John U. Bacon: "You're killing the fanbase, David Brandon!" (Paraphrased with liberties)

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Mr. Bacon has written quite a bit about why Ticket Sales have been flagging.  As I, myself, have recently been offered a "deal" on single-game tickets, I love reading Mr. Bacon's salvoes over Brandon's bow:

This fall Michigan is in danger of breaking its string of 251 consecutive games with 100,000-plus paid attendance, which started in 1975.

And then this gem:

After Brandon became Michigan's 11th athletic director in 2010, he often repeated one of his favorite lines: "If it ain't broke ... break it!" You have to give him credit: He has delivered on his promise.

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Happy Monday Mr. Brandon!  Special Delivery for you, direct from the desk of John U. Bacon!

TIMMMAAY

June 23rd, 2014 at 11:02 PM ^

You just keep coming with the strawmen. 

Wow.  Talk about reading way too much into something.  Brandon was specifically discussing recruiting there, not the gameday experience for the fans... 

Just to repeat...

That’s a pretty powerful message about what Michigan is all about... 

That doesn't sound like it's a message just for recruiting purposes, and if it were, he'd be a bald faced liar. Right? 

Do you find it at all plausible that 17 and 18 year old black kids might think Beyonce

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so I still don't really know what all the bitching is about.  

Yes you do. You're basically just trolling at this point. 

LordGrantham

June 24th, 2014 at 12:14 AM ^

You don't seem to understand the concept of a strawman.  The allegation was that Brandon is ruining the gameday experience by providing a super bowl-like atmosphere, and as evidence of this, a poster cited his comments about Beyonce and planes.  I responded that his comments were made in the narrow context of recruiting and not as a reference to the general viewing experience of the fans, which is why he specifically mentioned 17 and 18-year-old kids. In other words, I was directly refuting the claim that Brandon believes those things are an integral part of gameday for the fans. That's not a strawman argument.

To your second point, there is nothing even remotely racist about suggesting that young black male teenagers might think it's kinda cool that a historically popular young black female R&B artist delivered a halftime address at a Michigan game.  Oh wait, they're both black, so it must be racist, right?

MGoBender

June 24th, 2014 at 7:49 AM ^

Yeah, except Brandon has said similar things about current student attendance adn the general experience as well.  

That quote was made referring to recruits.  Sure.  But if you think Brandon only applies that thought process to recruiting, then you're living in ignorance.  He's out of touch with the common fan, the common alum, the common student.  There's boat-loads of evidence of this.  That quote is one example.  You don't say things like what he said, ever.  You don't say that Michigan football is about spectacle for spectacle's sake.  If Rich Rod said that, he would have been publicly destroyed.

Another example is his insistance that "the kidz need their wi-fi" even though the students have demonstrated it is literally the last thing they care about.

I'm not going to pull the quotes, but he's said numerous times that in order to compete with the 60" tv at home, Michigan needs to bring the "WOW" factor.  You know this.  He's made it very publicly clear, so I don't understand why you are arguing he hasn't done this.

MGoBender

June 23rd, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^

What else is there in your limited scope of gameday experience? Those are all things that make me enjoy the game less. A ton less? No! The biggest issue is cost. I don't know how you can discount cost, but that's big. The other thing is out of DB's hands: tv timeouts. They are awful when attending a game.

BeatOSU52

June 23rd, 2014 at 10:42 PM ^

That has been the biggest downer in my experience.  Like you said, not Brandon's fault, though.  They are becoming more and more noticable as I get older.  Not only is are the fans in the stadium well-ready, but the players are waiting and waiting ready to go for the man in the red hat.

Bosch

June 23rd, 2014 at 9:22 PM ^

...when it was announced that PSD prices were going up, I emailed DB to voice my displeasure.  Average ticket prices for a season package went up 8% the previous season and 12% the season before.  I was not happy with 8% over the next two seasons in the form of a PSD phased in over two years.

