Wisconsin Snowflakes - The Defense
September 21st, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
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September 21st, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
We held them under 500 yards!
Defense was terrible.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
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September 21st, 2019 at 3:55 PM ^
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September 21st, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^
We have a small defense that is slow and can’t tackle
September 21st, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^
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September 22nd, 2019 at 10:07 PM ^
Do you honestly think saying the f word multiple times is going to solve anything? Tone down the profanity NOW!!!
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:57 PM ^
Ummmm.... no.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:58 PM ^
Defense had no support from the offense. Same story.
Also, DTs are not good.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:13 PM ^
Agree with this take. On these blowout games the offense does nothing to help the defense. If the defense has a bad game, which is becoming more frequent, you can just about guarantee we’re going to lose the game.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:59 PM ^
Run fits were awful. Tackling was awful. Brown’s scheme was awful.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:59 PM ^
Glad we made a statement
September 21st, 2019 at 7:55 PM ^
The statement was “We Suck!”.
September 21st, 2019 at 8:02 PM ^
The statement was “We Suck!”.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:00 PM ^
Michigan needed more beef up the middle. It's like they forgot that teams in the Big Ten play manball.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^
What defense?
September 21st, 2019 at 4:02 PM ^
Defense was not good, but not as bad as the offense. Poor tackling on Taylor and the other backs led to a lot more yards given up than they should have gotten. They didn't put enough pressure on the Wiscy QB either. The DL interior is very poor and frustrating given how much we've been recruiting the position. Dwumfour might help, but he's not the answer by himself.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:40 PM ^
Giving up 28 points in a half is terrible and every bit as bad as the offense. Way more than tackling problems.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:09 PM ^
They're just poorly coached. That's all there is to it.
Brown was hired to stop a run-spread offense led by JT Barrett. He did reasonably well at that. Every other type off offense wrecks him though. This needs to be his last year here.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:29 PM ^
This was a horror show for sure, but saying that “every other type of offense wrecks him” is crazy. Last year, we did exactly to Wisconsin what they just did to us. Same for MSU and Penn State in 2018.
The problem is more complex. Having a crater on the roster at DT made us have to play far lighter than we should have... Wisconsin’s OL was blowing us up even when it was Groshek and Shaw running. And say what you want (and should) about him being a Benedict Arnold, but Matty was a hell of a DL coach.
Also, Taylor might be a future NFL all-pro. There were some times he just regapped like a boss.
This was a terrible game by Brown...but I have more faith in him than Nua, etc. right now.
September 21st, 2019 at 11:56 PM ^
Agree- Taylor deserves a lot of credit. He’d slow down in the closing hole, recalculate and pop up in a new one or bounce it out, all while keeping his legs churning. He has a lot of opponent-invariant skill.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:10 PM ^
I said it all off season, this defense was going to take a huge step back. The Florida game last year was what we can expect. We just don't have the bodies up front. We really miss Hurst and Glasgow. Kemp was a LB/DE recruit who is just not big enough. Even Jeter was kinda a DE recruit. Solomon not working our really hurt us, but why did we have so many eggs in that basket to begin with? Last year we could somewhat mask that liability with all the other star talent on the team that are now in the pros. Until our two frosh DTs come around, we are screwed.
And Brown is a one trick pony that doesn't know how to adapt.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:11 PM ^
The defense looked really poor today. Don Brown has received criticism recently and rightfully so; however, the defense has bailed us out in some games in the past or at least kept the game close. When has the offense ever come out and won a game and taken some pressure of them?
We look so anemic on offense. Right now there’s no reason to think the game against Iowa won’t be a similar affair. I don’t think Iowa scores as much. Disappointing times indeed.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:21 PM ^
Carlo Kemp is undersized and we’re playing him at NT with no size next to him and he plays every snap. He is going to break down physically. It’s not his fault.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:42 PM ^
Yeah, Kemp should be a rotational piece on a good line for a top program....Shows where we are at the moment when he's our best DT.....Hopefully Uche doesn't get killed so he can surprise some NFL team next year when they find out what a monster he is....
September 21st, 2019 at 4:22 PM ^
Losing Greg Mattison was a much bigger loss than anyone expected. The d line hasn't looked this bad since the RR years. Army and Wisconsin gashed at will and the defense knew it was coming.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^
You might as well play the two freshman DT's and run a four man front. Were going to get killed the rest of the year if we continue with the 3-3-5. Our front is too small to run it full time not to mention our LB's outside of Glasgow suck! And what the hell happened to K. Hudson? he has been terrible! We need a four man front to protect what we have at the second level cause it hasn't been pretty.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:40 PM ^
The scary thing is what if Hinton and Smith are significantly worse than converted fullbacks right now? If they are, might as well save them for next year instead of getting them killed and burning a season of eligibility when they might be ready to contribute once they've bulked up
September 21st, 2019 at 9:32 PM ^
Glasgow is not a big time LB. He wouldn’t start on any other BIG team.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:33 PM ^
How is Michigan a major program and yet doesn't have one competent DT....The directionals should be rolling out D-Lines our size....These basic flaws in recruiting might well doom Harbaugh more than the bad schemes, failure to find a competent offense etc.... I mean, what "major" program with UM's resources has a D-Line this bad....
