D-Line CC: Mike Trgovac?
I’m hearing a lot of chatter about Michigan alum and current Raiders D-Line coach Mike Trgovac. Nothing confirmed, just a face to keep your eye on.
January 8th, 2019 at 8:38 PM ^
Jeebus. This is nonsense. First off, Michigan is always going to get good players. It's Michigan. That's how it works from Bo, Mo, Carr, (even Rod...), Hoke, Harbaugh, Brady?
So, clearly you're a Jimmies and Joes guy vs. X's and O's. And yet, I can read post after god damn post after post about how scheme, fcuking scheme, is the problem for this rigid Don Brown (who btw, is a hell of a recruiter in ranking). Scheme. X's, O's. Michigan had a bunch of pretty solid defensive players. They got schemed to death against tOSU and Florida.
If the coach is average at scheme then the "high ceiling" recruit will never reach their potential anyway.
January 8th, 2019 at 11:47 PM ^
You're probably wrong though.
Meyer has hired a number of coaches not thought of as great recruiters and I doubt any of us know that much about Saban's and Swinney's hires.
Harbaugh is quite willing to hire coaches whose strength is recruiting; Washington and Moore were the last two, Partridge before them. One thing he did to upgrade recruiting was to put a large support staff in place. Alabama was ahead of the game in that respect and it was credited for a lot of Saban's early recruiting success there.
Coaches cover for each other's weaknesses. Those that aren't great recruiters aren't made responsible for bringing in their whole position group. Sherrone Moore isn't just recruiting TEs. Partridge isn't just recruiting Vipers or now safeties and Don Brown isn't sitting on his hands.That's just not how recruiting works.
Same with coaching. The weaker coaches are given less responsibility or more help from GAs. You can't afford to have too many of them without the results suffering.
January 8th, 2019 at 6:28 PM ^
The only silver lining here is that the same complaints we are seeing about Trgovac are the same that were said about Herm when ASU hired him and that looks like a pretty good hire for them after Yr 1
January 8th, 2019 at 7:06 PM ^
Everybody bitched about Jedd too. Now the same whiners want him back...
January 8th, 2019 at 7:50 PM ^
Does it though? Your ability to coach college shows in year 3-4-5. Hell Hoke had a better year one than Harbaugh.
January 8th, 2019 at 8:19 PM ^
Being an ASU alum, who works for a company that partners with the university, and who still lives in the area, yes, Edwards has been much better than anyone thought and better than Todd Graham was. ASU had a solid game plan in every game this year, played every opponent close, were fundamentally sound, and recruited well.
January 8th, 2019 at 6:36 PM ^
This would be a stellar hire. One of the best D-Line guys around. Really hope this happens.
January 8th, 2019 at 6:44 PM ^
Not every assistant coach has to be a great recruiter. Zordich certainly isn't. Warinner isn't supposed to be. While you would love everyone on staff to be a great teacher, a great strategist and a great recruiter, that doesn't mean it's plausible. Ideally you should want every coach to be great at something. Some position groups really need a great coach, OL for example, DL too. Find a great coach for the DL and a great young recruiter to help him or Brown with the LBs.
I'd be OK with a top notch teacher and a top young recruiter filling those two open spots. Hopefully they're also good at everything else.
January 8th, 2019 at 8:14 PM ^
That's the point though.. Zordich, Hamilton, and Warriner (although he might be better than he's given credit for) already are not ace recruiters.
We go out and hire another guy that can't recruit??
I'm not suggesting Trogvac can't, I have no idea, but I think JH should make damn sure the two guys he brings on board CAN recruit.
Pretty much every guy on Urban's staff was a good recruiter - it's why Warriner was let go there in fact. Same for Nick Saban, same for Kirby Smart.
If we're going to compete with those teams, we have to be able to recruit with them too.
Hiring another guy who can't is like taking a bullet out of your chamber on the way to a gun fight.
January 8th, 2019 at 11:35 PM ^
that's similar to my take. i'm a "you win in the trenches" guy. get pressure on the QB on D and prevent it on O. i prefer an experienced proven teacher on the OL and DL. let the hot shot recruiters coach the other positions. that's where all of the prima donnas are anyway; the skilled positions.
i think harbaugh and brown can help out where needed on the recruiting trail.
January 8th, 2019 at 6:46 PM ^
Seeing that it’s mostly the noobs that are bitching about this potential hire and they’ve done nothing but bitch about EVERYTHING for the last couple months on this board, I would be good with this hire!
