Roster Question
Just curious,why did the Oliver Martin thread get deleted yesterday? I know most of the information was behind the Paywall, but if it was discussed openly in other places 2 days later I would think that is free game. Any thoughts? As fans we can speculate all we want about the roster especially when we know we are 2-3 over the limit. I think it is reasonable to talk about spring practice, fifth years seniors, early departures, and recruiting to fill out the roster. If I am off base, let me know.
January 21st, 2019 at 6:36 PM ^
What do you think?
January 21st, 2019 at 7:18 PM ^
I think the WR room probably has some upset guys (edit: and I wouldn’t blame them) so a Martin transfer won’t surprise me.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:26 PM ^
I think It has always been frowned upon on this site to talk about players like this in specific regarding attrition.
Since Ulizio is in the transfer portal already.. I will use this example...
”We will pick up a spot because there is no way Nolan Ulizio gets his 5th year” = bad.
”We should pick up a spot or two due to non-renewed 5th years” = is a good topic for discussion.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:29 PM ^
Great example.
January 22nd, 2019 at 8:55 AM ^
What do other boards (specifically our rivals) do? I know OSU has 11W, but don't know the flagship ND or MSU blogs (and I don't mean the 247 or Rivals boards).
Do they speculate on players leaving, not playing...?
Also, the Ulizio example isn't a great one, because the first quote is insulting to a current player. The "no way that ..." implies that the player isn't very good. Why couldn't player names be used in the 2nd example e.g. "... non-renewed 5th years (Jblaze & Jblaze's dog are my guess)"?
January 22nd, 2019 at 10:28 AM ^
Let's not compare ourselves to RCMB...
January 22nd, 2019 at 2:14 PM ^
Still frowned upon - mainly because of the negative connotation a “non-renewed 5th year” indicates even if it isn’t blatant like I was trying to do in my example.
I have learned these conjectures (or maybe just me) are normally wrong anyway. I.e. I would have bet decent $$ that there was no way Lo Marshall and/or JBB would get their 5ths last season.
January 21st, 2019 at 6:45 PM ^
We should be able to discuss it. That’s what this board is literally for. Better than discussing types of gravy.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:01 PM ^
One can argue both sides...many fans should just stick to "gravy".
January 21st, 2019 at 8:12 PM ^
It's all gravy.
January 22nd, 2019 at 3:09 PM ^
I agree with you. However, many times these fan sites get noticed by the programs. The heads of the site are known and sometimes swing their site into some perks. They then become soft and police negativity because they fear the perks will go bye bye. Typical of these things. Fan boys gonna Fan. They have to protect the outside potential of access to the program by killing what made the site big in the first place.
January 22nd, 2019 at 9:20 AM ^
Who doesn't love gravy?
January 22nd, 2019 at 10:23 AM ^
I make my own gravy if I have the time. You really have to stand over it, whisking constantly to avoid lumps and get it to the desired consistency.
January 22nd, 2019 at 12:26 PM ^
Obviously a Communist.^^^
January 22nd, 2019 at 10:41 PM ^
It should be allowed, but people just need to frame the transfer or firm handshake in a tactful way.
Wrong way: "Dude sucks and we could use the schollie"
Right way: "Since he hasn't played much because he's been behind stellar players like Winovich and Gary and couldn't accrue much game experience it might be in his interest to seek playing time elsewhere or in the team's interest to focus on young players for the future."
And no rumors from a bar.
January 21st, 2019 at 6:48 PM ^
I agree. Don’t get why it would be a problem as long as people don’t quote from other sites that charge. It was all pure speculation and the poster didn’t even reference any other site’s info did he?
January 21st, 2019 at 6:56 PM ^
Are we over the limit? By my count, we had 4 players leave early, Ulizio is in the transfer portal, Aubrey Solomon transferred, and O'Maury Samuels was dismissed from the program. Even if Ulizio were to return, that leaves 11 current juniors (by eligibility) next year, 21 sophomores, 29 freshmen, and 23 incoming. That's 84 players.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:55 PM ^
Yes, we're over the limit by 3 even without Ulizio (LINK).
January 22nd, 2019 at 11:23 AM ^
Thanks Magnus, I made the mistake of using Mgoblog's depth chart, which it turns out is missing Perry, Pesek-Hickson, Anthony Solomon, Keegan, and Cornelius Johnson, and still includes Eric Gray. That should probably be fixed.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:11 PM ^
A new moderator.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:22 PM ^
So he’s transferring? I’m behind on this information and didn’t see the thread.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:58 PM ^
There's been no official indication that he's transferring.
