October 4th, 2014 at 11:59 PM ^
I may be boarding the fire Hoke bandwagon again here shortly.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:05 AM ^
Why did you come off in the first place?
October 5th, 2014 at 12:12 AM ^
I may write a long piece explaining this shortly but basically I think it would fracture the Michigan family again, and that didn't go so well last time.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:18 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 12:35 AM ^
The fanbase, former lettermen, and most other stakeholders are united on firing Brandon.
The lettermen want to keep Hoke. Those are the people who undermined RR. IMO you fire Brandon now and let the new AD--Manuel or Bates, presumably--evaluate Hoke after the season to see how he does the rest of the way without a terrible boss interfering constantly.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:32 AM ^
Fuck them. If they're more worried about their former coach getting fired than seeing the current players representing their school being so poorly coached that it's one of the worst teams in the big ten then they don't have their priorities in order. They were more than happy to see Rich Rod out when the team wasn't even this bad.
A certain someone said ''No man is more important than the team. No coach is more important than the team.'' And that will always be true.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:18 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 12:18 AM ^
"We're miserable, so let's stay miserable, because the last time we tried to become un-miserable that didn't go so well."
October 5th, 2014 at 1:28 AM ^
See above. Lettermen need to be on board with the change when it happens. Canning Brandon now is a step in the right direction.
October 5th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
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October 5th, 2014 at 12:37 AM ^
There is a point so low that fracture will not result from a coaching change. But an AD change might well eliminate the need to go there. I don't think we've really understood the depths of DB's destruction yet.
October 5th, 2014 at 3:58 AM ^
anyone, at this point, who has any interest other than turning this back into a winning football team should be told to fuck off and stay fucked until further notice.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:47 AM ^
This is so stupid. This is the only fanbase in the world that thinks the fans have any input to the product on the field at all. We've explained away a decade of being a terrible football program by saying "oh, everyone's not on board." Did that hurt ND? Nope. Instead, they went to an NC, and now are right back in the thick of it again this year.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:30 AM ^
Please read any of the several clarifications above.
October 4th, 2014 at 11:59 PM ^
So is attendance, the number of years since we've won a B1G title, win % etc. i.e everything that made us great.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:02 AM ^
October 4th, 2014 at 11:59 PM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 12:00 AM ^
Math is hard...so is winning apparently...
October 5th, 2014 at 12:00 AM ^
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October 5th, 2014 at 12:01 AM ^
When you suck, the media still wants to ask you about things, and its dumb and you just tell them things. What are you supposed to say? "Yeah we suck and we know it"
October 5th, 2014 at 12:01 AM ^
This attitude is on display for the world to see every Saturday. This actually explains a lot.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:01 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 12:07 AM ^
I'm sure teams interested in his physical talents will grill him on it in the interviews.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:16 AM ^
My first thought when I read this was that he's thinking: "I'm out of here at the end of the season anyway, so what does it matter to me?"
I hope that's wrong.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:21 AM ^
October 5th, 2014 at 12:01 AM ^
This is the same culture as the Lloyd country club days. These kids deserve so much better and they need it now. Interim AD John Belein and Interim head coach Nuss...let's get on with it.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:32 AM ^
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October 5th, 2014 at 1:18 AM ^
He's not comparing Lloyd. Lloyd was a much better coach. But this attitude no doubt started under Lloyd. Otherwise a team with Chad Henne, Jake Long, Mike Hart, and countless other NFL players would have won more than 1 big ten title and not lost to Appalachain State.
Guys were not working as hard as they should have even under Lloyd.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:35 AM ^
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October 5th, 2014 at 2:08 AM ^
I'm so fucking tired of going over this. Larry Coker won a national title. So did Gene Chizik. It doesn't mean dick.
Lloyd did not get the most out of a lot of his players while they were here, especially the later half of his tenure. That is not debateable. It's even on word from a Wisconsin player.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:50 AM ^
I think it's time to stop blaming things on Lloyd, Rich Rod, Borges etc... We have to clean house (starting with Brandon) and make sure we hire the best coach we can find. No more excuses, no more blaming others, just get it done!
October 5th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^
God I hate stupid people.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:01 AM ^
lawdy
Can't tell the future. "Need" too no. Want to yes. Ask the question right. "Need" to fight as hard as possible every play.