January 8th, 2019 at 6:52 PM ^
Almost 60 year old white guy who hasn't recruited since the mid-90s? Admittedly without know anything about him other than being a UM grad, I'm not a huge fan of the lack of youth or ethnic diversity unless he's a much better recruiter and better at relating to HS kids than his book cover would indicate.
January 8th, 2019 at 7:17 PM ^
Soooo....your saying your against a guy getting a job based on his race and age?
January 8th, 2019 at 7:22 PM ^
No, I'm against a guy getting a job that can't recruit. I'm making an assumption about what his age & ethnicity means about his recruiting ability which is 100% an unfair hot take, but just playing the odds here.
January 8th, 2019 at 7:46 PM ^
Dang I’m getting negged for sticking up for equality...can’t keep up with these millennials and their whims
January 8th, 2019 at 7:57 PM ^
Ethnicity? Really? C'mon man. At least if you're going to pop off something stupid like this, get your reasoning correct.
January 9th, 2019 at 10:36 AM ^
It's fair to hope for more african-american staffers and coaches for a game that's played by predominantly african-american kids. This is not the way to go about that.
January 8th, 2019 at 6:52 PM ^
Crazy idea...hire up and coming college coaches who can recruit. Not NFL guys who won't. But I'm passed the point of thinking that Harbaugh knows what he's doing here.
January 8th, 2019 at 8:01 PM ^
God Bless America you're insufferable, Tom. Whether or not this rumor has any traction has yet to be determined. Further, you have NO EARTHLY IDEA whether this guy can recruit or not. From the resume posted below, he most likely has quite a bit of recruiting experience, but keep on spinning everything to suit your anti-Harbaugh narrative.
Dip Shit!
January 8th, 2019 at 6:54 PM ^
Brady Hoke for Dline and RichRod for OC, can I get an Amen????
January 8th, 2019 at 6:54 PM ^
I don’t care if Harbaugh brings in a Michigan alum to coach.
Can he coach? Can he recruit? If he fits those two qualifications, he could’ve done his undergrad at OSU for all I care. Hire him.
January 8th, 2019 at 6:59 PM ^
See Julius Peppers and BJ Raji.... this guy is legit
January 8th, 2019 at 7:01 PM ^
Jon Gruden hired him. That's says a lot about him.
Is this news real, that he may come to Michigan?
January 8th, 2019 at 8:44 PM ^
"WTF does Jon Gruden know about football?"
#MGoBlog'd
January 8th, 2019 at 7:04 PM ^
Everyone bashing this possibility is hysterical.
The guy played at Michigan (he was 1st team all-Big Ten) was a grad assistant here, coached d-line at Ball State, Navy, CSU (under Earl Bruce) & Notre Dame (under Holtz), then went to the NFL and coached D-line for the Eagles, Packers, Redskins and Panthers. THEN he was the Panthers D-Coordinator for 6 years, during which they 3 times finished in the top 10 in both yards against and points allowed.
Then he was the D-Line coach for Green Bay for 9 years and Oakland for 1.
So the guy has as much D-Line coaching experience as ANYONE, and was a pretty decent NFL defensive coordinator as well. Bagging on him as some NFL reject is just bullshit.
He's coached under Ray Rhodes, Marty Schottenheimer, John Fox, Mike McCarthy, Jon Gruden and as I mentioned before, Lou Holtz & Earl Bruce.
Sure, there are questions about recruiting. But questioning the guy's credentials is just stupid.
January 8th, 2019 at 7:13 PM ^
Better track record than Mattison and younger. Sign him up. Does anyone think Larry Johnson is a retread? Thank you for your post. This would be a home run hire. Don Brown esque
January 8th, 2019 at 8:34 PM ^
January 8th, 2019 at 11:58 PM ^
Well, maybe because he's a former Michigan All-Big Ten player, and college assistant coaches now make big $$$. Mattison made $525,000, so Michigan can clearly pay at least that much or more to his replacement.
But you're right that he can probably make more money as an NFL assistant, so he would have to have a special desire to come back to Michigan for this to work. The guy is 60 though--so coming back to Ann Arbor to cap off his career might sound good to him, rather than continuing to bounce around the NFL.
January 8th, 2019 at 7:06 PM ^
Would prefer youth and recruiting gusto to aged, NFL types.
January 8th, 2019 at 7:07 PM ^
I am with you. OSU hired the biggest retread on M’s staff and people are upset. If the guy can coach up the talent bring him on.
