Hey MGoBoard [TITLE EDITED]
Good morning!
Sincerely,
Your friends in Ann Arbor
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[Edit @ 6pm: I edited out/altered the thread title and removed everything from this OP except the cheery part.
I apologise to all for not attending to this promptly when I announced my intentions four hours ago in the Mod Sticky thread.
While it's fine to celebrate flipping Benny back to the Maize and Blue side, let's first beat spartie on the field before throwing shade at their head coach.
- rob f]
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:32 AM ^
It's awesome that we crushed them on the recruiting trail, but how about we actually beat them on the football field before doing and saying stuff like this.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:35 AM ^
Totally agree, but for today I am going to enjoy the victory. I am usually very cynical but for today at least, things feel like they are starting to get back in the right direction.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^
Why do people act like recruiting is its own game? We didn't "win" anything. Recruiting is just a means to attempt to get wins on the field.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:35 AM ^
I hear you, but with all the things going on I am going to focus on the positives today. While not a victory on the field, getting a highly ranked recruit from an in-state rival is a win for the day in my opinion.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:35 AM ^
I don't know why it double posted, so just going to post this image instead.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:35 AM ^
^^^^ This. ^^^^
Tucker is 1-0 against us.
Let's not jinx ourselves and give cannon fodder.
Let's win this upcoming year and start the 10 year steamroller before we smack.
Go Blue.
February 3rd, 2021 at 1:45 PM ^
Hey!
I chastised the MGoBrainTrust for trolling Sparty the other day and I got negged into oblivion.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:39 AM ^
Or, just beat them and move along quietly.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:44 AM ^
+1000 We got our ass whipped by Mel's boys. Why run your mouth when we're 0-1 against him?
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:05 AM ^
Brian throwing that petty qAnon joke at Tucker because of the cigar selfie is what caused karma to knock us down several pegs, you'll never convince me otherwise.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:09 AM ^
Saban left MSU right after the season he beats Michigan and Tom Brady, right?
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:39 AM ^
Thank you jdraman my thoughts exactly +1
This moral victory propensity among Michigan fans without results to back it up gets old
February 3rd, 2021 at 11:21 AM ^
POSBANG for "jdraman"!
February 3rd, 2021 at 12:07 PM ^
Or, you know, beat them on the field and still don't say/do stuff like this? Yeah, that's the way.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:33 AM ^
Mel has an easy rebuttal to this pettiness.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:35 AM ^
Yea this thread would have been more humorous if Mel had not rolled into Ann Arbor and slapped us around in his first year.
Flipping Benny is amazing. I’m hopeful the new staff can make it work. We absolutely need to beat MSU this year hopefully by a margin that’s embarrassing to them.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:36 AM ^
Well, Dantonio made it work at MSU for a number of years. Plus Tucker made UM look horrible in his first game in Ann Arbor. This post makes little sense just because of one recruit.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:48 AM ^
Tucker's career record is 7-12, so I'd hold off on any Dantonio comparisons.
We just have to get our own act together. Today is a good start.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:16 AM ^
I wasn't comparing Tucker to Dantonio. The OP stated that even Saban couldn't make it work there, I was just pointing out that Dantonio did make it work there.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:55 AM ^
From an on-field results perspective, Dantonio definitely made it work. From a recruiting perspective, not so much. 247 composite class rankings by year during Dantonio's tenure (with Michigan in parentheses)
- 2008: 42 (11)
- 2009: 22 (10)
- 2010: 22 (17)
- 2011: 32 (30)
- 2012: 34 (6)
- 2013: 37 (4)
- 2014: 26 (20)
- 2015: 23 (37)
- 2016: 17 (8)
- 2017: 36 (5)
- 2018: 31 (22)
- 2019: 33 (8)
He averaged a #30 recruiting class over his 12 years, topping out at #17 in 2016. However, he did go 8-5 against Michigan, including 3-0 vs Rodriguez and 3-1 vs Hoke. He had a losing record (2-3) against Harbaugh. He was also 0-1 vs Carr.
February 3rd, 2021 at 11:06 AM ^
On field results are way more important than recruiting rankings, wouldn't you agree?
February 3rd, 2021 at 11:42 AM ^
Sure. That was also the point. msu is never going to be a recruiting powerhouse. Even during their heyday (which aligned to Michigan's darkest days) when they were going to the BCS/CFP, they only had one class rated better than 22.
They made it work with a combination of good coaching, finding and developing players (diamonds in the rough, players with chips on their shoulders, underrated/under-scouted, etc.), and the ever-ambiguous culture/attitude. The fact that Michigan was down didn't hurt, either.
