Peach Bowl Snowflakes: The Coaching
December 29th, 2018 at 5:51 PM ^
It didn't take him long. They were in the title game in '13. So, his third year they were in the National Title Game. But, jokes on them, they with they had Harbaugh.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:04 PM ^
Clean-ish teams that have been to NCG/CFP or won a P5 conference championship since Harbaugh was hired:
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Washington
Oregon
Stanford
USC
PSU
MSU
I wouldn't want to be MSU or USC until they get a new AD (and coach) but the first 3 programs are in better shape than us and in the end because our premier achievement is beating PSU and WI a few times and that one Citrus Bowl win I don't know that we've really accomplished anything that the others haven't. Racking up better records against the Indianas and NWs of the world I guess?
December 29th, 2018 at 5:20 PM ^
So what you're saying is, given the circumstances that Harbaugh has, you think Brian Kelly, James Franklin, Lincoln Riley, whoever is coaching Oregon, David Shaw, Mork Dantoni, would all be better coaches?
December 29th, 2018 at 5:58 PM ^
What evidence do you have to say those coaches wouldn't be? They literally all have more accomplishments than Harbaugh.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:06 PM ^
You missed one glaring point...UM is no Clemson. Not to mention Harbuagh couldn't roll up Dabo's headset cable. How long you gonna keep posting and comparing meaningless bullshit like this? UM will never be in the conversation under this staff. Dreams are also nightmares, welcome to the nightmare of UM football.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:29 PM ^
Right. Because in Dabo's 4th year I'm sure everyone was predicting national championships in the near future.
December 29th, 2018 at 6:57 PM ^
You are right, but I don't think anyone here was predicting that for JH either. You would be hard pressed to find anyone here predicting that for JH in the near future, 8th or 9th year if he lasts that long. After what we have seen the last few years I for one damn sure ain't predicting that.
December 30th, 2018 at 12:13 AM ^
Ok, I've read through your comments, I hear you calling for reason to prevail, and I don't disagree... I just have one (ok, four related) question(s)... do you recommend any changes in the coaching staff, or the offensive or defensive philosophy, at all?... Is it just keep on doing what we've been doing?... Is it just tweak something--if so, what? Sure, we hear you: don't freak out... but are you saying that no changes are necessary?
December 29th, 2018 at 5:10 PM ^
And that their Offensive Coordinator was Chad Morris who was considered and offensive genius...so much that Urban tried to poach him from Clemson.
December 29th, 2018 at 6:26 PM ^
I’m guessing that if 2018 Michigan Football said B1G champions and B1G East champions, things would be different
December 29th, 2018 at 9:20 PM ^
Then we would be getting our asses handed to us by Bama instead of Oklahoma. but at least we would have beaten OSU and progress would be evident.
December 29th, 2018 at 10:28 PM ^
Hey! Let’s point to a random data set that has no bearing on this program nor affects us in any way whatsoever to prove some point that we’re heading in the right direction.
This is the stupidest argument ever and you should feel like a complete moron for even posting it.
December 30th, 2018 at 6:29 AM ^
It is what the Harbaugh apologists all do. Hell a number people here are bitching about Carr and the damage he did to the program. WTF has that got to do with anything? Some of these asinine arguing points are just stupid as you have pointed out.
December 30th, 2018 at 12:30 AM ^
“But at least we won 10 games.”
There are a lot of coaches out there that could beat up on the weak Big10 with the talent we have...at a lot cheaper cost too. No need to pay so much for embarrassing losses to end the season when there’s lots of cheaper coaches who could achieve the same thing.
December 30th, 2018 at 12:58 AM ^
And the thing that made it even worse was that even though we got absolutely destroyed, it was clear we were the more talented team. Florida looked like a middle of the pack top 25 team, we just looked that bad out there in terms of strategy and scheme
December 29th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^
Jim Harbaugh is now 1-9 against top 10 teams.
Michigan has lost a record 26 bowl games.
