Bluey
I do not want to give this guy more oxygen.
this board is nearly unreadable because of his posts. Maybe if everyone stops replying/commenting he will go away? It is useless to try and have a reasonable conversation. I come to this site to read and be entertained on all things U of M related; it is no longer fun.
as I stated earlier, this site needs a ‘mute’ or ‘ignore’ feature. Mods, my guess is people are going to stop coming here if this is not dealt with.
this is just my personal opinion
Hilarious
Bingo. Well stated.
Well said. He also has had some blatantly factually incorrect posts in his rapid-fire defense of everything he says. Add to that the Beilein history and he doesn’t get any sympathy from me.
I actually agree with the overall (high-level) criticism on recruiting, but recognize winning helps so that could change.
Also, he is the perfect example of tone and messaging mattering. Guy’s personality is so abrasive he couldn’t sell a water bottle to someone dying of the thirst in the desert.
Bingo.
Agreed.
Sure but the whole "sky is falling" routine in every recruiting post is just getting redundant.
We get it dude... Not every recruit is a 5* or 4* and other schools are recruiting at a higher rate then we are. So should we make another 47,826 weak-ass posts about it?
If he cares enough to post the same shit over and over, he should care enough to know his message has come across and we're good for a while.
Yeah, he is smart guy, he really nailed it with basketball recruiting. He was right that Beilein couldn’t recruit and the $hitty players that came to Michigan would never do any productive.
the guy is a real savant.
/s for all the @sshats giving him love on this tread.
No one else was down on the program 18 months either, right? Just Maizen. Let me guess, though you always kept the faith. Amazing how short and selective memories are when you have a narrative to protect.
Bluey? Never heard of her.
You never heard of Jackie Blue? The Ozark Mountain Daredevils did a ballad about her. Come to think of it, it was their only hit.
Nope, never heard of Jackie either. Is she related to Benjamin Buford Blue from Bayou la Batre, Louisiana?
Bluey is one of the few realists left on this board. The only people that need to be muted are assholes like yourself who take every thread as an opportunity to complain about him.
Well, I'll be sure to divert some of my attention from bluey for you, Milky.
You seem worthy of some.
And relax the only assholes around here are the fucking idiots who would post something like:
"O great, another three star..." in the middle of a kid's Hello Pos... O right that was you...
ASSHOLE!
You realize we have a finite number of scholarships available, right? Every low-ranked, unimpressive recruit we take means we have one less spot for an elite recruit.
How bad do our recruits have to be for you to finally admit that not all commits are a good thing? Honestly, I kind of wish a paralyzed kid would accept an offer just so that I can watch you twist your brain into a pretzel trying to rationalize how it's good for us.
Why be so sour? When Harbaugh starts winning at a 90% clip like Urban is at OSU, we'll have our pick of 5-stars. We're recruiting on potential because of the program trajectory the past decade, and I trust the coaching staff's judgment in making the most out of that reality.
Oh my precious cupcake :( your parents must have parked a Chinook over your head for the last 13 years; because only the combination of complete sheltering from reality plus being too young to know a damn thing, would excuse that idiotic comparison.
But, since you were stupid enough to bring it up, I'd proudly root for a guy like this:
https://247sports.com/Player/Shaquill-Griffin-18545/
And I'd gladly be part of a decade of 0-12 seasons rooting for a program that cares more about helping young adults become men, than win a single game with the ilk of Aaron Hernandez.
The mythical national championship just isn't that important to me, but the kind of world my kids grow up in is. And they won't grow up like you, that's for sure.
You're pathetic. Go root for Illinois if you like losing so much.
I already do root for the athletes who play sports at Illinois, I root for them to not be injured, especially when Michigan is kicking their arses.
i'm also rooting for you cupcake, maybe one day you'll go out into the real world and learn a little f'n perspective.
Of course, Milk, everyone realizes that.