January 21st, 2019 at 8:46 PM ^
This is the internet. If we can only talk about things that have been "officially indicated" ...well, we're basically done here.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:31 PM ^
All I know is that I left the bar rumor thread because there was a good mix of balls and bizzare in posting such a thing based on something overheard a bar. The other thread.....I couldn't tell you.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:38 PM ^
Thanks LSA. I know that it was the second time in a thread over the weekend and that there was reporting on another site. I thought it would have been okay to discuss at that point. I was just curious and thought maybe the thread was derailed by something else.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:46 PM ^
To finicky here, every time someone wants to talk about anything other then the norm and actually wants to get into the nuts and bolts of things people flip out!
January 21st, 2019 at 8:46 PM ^
Spot on
January 22nd, 2019 at 9:50 AM ^
The other side to that discussing rumors about players is like tweeting at recruits: it can be counterproductive and downright stupid. Do you really want to risk pissing off players who are already considering transferring?
I'd suggest the policy to require some kind of official news is good. If his name was in the transfer portal, then we can discuss it. If his name isn't, it's stupid and pointless and potentially just plain bad.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:49 PM ^
Martin is a good player but D1 elite? Probably not. We need D1 elite so if he needs to move on that is good for him. Just need to block his access to B1G teams. If not, he can hang on the 3-deep abis.
January 21st, 2019 at 7:56 PM ^
He’s a redshirt freshman right? On a team with three 6-3+ 215+ dudes that all run sub 4.5 40 yard dashes I think more time is needed before saying he isn’t elite.
January 21st, 2019 at 8:10 PM ^
OK - then he is way behind DPJ, Collins, Black and likely Bell. If he wants PT, then he needs to bulk up and be a slot God. He is getting passed at true WR. I just don’t see the bad-ass slot guy from Oliver, but he could be if he wanted it.
January 21st, 2019 at 8:29 PM ^
He’s young if he sticks he’ll be the number one or two option as a junior
January 22nd, 2019 at 10:31 PM ^
So you think 3 or maybe all 4 out of DPJ, Black, Collins, and Bell are going to be gone after next year? Because that looks like it's what it would take for Martin to be #1 or #2 in 2020 as a junior.
January 21st, 2019 at 8:11 PM ^
I agree. I'd love to see what he turns into under new Offensive Coordinator Josh Gattis before writing him off.
January 21st, 2019 at 8:20 PM ^
Oliver Martin could be Wes Welker with wheels ... but is he fearless enough?
January 21st, 2019 at 8:23 PM ^
Honestly, not sure it mattered....Perry was off this year, but might have averaged 1 target a game, the tempo and play calls certainly did not place much emphasis on slot receivers.
Michigan has the players to compete if they increase tempo (cannot run play clock down to 5 seconds or less every damn play). They increase the use of receivers as a whole as a group (hard to target when you are only using 1-2 receivers in many of the formations) with TE heavy formations and a run heavy emphasis. Need to use spread formations/remove the play-action 3rd and long from the playbook, and probably really place some emphasis on the fact you can take some shots with the athletes they have vs. being so damn turnover averse it stops any type of risk taking at all.
January 21st, 2019 at 8:41 PM ^
Perry was a total disappointment.
January 21st, 2019 at 10:02 PM ^
Was it Perry, or was it the passing game? Because Perry was a quality player that I felt rarely got used effectively.
January 21st, 2019 at 10:51 PM ^
Both? Perry wasn't utilized very well but he didn't exactly light things on fire when he was given a chance. Very possible he's the type of player who needs to get a certain number of snaps per game to get into the rhythm necessary to make his route running skills pay dividends.
January 22nd, 2019 at 7:55 AM ^
Grant Perry had 72 career catches for 765 yards (10.6 yards/catch) and 3 touchdowns. Part of that may have been the offense, but those numbers don't scream to me that he was underutilized.
January 22nd, 2019 at 5:51 PM ^
We never place emphasis on slot receivers. There barely even IS such a thing as a "slot receiver" in our offense. "Slot receiver" is just a label that some here like to stick on recruits that aren't very athletic or that don't have a position, or on guys who have been here a couple years and haven't accomplished much.
January 22nd, 2019 at 7:33 PM ^
Our slot receivers are just lost fullbacks.
January 21st, 2019 at 8:23 PM ^
Patterson missed him wide open on many occasions this year .
January 21st, 2019 at 8:30 PM ^
He did have that one play where it went through this hands and hit him in the face...I remember thinking to myself that the hype on him was his hands were elite
January 22nd, 2019 at 8:11 AM ^
And your spelling is... abismal.
January 22nd, 2019 at 9:00 AM ^
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January 21st, 2019 at 8:40 PM ^
Would suck if Martin left. I think he has really good hands and will become a very good WR in the coming years