January 8th, 2019 at 7:14 PM ^
First off, I'm sure we feel comfortable with promoting either Partridge to LB coach and/or sliding Bush into Patridge's spot or give Bush the LB spot, but at a lower salary than Partridge, right?
OK, so we're just looking for a new d-line coach then another analyst to replace Bush. After a quick google search for 247 top recruiter rankings and looking at d-line here's what's there...
Tray Scott - UGA d-line coach ($420k) - Probably can't lure him away
Ikaika Malloe - Current UW d-line coach ($355k) - Can we lure away and/or does JH have any ties from his west coast time?
Dennis Johnson - LSU d-line coach ($200k) - I'm sure we can match salary and that would be a great place to have recruiting ties. Plus he's young and has ethnic diversity
Terry Price - T A&M - D-ends coach ($500k) - Not sure we'd match that salary
Sean Spencer - PSU d-line coach (can't find salary)
January 8th, 2019 at 8:02 PM ^
what are/was/were your other account names? today is not your first day on the blog, and your user name is pretty offensive.
January 8th, 2019 at 9:13 PM ^
I have been a member on this board for a decade and someone deleted my old username because I posted a thread citing James Yoder who reported Washington to OSU last week. Turns out he was correct. I was not happy about getting my username deleted hence my new name, so yeah eff whomever made that choice.
January 9th, 2019 at 11:00 AM ^
If you don't realize Yoder is the worst you deserve to have your account deleted. He's a nothing with no sources other than the premium services he belongs to, and acts like a bratty 12 year old.
Just last night on twitter he 1) completely fabricated rumor about one of our 2020 recruits Kalil Branham based on nothing, 2) got owned by said recruit, and 3) proceeded to harass that recruit. This is example #large number of his essential douche canoeness. Stop following, stop mentioning, stop defending your prior following of him. You fucked up, he's a douche, move forward.
January 9th, 2019 at 9:30 AM ^
Washington had basically taken Partridge's old job. That would be a step back for Partridge, not a promotion. People just don't seem to get that Don Brown is the primary LB coach. Moving Partridge to safeties was a promotion.
January 8th, 2019 at 7:15 PM ^
Lol at people bitch who also freaked about Mattison leaving. Trgovac is better but I’d be surprised if he left the NFL.
January 8th, 2019 at 7:19 PM ^
I remember all the complaints about Dick Vermeal and his coaching staff being too old, and they wouldn't able to relate to the young NFL players of this modern age.
As it turns out, a lot of young men want a father and grandfather figure in their life.
January 8th, 2019 at 7:36 PM ^
Different than college where you have to relate to someone to get them to come to your school. In the nfl, they're on your team, a decision made by someone other than you.
January 8th, 2019 at 7:41 PM ^
Do you work in recruiting?
January 8th, 2019 at 7:25 PM ^
Bring in Dick Vermiel and Tom Coughlin! They have footballed before!
January 8th, 2019 at 7:29 PM ^
And Bobby Ross! He’s still got a few good years left in him!
January 8th, 2019 at 8:45 PM ^
Coach Ditka!
January 9th, 2019 at 7:12 AM ^
At this point I think we'd accept anyone with the last name Woodson. Doesn't have to be Charles. Can be Steve, Tim, Paul, Carl or even Ledondray Woodson.
January 8th, 2019 at 8:01 PM ^
Gotta be honest, with the young, talented recruiters out there I would be less than thrilled with this hire. A clear downgrade from Mattison.
January 8th, 2019 at 8:09 PM ^
Whomever they decide to hire, please teach the DLinemen to do two things:
1) Draw holding flags when they're being blatantly held;
and, 2) Get their hands up and bat down passes when they cannot get to the QB
January 8th, 2019 at 8:11 PM ^
Please no.
January 8th, 2019 at 8:34 PM ^
Michigan Trgovac rumors have been around for a long ass time. When Jim Herrmann left, he was supposed to be the next DC. He's an easy rumor to spread, so I doubt it's legit.
January 8th, 2019 at 9:08 PM ^
Will he bring Hurst with him?
January 8th, 2019 at 9:31 PM ^
Let's get Purdue's rides up DC. Could you imagine him and 2015 Harbaugh not giving a fuck, and chewing out refs?
January 8th, 2019 at 10:03 PM ^
There's literally no one else even hinting at this. I imagine you believe everything you hear..