The question with Tucker is whether or not he can win without recruiting at a very high level. Maybe they'll strike gold every now and then and pull in a top 15-20 recruiting class, but they should expect classes ranked in the 20s-30s as a matter of course, 1-3 low four stars per class, and maybe a top 100 guy every now and then.
For the record, their top class ever per 247 was the 2000 class, ranked 8, which featured 5 guys rated in the top 100, led by Charles Rogers and Jeff Smoker. Other than that, John L had himself the #15 class in 2004, with their top-rated guys being names I don't recall at all - Hugh D'Imperio, Dwayne Holmes, Miles Williams, Craig McGovern, and Eric Andino. The class did yield SirDarean Adams, Domata Peko, and Brian Hoyer, though.
Fun Fact: they have had a total of four 5* commits since 2000: Malik McDowell in 2014, William Gholston in 2010, Charles Rogers and Jeff Smoker in 2000.
February 3rd, 2021 at 11:45 AM ^
When you played in the Legends & Leaders Division and not only not having to compete against Ohio State for a Division Title but you didn't have to play them every season sure helped out. Don't forget that up through 2015, the Big Ten played 8 conference games and 4 out of conference which let Dantonio add another FCS cupcake into the mix.
After moving to the B1G East, other than 2015, MSU really hasn't done squat. Suddenly having to play Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State every season and all of that mumbo about character over stars and such didn't really translate to the field.
February 3rd, 2021 at 12:01 PM ^
What the hell are you going on about? They played OSU, UM, and PSU every year except in 2009 and 2010 they didn't play OSU. They have had a "rivalry" game with PSU every year for years.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:24 AM ^
Based on what I saw this last year, UM did a pretty good job of making themselves look horrible.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:37 AM ^
Hey Mel Tucker
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:37 AM ^
Awesome post ripping the guy that's undefeated against us.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:42 AM ^
All you people acting like there was a 2020 CFB season are funny. I refuse to believe your "truth" that the B1G played football this year.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:46 AM ^
Nice. I think I will adopt this approach as well.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:58 AM ^
The B1G did. Not sure I can say the same for us.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:44 AM ^
Awesome seeing the return of Stephen Hawking.
Could this possibly be the tea leaf that portends the transfer of Mike Jones to Michigan?
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:54 AM ^
Based on Stephens points total, he NEEDS another Mike Jones thread!!!
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:41 AM ^
Bragging about crooting wins while taking on the field L’s.
Many still haven’t learned their lesson.
Our fanbase can be really embarrassing sometimes.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:41 AM ^
When you stir the shitpot, you often wind up licking the spoon.
Be careful.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:50 AM ^
I don't know if this is a famous quote, or if you just made it up. Regardless, I'm giving you all the credit for this awesome saying, and stealing it, from now on. ?
Great job!
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:42 AM ^
Oh god how could he ever come back from this OP?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401247305
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:44 AM ^
Probably should have waited until we are at least 1-1 against Tucker's MSU teams.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:44 AM ^
Mods, I request this thread to be deleted, please.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:47 AM ^
I would, except that deleting it would wipe out the first Stephen Hawking post in 3 years.
The OP will just have to say "thank you sir, may I have another?" as he absorbs negvote after negvote after negvote.
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:44 AM ^
well, they beat us, but we out hit them, didn't we?
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:46 AM ^
Just another example of why our fan base is widely recognized as the most "dillusional" fan base in America. Measuring the program by things other than actual wins on the field. Mel Tucker just came to Ann Arbor on very limited practice time due to covid, installed a new system on both sides of the ball, with a completely new staff, and embarrassed us.
But we're superior because we flipped an instate recruit that has never played a snap.
SWEET!!
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:51 AM ^
This is a new year.... we started off 1-0 in our battles over lil bro....
how's that?
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:12 AM ^
I guess if that makes you feel better, congrats on the victory!!
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:29 AM ^
i was being sarcastic..... but thanks for taking the time to reply
February 3rd, 2021 at 9:57 AM ^
Look at the comments in this thread. It hardly seems like the op reflects the wider fan base's opinions. So I'm not sure that this is really an example that can be used. Seems more like a small minority, if not outlier, opinion.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:02 AM ^
My brother in law is a Tennessee fan. He still thinks they can be good next year after Grimacegate. I don’t think we’re quite the most delusional fan base although we do have our moments.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:11 AM ^
Excellent use of quotes around "dillusional" since that is not a word.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^
Au contraire, I believe it means to use a pickle as a dildo.
February 3rd, 2021 at 10:55 AM ^
Most delusional fanbase in America?
Nebraska says "hold my beer!"