I'll ask you the similar question to what I've ask Bluey: how does a group of Michigan fans on a blog finally admitting that, "that not all commits are a good thing" have to do with what's actually happening with the program? You speak as if somehow we are the ones making the decisions. Further, do you think that expressing ones discontent with a recruit's commitment and/or the over all state of recruiting in general has an effect on recruiting, and if so, is it positive or negative?
I ask because it seems to me that for people who profess to want the best for the program, and for the program to do better in recruiting, continually and publicly railing against the recruits themselves and to those who have no ability to do anything about it either way, seems irrational. On the one hand is the overall "tone of the fanbase" as perceived by the recruits themselves. Whether you believe that they read or care about what is said in here is irrelevant, it's a public airing of discontent (not to mention insensitive and down right obnoxious) and makes me think of the old British WW1 poster stating, "loose lips sink ships." On the other hand you have a "preaching to choir" situation, but also a "I agree, but what do you want me to do about it?" thing going on.
Maybe and Bluey, should be directing your ire at someone, like the AD or Coach himself, who can actually DO SOMETHING about the problems that you point out. Sure, this is a place for discourse, but at this point I find it hard to believe that it matters so much to you that everyone believes that you believe (because, in reality, what difference would that make anyway?), so I am forced to believe that you, and Bluey, know EXACTLY what you're doing and are nothing more agitators bent upon portraying the fanbase as disgruntled as loudly as publicly as possible because you actually hate Michigan.
You actually believe you’re a better judge of talent than Coach Harbaugh, Mattison, Warriner, Brown, etc.?
Tell me then, why is it that you share your wisdom on this blog and not somewhere making a dime?
Do you honestly think you're a better judge of talent than the entire football staffs of Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida State, Georgia, USC, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington?
Because none of those schools offered our most recent recruit.
Ohio State didn't even show interest in him despite the fact that he's from Columbus. Yet we offered him before he even played his senior season. How is this not alarming to you? How can we hope to beat Ohio State when our players are the guys they didn't even want?
It is funny when long term building project players like Joe Milton and Ronnie Bell get scholarships, there's too many people fawning over them, thinking they're going to have impact right away. And then, when talk of Shea Patterson transferring in comes out, they say he throws too many picks and his presence is causing the sky to in the QB depth chart. Which shows, once again, most people commenting on the internet don't know what they are doing.
And yet you’re giving him more oxygen by posting about him.
Yes, he’s a negative nancy but the internet is full of them, and that’s not going away anytime soon. You don’t like what he posts? Ignore it and move on.
This guy lives rent free in a lot of your kitchens.
As as he says discuss with him instead of just complaining about him. Your complaining about him is as bad as the complaining he does, like this thread.
Guy makes solid points.
"UofM's Recruiting Sucks!" isn't A point, much less points.
A point would be something like this:
"Harbaugh is dropping the ball in recruiting because he spending too much time on spring trips to Rome."
Although, I personally think he's doing great in recruiting by signing guys that think trips to Rome are cool, rather than an unfortunate distraction on the way to NFL $$$$$$. Those are the kind of 18 to 22 year-old players I want my kids rooting for.
Goodness you want to be Northwestern. Let me know when they start charging Northwestern prices please.
Maybe he’s got blue(y) balls. Give him a break.
Translation = "I don't want to hear you because I don't agree with you and I don't like what you're saying."
Nah, nothing dangerous about hearing only those who think and say the same things you do and silencing those who don't. Carry on.
Maybe he's a douchebag who writes crap.... douchebags have their place in this world too. I don't know what exactly for, but I somehow move forward anyway.
This is genuinely a great post. I agree with all of this.
Somewhere we all forgot that differing opinions are a good thing.
This thread is ludicrous.
Agree.... If everyone just ignores him he will go away sooner or later.
Good thread lol.
In all seriousness whether people believe it or not I love UM and want them to succeed badly. But it sucks watching them lose to OSU year after year. It sucks knowing we've gone 14 years without a Big Ten championship. And yet no matter what happens on or off the field it's same tired refrain from this fan base of "we'll be fine." No, this program hasn't been fine in a long time.