— Devin Funchess (@D_FUNCH) October 5, 2014
October 5th, 2014 at 12:33 AM ^
So basically he gave the stupidest fucking possible answer and then tried to blame it on the person that "didn't ask the right question". That's positively Brandon-esque.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:54 AM ^
I think we should lay off the kid. He's what, 20, playing hurt, and just had a tough loss.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:57 AM ^
not to somebody that doesn't care if the game is a win or a loss. It just is, so why get emotional about it?
October 5th, 2014 at 3:39 AM ^
I agree. If the shit I said when I was 20 years old was broadcast for all the world to hear, I'd probably be in jail, no women would speak to me, and my parents would disown me.
Now granted, you can argue it's on him to choose his words wisely, and if one person asks you something, then yes, you have to be disciplined. But with the amount of questions these players are probably asked over and over and over, exhuasted from the game, dehydrated, injured, so many other things to focus on, not to mention we're "reading" his words, so there's absolutely no tone or inflection, which means we literally "make one up" based on our own imagination, means we really can't know what he means.
Not to mention, the humna ego most certainly inflates when you play every week in front of 100,000+ (if it's even true anymore!) and lots of people know your name and people talk about the NFL, Sundays, etc. etc It's natural to start to think "hey, I've got my own opinions too", and damn right he should (because that's what growing up and becoming a man is), in light of that, it's then ridiculous for us to try to plaster him for the inevitable slip-up and mistake. I mean, you don't go to high-school, middle-school, or elementary students and berate them for the inevitable wrong answers they got on their exams (because no one always scores perfectly...and if they did, then they are a TOTAL NERD and SURELY SUCK AT OTHER THINGS), and for these players it's no different. They are all learning. Growing up. Becoming adults.
It's all part of the process.
But also, don't get me wrong. #firebrandon #firehoke #slapfunk
October 5th, 2014 at 12:47 AM ^
Our players tweet too much. My wife has taken to googling players when I mention them during games, and reading me some recent inane tweet they've produced. The teams we play don't seem to have this issue.
October 5th, 2014 at 5:15 AM ^
I'm guessing your wife doesn't google other teams' players. If she did, you'd probably see this occurs pretty much everywhere. Have you already forgotten "We ain't come here to play school"?
October 5th, 2014 at 11:45 AM ^
Actually I meant when I said that other players don't seem to have this problem that indeed, she has googled them. Every U-M player seems to do it, yet everyone we tried on Minnesota, for example, doesn't seem to have a twitter. That's the game that sticks out to me, also a bit of Notre Dame. Of course, many schools do have this problem, but many schools also try to limit the amount of fluff their players put in public. Personally, I think that's a good idea, and it doesn't seem to be practiced here at all.
Anyway, of course this is an extremely minor issue. But when things are going like this, everything is amplified. And I do think we are probably among the leaders in the nation for % of players tweeting.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:02 AM ^
Wins and losses are just a statistic and in less than a year I'm gonna be ballin in the NFL making millions away from this shithole
October 5th, 2014 at 12:35 AM ^
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October 5th, 2014 at 12:02 AM ^
because I know how everyone here loves Jake Ryan.
But in an interview after the ND, he said something to this effect: "We left it all on the field. We gave it our all. We're not gonna hang our heads about this game. Just gotta get better for next week..."
I really couldn't believe it. Michigan just got spanked, shutout, lost by 31 points in a rivalry game, and perhaps their best defender is...nonplussed. Not even upset. "We did our best..." A 31-0 loss is your "best"?
And what I realized...that's the mentality Hoke has instilled in this team. No fire. No chip on the shoulder. No mean edge. They receive blows rather than deliver them. It's just incredible to see, week after week.
Michigan's signature win on the season is...Appy St.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:02 AM ^
but I'm going to cut a 20-yr old in a shitty situation some slack.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:16 AM ^
...it's not as though he said something Terelle Pryor level incoherent/dumb.
And I'm sticking with that thought before I go back and re-read the quote again.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:55 AM ^
I'm not blaming the 20 year old. But the fact that stuff like this comes out of their mouths is another reflection of how poorly this team is coached.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:00 AM ^
It isn't a reflection of coaching so much as it is a reflection of today's society that hands out participation trophies and doesn't keep score because there should be no winners and losers. Hoke, if he perpetuates that philosophy, is doing nothing different than what you can find on many soccer fields and baseball diamonds all across Ann Arbor and nation.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:02 AM ^
Sounds like Funchess will be a perfect fit for the Lions come draft day.