This program is irrelevant and MANBALL is 100% the reason why.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^
Guys, this is who we are. After four years we know this. We are a ten win team who can't beat good teams, with a defense and D-coordinator that is good but over-rated, and a head coach who is good, but a poor game manager. There is no objective evidence, nothing whatsoever, that would suggest that will change. If you don't calibrate your expectations to this going forward, you are in for more disappointment. As for me, I'm disappointed but vastly prefer this situation to what we had with Hoke and RR. So I'm actually accepting of this reality. Thinking that we "should" be more is irrelevant and foolish. Harbaugh is going nowhere, this is the program we have. Consistent 10 win seasons, which is nice but that's the ceiling, and that's a reality.
December 29th, 2018 at 4:02 PM ^
sadly I agree
pisses me off
but you’re right
December 29th, 2018 at 4:10 PM ^
What kind of sad ass post is this? Do you honestly believe Michigan would STILL be a 10 win team with an offense like Oklahoma’s???
We have the athletes. Fans like you are the reason why this program remains in the doldrums.
December 29th, 2018 at 4:52 PM ^
Lol. Yes that’s why. It’s the fans like me
December 29th, 2018 at 6:58 PM ^
It's all your fault
December 30th, 2018 at 1:40 AM ^
literally laughed out loud....
December 29th, 2018 at 6:54 PM ^
Exactly correct. I won't watch a Michigan - OSU game or bowl game until this craptastic coaching staff shows some innovation in a big game.
On the other hand, we are good for 9 or 10 wins most years with this staff. That's not horrible, but it's not great either. It's just kinda there. With this staff it'll be pretty clear when we have a decent chance to win, because they will never get this team to win a game they aren't expected to. At least we'll know when to watch.
December 29th, 2018 at 7:31 PM ^
That's what we are, and that's what we have been. We've had a NC in '97, and apart from that? EVERY YEAR since late Bo era, we have been a 2-3 loss team, or worse under RR/Hoke. When people talk about what we should be, it's sad. We are this. Exactly this.
December 29th, 2018 at 7:34 PM ^
You realize that Michigan karma is a thing; and that we could beat OSU 70-0 next year but that it wouldn't matter because THAT would also happen to be the year we lost our first 5 games in a row and would be completely out of any conference race.
December 30th, 2018 at 9:23 AM ^
What’s that saying on the motivational displays?
“‘Good’ is the opposite of ‘Great’; don’t be afraid of greatness.”
December 29th, 2018 at 4:57 PM ^
In hind sight we saw everything we needed to see on the first drive when UM goes FB dive on 3rd & 4th and didn't get it. I think UF had a 40 yard gain on their 4th and 1.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^
I'm not saying fire Harbaugh, but at what point do we talk about his seat warming up?
Yeah, it's an exhibition game, but all of the same issues that we had in the regular season showed up again. When are things gonna change? And if they don't change, when do we say enough?
December 29th, 2018 at 3:44 PM ^
I have been the biggest supporter of harbaugh, but his seat is white hot. No other way to put. The 1-9 record against top ten teams, and two blow outs in a row.
I believe there is an issue internally with the culture of the team
December 29th, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^
The seat is warm right now. 2019 is make-or-break ... and by "make" I mean B1G championship.
And that starts in the off-season. We'll see if Harbaugh has what it takes to make the necessary changes. This program has serious problems. Change or die. It's that simple.
(Change = OC who knows the college game; Harbaugh gets out of the play-calling business; Hamilton hits the bricks; Brown leaves unless he's certain he can adapt to defense teams like OSU and Florida.)
December 29th, 2018 at 4:03 PM ^
Unfortunately, the two OCs that know the college game best are now head coaches at Oklahoma and OSU. That wasn't Urban's offense that ripped us Nov. 24th - that was Day's. And what more needs to be said about L. Riley's offense at Oklahoma ?
December 29th, 2018 at 4:05 PM ^
Not to worry, the team will be traveling abroad this summer for some culture and team bonding, and this could propel them to the BIG championship !
December 29th, 2018 at 3:53 PM ^
I don't think Harbaugh's been the same since he started wearing glases. Take them off, we're all set.