When Jim Harbaugh was hired I was over the moon. I thought we finally have our Urban Meyer and Nick Saban. I don't know what happened after 2017 but something changed. He's different on the sideline, different on social media, and his recruiting has fallen off a cliff. People can fight it all they want but you aren't going to win national titles signing a bunch of 3 star recruits. And don't kid yourself he was brought here to win the national championship. The reason I harp on recruiting so much is because it's the lifeblood of a program and right now ours stinks. Every Michigan coach since Bo has been able to fall out of bed and sign top 10 classes. The only time they haven't is in years of a coaching transition. That Harbaugh signed the #21 recruiting class 365 days after playing in an Orange Bowl and having 11 NFL Draft picks is highly concerning. That he's followed that up by a repeat performance this cycle is borderline disastrous. Please spare me the trust the coaches routine. I trust the recruiting rankings because the data overwhelming shows that it correlates to success, both on a macro and micro level. Tell Nick Saban and Urban Meyer that recruiting rankings don't matter. They'll laugh in your face.
I'm going to root like hell for the team this fall (I think we'll be good) and pray that helps land some big timers. But as it stands right now, this program is in deep shit if that doesn't happen and that's the cold hard truth.
Amen. Finally, somebody bringing some realistic views about the program to this board. Thanks for speaking the truth, brother.
Nice try, Msuizen.
Nice try, Msuizen.
Amen. Finally, somebody bringing some realistic views about the program to this board. Thanks for speaking the truth, brother.
This is a pretty good response. Honestly, man, if you refrained from the Trumpian style, you'd have just as much to say and wouldn't get all the blowback. Drop the MRGA schtick, admit it when you've blown calls, and you'll find people will have normal conversations.
A lot of us aren't just saying "trust the coaches." Some are, sure, but there's a key here: Patience is needed.
Not, "it'll all work out eventually" patience, but, "wait for results this year" type patience. As I've said repeatedly, Michigan needs to win significantly this fall. The situation is not going to change until that changes. Whatever the reason (people who pretend to know are usually wrong, like when people were making assumptions about Beilein's recruiting) Michigan isn't in on top guys. "More effort" won't change that, winning will.
So the continued griping doesn't really serve any purpose. Michigan's recruiting is what it is right now. They're going to get marginal 3-4 types with maybe the occasional blue chip, rather than all blue chips. It's not somehow breaking news that the talent level currently on the board is a bit low. If Michigan pushes out another 8-5 type season, it's going to stay that way and we're looking at a dark future, regardless of the perceived "effort" of the coaches.
But, put up something like 11-1 with a win at OSU and then whatever postseason permutations come to pass, and the top-100 types start taking us seriously again. The recruiting news in November and December and of course January becomes really pivotal, and a commit or lack thereof becomes newsworthy, because there's new data.
Right now the shine is off of the program and it's recruiting like it. It's up to the 2018 team to put the shine back on.
All fair points.
I'd also like to add one thing, I don't hate all 3 stars. In fact I think many of the ones Harbaugh has gotten can be quite good (put me down for being excited about guys like Schoonmaker, Barrett, Upshaw, VanSumeren, Gemon Green, Ojabo, Q Johnson, Barnhart, Dicsosmo, etc). But I think the staff has reached on several guys (Velazquez, Stewart, Newburg, and Bell come to mind) and have missed on too much blue chip talent. You can't sign a class with zero top 100 kids. You can't sign a class that is mostly 3 star players. There's no way you are going to beat the Bama's and Georgia's and OSU's of the world recruiting like that. Even if you are able to somehow win the B1G, you are going to get shellacked in the CFP MSU style.
Maybe I'll end up being wrong. There was a time I thought Beilein would never devote the time, energy, and resources to things like defense and recruiting to have a good team on an annual basis. Took him some time but he finally adapted and proved me wrong. Couldn't be happier about it. I hope Harbaugh does the same.