September 21st, 2019 at 4:39 PM ^
Michigan also ran a lot of four man fronts and got blown off the ball on nearly every play. That was the most undisciplined I’ve seen a Michigan defense play since brown was hired. They were manhandled in the middle, but they also had terrible gap integrity throughout the game. Honestly, that was bad and strange. If you really don’t think Mazi or Hinton can play, I’m in favor of odd fronts that have blitzing linebackers. It allows Michigan to play Uche more, and I think he’s the lone play maker in the front seven. I also think danna should get more snaps. Idk. It’s strange. It’s like they don’t know what they have.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:20 PM ^
I think it has to be a given that Smith and Hinton aren't ready...I mean what more would it take to get them in..... I'm also puzzled as to Danna's lack of involvement....Without the two freshman DT's, we're in a situation where we have mediocre rotational pieces (Kemp, Jeter) and a converted fullback as our starting and only DT's....Sucks we have to waste Uche like this, imagine him with a real D-Line.....I think Hutchison's another guy that would look solid too if we had at least average starting DT's....Danna, I dunno, I thought he was supposed to be good....
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:08 AM ^
Danna was the one guy to get any true push in this game. He was only in, by my estimation, for a quarter of the snaps, but he bulled the RG back on the Kwity Paye TFL for a UFR +2, and closed down the gaps on at least two separate Taylor runs (on both of which Taylor regapped - that guy is flat out good). In his limited snaps, he’s looked like a pretty competent DE to me.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:43 PM ^
It just sometimes seems to be too many risks with Don Brown's defensive schemes. I mean, there was a huge gap on a goal line defensive play, which allowed the Wisconsin QB to just basically walk into the end zone.
The Army game commentators were criticizing Michigan for having those same defensive line gaps on most likely short yardage running play calls by the offense.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:01 PM ^
That play really pissed me off. It was EXACTLY the same as the Army game. Wisconsin watches film. Leaving that gap made the sneak a gimme.
Stopping them there might have had a big impact on the game.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:48 PM ^
UM's defense was out-sized, out-manned and spectacularly out-coached
September 21st, 2019 at 4:49 PM ^
Look at this shit. Army did the same thing 2 weeks ago.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:21 PM ^
This....I mean isn't that why we have highly paid assistant coaches with bazillions in resources behind them....
September 21st, 2019 at 7:13 PM ^
Glasgow as a DT? Nobody to cover the A gap? Was that by design or did someone fuck up?
September 22nd, 2019 at 8:48 AM ^
I'm still a Don Brown guy. But this is the kind of shit I'm struggling with. Sure, Smith and Hinton aren't ready full time. You can't stick 300 pounds of beef in there even situationally? What the fuck was Glasgow supposed to accomplish there? Coan had an untouched 5 yard gain on a goal line sneak. And while that A gap was glaringly open, he could've walked in over the right side if he wanted to as Michigan got absolutely mauled. (sigh) It makes my head spin.
September 22nd, 2019 at 2:42 AM ^
Our QBs are suppose to do the same thing but they cannot read a defense and think quick on their feet.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:50 PM ^
This defense is not talented.
How did anyone think this defense would be good let alone hearing asinine things like "They could be better than last year"
The DL is a complete abomination. Seriously, who elected Carlo Kemp captain? (Harbaugh did) Captains need to dominate on the field. DLine absolutely brutal. Linebackers no better. Hudson, Glasgow, Ross, Anthony - not one special player among them.
The secondary is not the problem.
Sorry to name names and point fingers but it had to be said...
I'm not even mad at the players, I just am shocked that people fell for the hype that this defense would be good or even great.
And I'm off the Don Brown bandwagon...Jordan Glasgow on the DL on short yardage...Really coach? I have no faith in Don Brown.
Y'all also anointed Josh Gattis as a genius before he ever called a play...Again, everyone falling for the hype.
The OL is too big and slow and has never been able to pick up a stunt...Overrated.
Sorry to be a downer, but I don't expect to see big improvements. It's now a talent issue. The exodus of players leaving is being felt...
It all starts at the top.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:54 PM ^
What was that safety switching constantly running themselves out of the play?
September 21st, 2019 at 5:24 PM ^
Yeah, the D-Line is so atrocious that it took away how badly the safeties played....I'm surprised Dax Hill isn't more ready to go, not that we should be relying on true freshman, but he must be way behind not to be in the rotation...5 stars like him aren't usually 5 year players....
September 21st, 2019 at 5:07 PM ^
Did the defense even play today? This team is a disgrace. They had two weeks and looked like they went on vacation for two weeks. The coaches don't prepare the players and the players have no idea what they are doing.
They wanted to make a statement... they did. "WE SUCK"
September 21st, 2019 at 5:13 PM ^
Onwenu to NT. Needs to happen, can't have teams running all over Michigan at will.
September 21st, 2019 at 6:24 PM ^
Well, the oline couldnt have gotten much worse with him on defense today. I watched him and Runyan get blown by on a freaking double team today.
September 21st, 2019 at 9:43 PM ^
He did practice at DT for a while when he first arrived.
I feel like he may have even played in a few goal-line looks no?
September 21st, 2019 at 5:15 PM ^
I made a bet with myself: pluck a pube for every Wisconsin 1st down. I now look like I got a Brazilian wax. Thanks, Don Brown! I’m going to look great for my cruise in a couple weeks!
Oh wait, I’m a dude.... crap.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:35 PM ^
It’s simply lack of talent on defense especially up front. They have recruited extremely poorly with defensive tackles and nose guards.
Harbaugh recruited mostly under a the radar 3 stars. He hit the ultimate jackpot with Devin Bush. But very one else is average at best.
The dline will be weak all year long. Here is no fix for bad talent.