Surprisingly, he responded.  We actually went back and forth over a series of emails.  Here is a portion of our dialogue:

DB (as part of his response to my initial email):  "When you compare our costs of a day's entertainment at Michigan Stadium (including parking, etc.) for a football game vs. the NBA, MLB, NFL, it is a bargain."

My response to him:  "Single game tickets for the Lions sell for as low as $50.  Wings - $25.  Tigers - $15.  Pistons - $10.  These prices are far less than what one will pay for a face value Michigan football ticket.  Regardless, Michigan football is not professional and should not be compared to professional sports.  They represent very different definitions of fan loyalty."

DB:  "Your opinion is we shouldn't compare the entertainment value vs. other sporting events - I disagree.   I can rest assure you they compare against us!"

So.... yeah, the experience is changing and it is by DB's design.

BeatOSU52

June 23rd, 2014 at 10:47 PM ^

Pretty interesting he emailed you back multiple times .  Quite an interesting last statement by him.

I'd like to call him out on his statement on 60 Minutes how about he is treating Michgian football as a business model.  Seems not appropriate for amatuer STUDENT athletes.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

June 24th, 2014 at 8:18 AM ^

I tend to agree with Brandon that Michigan football is competing against the pro teams for entertainment dollars.  I don't understand why Brandon thinks it's good marketing to make his product the same as the others only more expensive.

bighouse22

June 24th, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^

I think it is more the perception of the fan experience as it relates to the higher cost.  When you add in losing, it magnifies the displeasure.  I personally don't mind the changes as much as others, but I understand how all of these things combined can diminish the experience.  

Being nostalgic, I miss the days of when everyone rattled their keys for the key play, toilet paper streamers and marshmallows.  Those were all part of the experience that didn't cost much but made it fun.  Those are also the feelings of someone a little older, such as myself.  

I tend to agree that a winning program would quiet some of the complaints and for me personally, I want a winning program.  It does more damage to the brand to extend losing records to OSU, MSU, etc. over the last 5-15 years than get hung up about the music.

mGrowOld

June 23rd, 2014 at 4:56 PM ^

Speaking only for myself I can say it was the absolute insanity of Al Borges's playcalling, specifically during the PSU game, that made me notice Dave Brandon and the prices I was paying.  Up until then I happily renewed without giving it much thought but I got so pissed off watching him keep slamming Fitz into a D-Line who knew what was coming and the fact that Hoke didnt stop the madness it made me question and re-evaluate everything.

So for one fan at least Brandon may indeed be "killing the fan base" but he had accomplices in Borges & Hoke.

MGoBender

June 23rd, 2014 at 5:20 PM ^

I understand the "Brandon Bashing Backlash" since many criticisms by commenters are unfounded.

However, JUB writing an article that conveys what many people believe about Michigan athletics doesn't destroy the athletic department.  If anything, it might open some bigger eyes (Regents?) to step in and say "hey, I love me the benjamins too, but is it necessary to charge the students so much for their tickets?"

lazyfoot10

June 23rd, 2014 at 8:43 PM ^

He shares the opinion of a large sum of us.

Doesn't seem like a personal thing at all. Just upset with how Dave Brandon is handling the athletic department.

And yes I would still dislike him even if we were winning. Already disliked the guy when we won the Sugar Bowl and Hoke "pooped gold".

Our record has gone down but my feeeling towards Dave Brandon remain the same.

markusr2007

June 23rd, 2014 at 5:04 PM ^

 

Michigan was 4-0-2 and ranked 7th in the nation. Wolverines drubbed Lee Corso's Hoosiers 55-7.  Indiana finished last in the Big Ten in 1975 with 2-8-1 mark.

Michigan Stadium attendance for that game? :

93,857

This was the last UM home game that was not sold out.

Why Michigan didn't pack that stadium for home games between 1969 and October 18, 1975 I still don't understand. Those were some of Michigan's finest days in college football.

This year October 18 is a Saturday, but an open date on Michigan's schedule.

Wolverine Devotee

June 23rd, 2014 at 6:53 PM ^

You mean games with at least 100,000. 

