Ohio Police Release Documents Regarding Zach Smith
Coincidentally ONE WEEK after Meyer announcers his retirement.
https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/police-release-thousands-of-docum…
December 12th, 2018 at 7:34 PM ^
Where is Section 1.8 or whatever the fuck to tell us this all lies because he’s an attorney and knows better.
December 12th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^
Heywood JaTroll or whatever his name is has been doing a good job, unless we sufficiently knocked him around yesterday.
December 12th, 2018 at 7:52 PM ^
He hasn’t finished giving John Engler his daily massage with a very happy ending.
December 12th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^
Curious that 11W or TheOZone hasn't reported this.
December 12th, 2018 at 7:56 PM ^
It falls under the osu / sparty narrative “welp, he’s gone now so nothing to see here”
December 12th, 2018 at 10:04 PM ^
I did a mostly hit piece on the toxic culture at OSU to start the season in a diary here.
In short, even the media down there covers things up. Surprised, right? It probably got reported in the Cleveland papers, or will tomorrow, but that's as close as Columbus that is willing to mention anything of possible negative influence to thee ohio state college.
December 12th, 2018 at 7:56 PM ^
I don't really care. Do you?
December 12th, 2018 at 8:26 PM ^
I wouldn't if we'd won.
But we didn't, so moral high ground is a distant second.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:48 PM ^
You missed Putin’s joke. It was very subtle (the same slogan appeared on the back of Melania Trump’s jacket - I think when she went to visit kids separated from their illegal immigrant parents - and it caused a major media uproar).
No politics - just explaining the joke.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:01 PM ^
The detail I'm having a hard time understanding is the part where Zach Smith allegedly texted "I will kill that bitch" to her and there wasn't an immediate criminal investigation. During the investigation, Zach Smith should have been suspended from his job at OSU pending the results of the criminal investigation. This isn't a matter of differing viewpoints, politics or opinion. This is an allegation of a crime (material threat) that should result in a very specific set of things happening (Zach Smith being immediately suspended).
So what happened? Did she not report it to the police? The alleged threat also included more targets, which makes it even worse if she didn't report it to the police.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:45 PM ^
It is not nearly as common as you would think that employers would suspend someone pending an investigation on something that is not related to the job. Yes, some employer would, but plenty don't.
While it seems like a domestic violence threat should lead to a suspension, EEOC guidance on use of arrests states:
The fact of an arrest does not establish that criminal conduct has occurred. Arrests are not proof of criminal conduct. Many arrests do not result in criminal charges, or the charges are dismissed. Even if an individual is charged and subsequently prosecuted, he is presumed innocent unless proven guilty.An arrest, however, may in some circumstances trigger an inquiry into whether the conduct underlying the arrest justifies an adverse employment action. Title VII calls for a fact-based analysis to determine if an exclusionary policy or practice is job related and consistent with business necessity. Therefore, an exclusion based on an arrest, in itself, is not job related and consistent with business necessity.
Another reason for employers not to rely on arrest records is that they may not report the final disposition of the arrest (e.g., not prosecuted, convicted, or acquitted).
Link. The EEOC says it needs to be job-related and consistent with a business necessity to avoid some of the discrimination issues. The Guidance is just that - guidance (and not the law) - but they were pretty aggressively suing on in for a while, and most employer's policies have shifted to avoid a lawsuit on this.
Even if you were going to consider the arrest you'd also have to find out. Many employers simply don't know an employee was arrested unless they are told by the employee - there is not a report that would go out to the employer.
So yes, this was a possible outcome, but it's not a slam dunk at all and definitely not a foregone conclusion that he'd be suspended.
December 13th, 2018 at 11:27 AM ^
The EEOC guidelines on this topic are the most relaxed of any labor related government organization, just to point that out there. Since he was a younger white guy, he really doesn't have much of an EEOC claim for this to be relevant.
Since this guy did have relationship issues with a subordinate (maybe not his subordinate, but still) at work, not a single government agency would have tried to second guess if he had been let go.
December 13th, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^
Not to get too off topic here, but the EEOC spent quite a few years taking these type of innocuous complaints and turning them into pattern and practice claims once they got your policies, race of an individual claimant be damned. I'm speaking from experience on that (as I'm sure you are as well). It obviously has shifted more recently.
I do agree that I doubt it would be an issue if they suspended him. My point was more that that many employers aren't nearly as quick in their responses after a decade of overzealous aggressiveness from the EEOC.
And truthfully, I've seen way too much crazy stuff from gov't agencies in the past decade to say that no agency would touch it... :)
December 12th, 2018 at 8:05 PM ^
OK, I am still trying to wrap my mind around two things:
-First, did that TV station or whoever produced that article hire a mentally challenged 13 year old to write it?
-Second, WHERE IN THE FUCK WAS THIS INFORMATION IN JULY OR AUGUST? Are these people for real with a massive data dump a few days after the scumbag retires? You have got to be kidding me with that backward fucking state. Can you imagine anyone anywhere trying this bull fucking shit? Seriously, if there is any justice in this universe, that fucking football team and the entire school fall off the face of the Earth.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:23 PM ^
Why the Faux outrage, this is THEEEEE ohio we are talking about and the useless state it is in. I am actually surprised it got released at all as I thought that they do have paper shredders in that fine state.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:31 PM ^
Taking your point a step further, I'm shocked the Dispatch of all rags was the one that filed the lawsuit to release the documents.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:22 PM ^
Outside of politicians...no I can't think of anyone trying this bull...