December 29th, 2018 at 4:07 PM ^
Hahahah, that actually made me laugh out loud. Good stuff. needed to smile today somehow
December 29th, 2018 at 4:29 PM ^
Well then laugh at yourself... because its true, whether its coincidental or not.... he seemed to have become "old" since then, and it can affect 18 year olds and perception, which becomes reality.
December 29th, 2018 at 6:43 PM ^
Yes, and that the glasses you wear are in homage to a coach that is long since passed. Continues to make you look like (no pun intended) someone that is stuck in the past.
December 29th, 2018 at 6:57 PM ^
It's the new baby. The dude is an old (tons of millage on that body) mid-50's with a new infant.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:56 PM ^
It's warm. There's no more pinning it on Hoke and while there has been a bit of bad luck at times and they've been good but not great for most of his tenure, you can't fail to win meaningful games, have an a total lack of trophies indefinitely. The expectations aren't being met. And there's now a narrative in place about his program that it can't compete at the highest levels which will harm recruiting. He's on the precipice of losing the fanbase and $ alumni and that only has one long-term outcome.
December 29th, 2018 at 5:19 PM ^
Unless you are a big donor alum or a former all-America, then “our saying enough” is irrelevant.
Schlissel and Warde are perfectly ok with 10-3, a major bowl game, clean program and good guys on the roster.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^
Coaches lead, inspire and win. We don’t have those. Invalid thread.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:45 PM ^
It sure appears Harbaugh cannot motivate his players, from lacklusters game performance to players sitting out.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^
Rather than calling for certain individuals to be fired, or questioning the schemes, I think someone needs to ask: do the players hate the coaches?
If you combine the incredible number of transfers, players sitting out the bowl who aren’t even NFL prospects and the absolute lack of effort these last two games we need to ask...
Do the players hate Harbaugh?
Before everyone negs me to infinity, let’s remember that JHs shelf life at his other stops has shown to be about four years.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:42 PM ^
You're delusional and pathetic.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:45 PM ^
Care to cite some facts?
Like explain why Solomon tranfers before the bowl game when he could have played and transferred after it without impacting his eligibility at all?
He wanted out of dodge. It’s obvious.
December 29th, 2018 at 4:29 PM ^
That one really bothered me and we sure could have used Aubrey today.
December 29th, 2018 at 4:10 PM ^
great take. hmmmm Solomon jetted QUICK. parents tweeting that "it will all come to light" hmmmm yeah, Harbaugh sure looks like a great leader. The delusion here is comical. Harbaugh is so fucking overrated it's nauseating.
December 29th, 2018 at 7:00 PM ^
You're talking about yourself, and you don't even realize it. This dude is 100% correct.
December 29th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^
I did wonder this as well. Harbaugh grinds on people and has worn out his welcome before. Is it just coincidence that we had some peculiar transfers, more players sitting out the bowl than our peers, and a nosedive in performance at the end of the year? Might well all be unrelated, who knows, but it could be an indication that he lost this team in November.
December 29th, 2018 at 4:11 PM ^
It would be easier to give Harbaugh the benefit of the doubt on this one if he was interested in the fanbase getting to know him and his program. Michigan Replay has turned into a charade. He doesn't do more than a couple minutes of pre-taped garbage when Gameday comes to town. He won't do on-field interviews. He shows up for pressers acting like a clown, with his Bo hat and bumbling answers that are increasingly vague, if not completely incoherent. He's receded into an almost non-entity the longer he's been here.
Combine that with the tweets coming out from current and former players in the last few weeks, the guys sitting out becoming the storyline before this game, and there being basically no effort from within to counter any of it in the days and weeks leading to the Peach Bowl...
Fort Schembechler is one thing. This is another. Everything about the program feels off.
December 29th, 2018 at 9:56 PM ^
Brandstatter said in an interview (Drew and Mike Podcast) last week that the reason Michigan Replay is no-more is the high percentage of afternoon at late games. To do Mich Replay as it used to be, you'd have many game days being extended to 2, 3, 4am. Brandstatter's words.
So, that point is a little invalid.