Michigan didn't fill the stadium to capacity twice last year, for the first time since 2001 against Illinois.

Under capacity gams since the 100K streak began-

Date Opponent Result Crowd Capacity +/-
9/11/1976 Wisconsin W 40-27 101,347 101,701 -354
9/25/1976 Navy W 70-14 101,040 101,701 -661
9/8/1979 Northwestern W 49-7 100,790 101,701 -911
9/13/1980 Northwestern W 17-10 100,824 101,701 -877
11/10/1984 Minnesota W 31-7 101,247 101,701 -454
8/26/1995 #17 Virginia W 18-17 101,444 102,501 -1057
9/9/1995 Memphis W 24-7 100,862 102,501 -1639
9/29/2001 #22 Illinois W 45-20 107,085 107,501 -416
9/14/2013 Akron W 28-24 107,120 109,901 -2781
10/19/2013 Indiana W 63-47 109,503 109,901 -398

 

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

June 24th, 2014 at 6:47 AM ^

Sorry, not buyin' that.  If it really was "scanned at the gate" then we would've already sunk below 100,000 just based on the student section alone.  Many, many games you can look at the stadium and see that it's not filled all the way to capacity.

GoBLUinTX

June 23rd, 2014 at 6:25 PM ^

Back in 1975 Michigan Stadium had everything for what I suppose people are still pining.  A quiet stadium, not being able to hear the band, minature scoreboads which used 100W light bulbs, nasty concessions, mud holes immediately north of the stadium, a field with a crown...so high that if you're in the first few rows on one side you couldn't see the players' knees on the other side line.  No night games, half time shows devoid of entertainment...which was okay because you needed the entire halftime and half of the 3rd Q to take a leak.  

In 1975 confetti was still being blown into the stadium just as the team came out of the tunnel, I do miss that.

MGoNOLA

June 23rd, 2014 at 5:11 PM ^

I don't think he is really on a mission to destroy them. I've been thinking about his timeline:

1) Gets full access to RichRod program

2) Writes (what I think is a fairly balanced, insightful) book looking into the dynamics of the program.

3) AD essentially blacklists him... including not giving any material for his next book. Even when other ADs across the Big Ten opened their doors for him. 

4) AD returns to Fort Schembechler/start losing identity as Brandon tries to monetize everything.

5) Now you've blacklisted a veteran sports writer with connections and relationships that will do the footwork necessary to fill the void of defining the program. If you are not driving your own narrative... someone else will. I think Bacon sees an opening there.

jmdblue

June 23rd, 2014 at 5:41 PM ^

Just like Brian (or me for that matter).  We have a choice... Our team right or wrong. Or let our disappointments be known.  The stadium experience has become dreadful for lots of reasons that don't require my vomiting up again.  Much of what is wrong is directly tied to DB's decision making.  I can lie back and take it or I can complain or I can jsut bail on my fandom.  I choose to complain.  As does Bacon (with some cost)... as does Brian (with some benefit).  Blacklisting Bacon because the department didn't like his criticism is just stupid.  He's big enough not to need access to further his point of view.

snarling wolverine

June 23rd, 2014 at 7:04 PM ^

 

2) Writes (what I think is a fairly balanced, insightful) book looking into the dynamics of the program.

 

Strongly disagree.  Three and Out isn't balanced at all.  It completely glosses over the defensive shortcomings - the mid-season undermining of Shafer and his resignation (it actually implies that he was the problem), the hiring of Gerg, the insistence upon the 3-3-5 - there are maybe a couple of paragraphs in a 350-page book devoted to why the defense sucked, even though this was ultimately the program's undoing.  I've got to believe that Bacon gave RichRod editorial control, because the book seems to go out of its way to avoid criticizing him for anything wrong that happened.  (Pretty much the only "criticism" of him in the whole book is that it mentions that he didn't insist on more money for assistants, which is arguably more a criticism of Bill Martin than anything.) 

As for Bacon today, I'm pretty sure he still has a press credential, and both of his books are carried in the M-Den.  Not being granted inside access to write another book (which Hoke may not be in favor of either) does not necessarily constitute "blacklisted."