December 12th, 2018 at 10:54 PM ^
You are certainly correct about the writing. It's hard to believe this was published. It's obvious the paper has no writers, but don't they have any editors?
December 13th, 2018 at 4:23 PM ^
sparty and engler would do this in a second to protect themselves.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:07 PM ^
What happened to that OSU insider who insisted that there was "more than meets the eye" to this story and that Zach Smith was secretly the victim?
December 12th, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
The same thing that happened to everyone who had dirt on Hillary Clinton.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:16 PM ^
C'mon man. And we were having such fun playing in this thread.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:36 PM ^
Hey, it could have been worse. At least I didn't bring up politics.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:51 PM ^
I'm assuming that poster was referring to the statements from Courtney Smith's mother/Zach Smith's ex-mother-in-law. That's the only thing I could really think of anyways.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:28 PM ^
I don't mean an OSU troll posting here, but some writer at one of their websites. That guy seemed supremely confident that Smith/Meyer were in the clear.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:09 PM ^
Whole state did what it needed to to protect Meyer.
I’ve said this over and over and I still stand by it. If this had happened under Cooper’s watch, these documents would’ve been released within 24 hours of being written up, and Cooper would’ve been unanimously fired by the BoT and run out of town by the whole fanbase.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:16 PM ^
Urban Meyer is scUM
December 12th, 2018 at 8:18 PM ^
In all seriousness, I do think most of us are not interpreting this timeline correctly.
They didn’t just decide to release this stuff a week after Urbz retired.
He retired because he knew this stuff was coming out this week.
Considering how shitty the state of Ohio was on this sordid mess, I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal had been cut to delay this document dump until after the CFP lineup had been set.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:31 PM ^
I would find this situation to be entirely not surprising. The story did say the information was released due to court order - how convenient the order be served now.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:20 PM ^
If you don’t consider such things as the consequences to a victim of domestic violence, lying to the public and investigators, immorality, etc., etc., when all said and done OSU played getting rid of Meyer unbelievably well. Makes me sick that they get to move on without consequence.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:52 PM ^
Be thankful they didn’t get the “punishment” the NCAA gave OSU in 2011 after Tressel was fired.
Back then, OSU was allowed to hire Meyer as a coach in waiting - going above staffing limits- and allowed him to recruit all that fall making sure OSU didn’t have that typical crappy transitional recruiting class.
If the NCAA had followed that precedent, we might have had Bob Stoops recruiting all fall in anticipation of taking over next year.
December 13th, 2018 at 12:12 AM ^
This is what drives me crazy about them. They get away with everything. From Tressel to Meyer they get rewarded for their sick culture.
December 13th, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^
Not to get too preachy but this is a microcosm of what North American society has become...it’s all about appearances and perceptions if you project as a high class personable entity regardless of fact that is what people will believe...marketing has taken over and most folks lack the ability to be critical thinkers as there is no reward for doing so
December 12th, 2018 at 9:03 PM ^
Bret Mcmurphy should troll them scum bags on Twitter. Yeah urban....your legacy is shit. 2 straight shady coaches in a row.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:28 PM ^
What a monumental surprise. Who would have thought that Urban Meyer was a lying, cheating piece of shit?
But hey, the dude was 7 and 0 against Michigan.
Where is Heywood to tell us all we were wrong? Urban is a saint and poor Zachie was just misunderstood?
Fuck the whole state of Ohio. Cooler pooping, enabling, mouth breathing, sister marrying dregs.
I've hated those assholes since I was 8 years old. This kind of stuff just makes my hate justified. (In my warped old mind anyway).
December 12th, 2018 at 9:42 PM ^
As of right now, there is nothing on ESPN's website about this. Not even a headline stating that documents have been released. Hope they're just waiting for one of their writers to pen something instead of trying to avoid the subject.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:00 PM ^
They must have only released this to the public OUTSIDE of Columbus because 11 Warriors doesn't have a single article on it. But they had ten articles on Daxton Hill decommitting so they must have been kept in the dark.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:28 PM ^
Nothing, I mean NOTHING (besides my family's health and world peace), would make me happier on January 1 than Urban leaving OSU as a loser in the Rose Bowl. Fuck, I want that real bad. Go U-DUB!
December 12th, 2018 at 10:37 PM ^
It is really odd that the OSU troll slappies that are on every other Urban Meyer/Zach Smith threads that have showed up the past 3 months are nowhere to be seen on this one.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:49 PM ^
BTW, OSU, if you want to learn how it is done... read the just released report, a true independent report (the law firm doing the report does not represent any of the parties being investigated) that details how institutions and people enabled Larry Nassar.
Yeah I have a link and such and meant to post a thread today, got busy and will try to do so tomorrow.
December 13th, 2018 at 8:57 AM ^
Who gives a fart about Smith? Nothing that comes out now is going to change anything. All this does is give more fuel to those who want to point fingers. It has nothing to do with winning ball games.
Smith beat his wife, Meyer is gone, meh.
Does that change anything about the total humiliation of this years game? Ha! Ohhhh we lost because Smith beat his wife, yeah right. Or, ohh we lost because Meyer did, or didn't know about it. Don't make me laugh.
Everyone knows why the game was lost and every facet has already been discussed ad nauseum.
So get over it. They are not going to replay the game because of Smith.
December 13th, 2018 at 10:29 AM ^
Smells fishy