November 16th, 2014 at 5:17 PM ^
This I can support. Unicyle and all.
November 16th, 2014 at 12:08 PM ^
Isn't this the type of sideline demeanor we make fun of Brian Kelly for displaying?
November 16th, 2014 at 12:57 PM ^
Hmmm....no headphones.
November 16th, 2014 at 7:01 PM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 11:15 AM ^
There goes Dan Mullen.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
I mean, we always knew Muschamp was gone, and that Florida was always going to be M's main competition for coaching candidates. This isn't news; the fact that he got fired today rather than at the end of the season is what's surprising.
And there's been plenty of rumors swirling about Mullen not like Florida's administration, so I wouldn't say it's a given he's headed to Gainesville.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^
Mullen is on the market. To say he's not is being naive.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:27 AM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 11:29 AM ^
That's not the same as not being on the market. He can leave in January. Florida is a way better job. Its not even close.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^
Florida is in more fertile recruiting territory but Michigan has equally good (possibly better) facilities, can pay just as much, will get the same amount of national exposure and plays a consistently easier schedule.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:47 AM ^
I was referring to Miss St. Vs Florida, not Michigan vs Florida.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^
Apologies
November 16th, 2014 at 11:47 AM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 11:30 AM ^
He's not leaving until after the season regardless of Mississippi State's playoff chances, whether it's to Gainesville, Ann Arbor, or Abu Dhabi.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 11:53 AM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 7:41 PM ^
when they say, 'look out! he's throwing a bomb!' they really mean it.
November 16th, 2014 at 8:33 PM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 11:31 AM ^
No one is saying that he's going to leave Miss St. today, or any time before their bowl game. But that doesn't mean he's not on the market. No one fires their HC in week 12 with the expectation of finding a new HC before the end of the season.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:41 AM ^
You have zero information or evidence to back up your opinion. It's equally possible that you're the one who's being naive.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 11:24 AM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 11:29 AM ^
But if M and UF are both offering him that money, why would he pick the school/administration he already has issues with?
November 16th, 2014 at 11:53 AM ^
November 16th, 2014 at 11:30 AM ^
Imagine RR with Florida's talent. And he has good recruiting ties down there. RR has a better resume than Mullen and is objectively a better candidate. The 'fit' issues won't be there at UF like they were at UM. Plus you can look at it as he took Michigan from 3-8 to a roster that went 11-2, even with Brady Hoke coaching them.
Mullen may very well just leverage the inevitable offers he gets to stick at MSU where he's already built that program up and molded them into his system. Now that he's had a very good seaosn the elite recruits will follow. I bet he sticks where he's at with a very healthy raise.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^
miracle wins to achieve 8-2 this season.Before this season his last five seasons as HC had 5 losses or more. How is this "objectively" being better than a guy who has won at one of the toughest places to win in the SEC?
West Virginia really is not that hard to win at. Don Nehlen did it as did Bobby Bowden. Granted, Bowden did not win big, but he still won. Mississippi State is a much harder place to win at.
November 16th, 2014 at 12:24 PM ^
So your examples of why WVU is not that hard to win at are that two immensely successful head coaches won there?
November 16th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^
Auburn rode miracle wins to the championship game last year. Luck is part of the game.
November 16th, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^
For starters the Pac12 is probably the second best conference in the country, not far off the SEC. Living in Pac12 country, I can tell you the folks around here don't buy the conference superiority argument one bit.
Mullen struggled along for several years before fully installing his system with his guys - now he's having success. Measure Rich Rod after the same time frame.
Rich Rod did more at WVU than Mullen's ever done at MSU. Including beating SEC teams.
RR has been very lucky this year. He was very unlucky at Michigan. He's due.
He's also a FG away from being 9-1 and ranked in the top 5, above MSU. MSU's had some luck too.
Let me ask another question -- what is MSU's best win this season? LSU (who lost to Arkansas)? TAMU (who lost to Missouri)? or the 3-loss Auburn squad that barely escaped in 3 of it's victories including KSU? None of them are as impressive as the Duck scalp Rich Rod can wave around. And he's done that twice now.
November 16th, 2014 at 12:29 PM ^
if you're not sure, look up the history of Arizona football then get back to us. Also he barely lost to USC with 3 missed field goals I believe.
November 17th, 2014 at 2:40 PM ^
And he barely beat UTSA.
November 16th, 2014 at 12:35 PM ^
Arizona's defense is better than Michigan's this year.
November 16th, 2014 at 11:46 AM ^
No sane coach that would choose to stay in Starkville, MS, no matter how much money Mississippi State offers him.
November 16th, 2014 at 12:34 PM ^
People say this kind of garbage all the time. They assume we can steal coaches from Baylor and TCU when there is zero evidence to support it. Rutgers coach and Stanford coach turned this job down, probably many more.
MSU is a top 5 team right now. They play in the best conference in the country. They are in the middle of fertile recruiting ground and can draw people from Texas or Lousiana or Florida easily. Ole Miss has had top 5 classes, so there's no reason MSU can't. The fanbase is appreciative and supportive. If Mullen wants to be a legend and have unrivaled job success, his best bet is to stay right where he is, just as Patterson and Briles have done.
Furthermore, if Mullen is paying attention he can look at the Rich Rodriguez and Mike Price situations to see that the grass isn't always greener and with prestige come some great difficulties.