 

cobra14

June 23rd, 2014 at 7:48 PM ^

Snarling you nailed it. Bacon is black listed because of the propaganda he wrote for a coach who destroyed our program in a short period of time. The defense didn't do RR in RR did himself in. It always amazes me on this site that people will complain about the game day experience. Does the announcer still say "Band take the field and Does the band still come marching out through the tunnel? Does the football team still run out and touch the banner? Is the Go Blue chant still done at the end of the 3rd quarter? Do you still say "Who Cares" when the other teams starting lineup is said? Do they still honor past Michigan teams and Michigan players? Do they still do that god awful wave(watch the game)? Does the football team still have winged helmets? Complaining about piped in music!! Come on. Remember DB is the one who proposed to the BIG that the bands be mic'd. Growing up in Section 3 I could never hear the band! Ever!!

BeatOSU52

June 23rd, 2014 at 10:55 PM ^

There was already thousands of article written about the shitty defense Michigan had during RR's tenure at Michigan and it was obvious how shitty it was - Bacon didn't feel the need to waste much space in his book about it.

The book humanizes a coach that got run out of Michigan after 3 seasons for during a pretty shitty job, I think it's natural to think that it was pro-Rich Rod propaganda but look at the big picture.

MGoBender

June 23rd, 2014 at 5:28 PM ^

A side-comment: The only thing more annoying than Brandon being bashed without merit is people saying "Look at the MGoBoard criticizing Brandon again."

Brandon needs to be criticized.  Just as MSC or the President need to be criticized.  That's how democracy works.  Sometimes criticism is very much deserved.  Sometimes not.  But criticism itself should be accepted and encouraged as it starts open debate.

I'm cool with Brandon's focus on increasing revenue.  I think he's also done some totally inane things that, individually, aren't a big deal.  However, collectively, they're worrisome.

Many of us have a very deep connection with UM and football and athletics are a big part of that.  It bothers me, personally, that student ticket prices increase at insane percent rates and then Dave Brandon treats the students like lesser beings by saying "oh, we don't have wi-fi, that's why" or that "Beyonce will bring all the boys to the yard."  The student gov't president (sorry forget his name) has brought amazing leadership and maturity to the situation of last year's debacle that doesn't seem to be reciprocated from Brandon.  That's unfortunate and makes me think "maybe we need someone that will care a little less about this year's bottom line and more about building memorable experiences for the future alumni base."

CarrIsMyHomeboy

June 23rd, 2014 at 6:38 PM ^

You have me clapping in ways that are not sarcastic. Seriously. But no seriously this is not sarcastic. Goddammit all the mgosnark has me unable to even take myself seriously...except seriously, yours is a seriously important post. Not sarcastic. Seriously. Dammit. [Gives up.]

maineandblue

June 24th, 2014 at 12:25 AM ^

Not sure why you consider this a side comment. I think you hit the nail on the head...it's a disrespect for tradition and an arrogant insistence that he knows what's best rather than listening to the fanbase. That's what that pisses so many of us off and why Bacon, Brian, and so many others complain. We love the program dearly, and don't want to see it turned into the Dominos of college sports, even if we make a few more bucks and get some brand recognition doing it. 

Avon Barksdale

June 23rd, 2014 at 5:42 PM ^

I just want us to win again. I will gladly pay $100/ticket when we are crushing everyone and not losing to Appalachian State, Toledo, and having near misses with Akron at home.

For those who care: The old Michigan is playing Alabama on BTN right now, and Tom Brady is about to deliver the goods.

MGoBender

June 23rd, 2014 at 6:13 PM ^

Yep.  We've been mediocre for a long time.  Seven years if you don't consider '06 an anomoly.  Yes, '11 was in there, but we didn't win the B10, we didn't go to a Rose Bowl and we won quite possibly one of the worst BCS matchups ever.  It was great and fun and Denard & Co. deserved it, but 1 year in 7 is decidedly Iowan.