If most of your posts were like this not many people would have an issue with you. Most on this board can handle and discuss negative information about the program,
Bluey,
Thus is the best, most reasonable post of yours that I’ve read. This is a tone that will promote discussion (I think that’s what you’re looking for?), and stem the slanderous responses you’ve been getting. I think most of us agree with what you’re saying, honestly because it’s pretty obvious Michigan isn’t recruiting at a Bama/OSU level. The confrontational style of your posts is what gets old and isn’t wanted or needed on this board.
I believe many of us share your concern for this season. There's a ton riding on it. The immediate future of the program may very well depend on how well 2018 goes.
However, we get it. Stop beating us over the head with it day in and day out. It was it is until things change for the better. There's nothing any of us can do outside of standing on the diag, protesting for Harbaugh to be fired and that's just fucking ludicrous.
We have the coaches. We have the facilities. We have the history. We have the team to do it this year. What else can we, as fans, ask for? The thing about sports is, unless you're playing, you're watching (and praying) that things go our way. When it doesn't, complaining, hand wringing, and bitching allows us to vent but little else.
So, my point is, I'd rather cheer on these 3 star kids than tear them the fuck apart on a message board. I'd rather be optimistic. I'd rather compare our stats to Clemson because Clemson shows 3 stars can get it done. I'm generally a glass half empty kinda guy myself, but damn dude, I don't feel like bitching about my favorite program every day. I don't care to listen to it every day either, especially on a "fan" message board.
You need to do what I’ve done...realize this program is snakebit and cursed and stop giving a fuck or expecting good things. Then you can be pleasantly surprised if they ever do anything noteworthy in the future.
We get it.
Can you add anything else?
Do you have even a speck of an idea why?
What can we, as fans, do to help turn it around?
Plus, you do at least accept that there's plenty of talent THIS YEAR in the two-deep, Dline rotation and WR core that a successful season is a great possibility?
Not to mention, you could just be wrong and Harbaugh is recruiting EXACTLY as he should be.
And you should just be a "fan" of another team, one that has a better "championship to time investment ratio".
See, if you actually acted this way all the time people would respond to you better. But it's also wildly misleading to suddenly show some moderation after doing things like shit on kids when they commit, which you've done a bunch of times. You may love Michigan (I think you like a winner, and for a long time that's been Michigan), but it feels legit your feelings. But you have a really weird tact for trying to convey that.
Bluey,
Thank you for finally stating your position, somewhat. I don't think anybody really disagrees with the facts that you post, but with the conclusions that you draw, and (most importantly) with the motivation behind the expression of those conclusions. You're obviously entitled to your opinions, and although I disagree with many of them, I do understand why you're so focused on recruiting. What I don't understand, however, and have asked you repeatedly (politely, with no response), is what is it that you're trying to accomplish by always jumping to point this out? My concern is you take data (opinion free recruiting facts), form an opinion (not fact) about that data, and then extrapolate yet another opinion about the future outcome that have yet to come to pass -- in this case, Michigan is recruiting some 3*'s, this sucks and should be better, and as such, Michigan will NEVER win anything.
For example, just above you closed with, "But as it stands right now, this program is in deep shit if that [landing more elite recruits] doesn't happen and that's the cold hard truth." This sentence perfectly displays what I am talking about. There are no qualifiers like, "I believe ... " or "in my opinion ..." that open a discussion, and then to make matters worse, you end with "... and that's the cold hard truth." No, Bluey, it is most definitely NOT the cold hard truth. It is merely an opinion. Again, you're entitled to it, and I think many in here would be willing to debate/discuss that opinion with you, but that doesn't seem to be what you want from this medium, at least not in my opinion based upon what I've seen.
There have been plenty of other posters who come in continually wringing their proverbial hands and expressing their concern for how things are going. But, usually, they are looking/hoping to hear from some of the more informed insiders to quell their fears. Your posts have a different feel entirely, IMO, which is why I keep asking about your motivation. If others are asked why they keep bring up their concerns, they usually say something to the effect of, "because I am scared the program that I love is NEVER going to make it back to national prominence again e because ..." You say you love Michigan, and want us to be the best, but the way you continually state that it's NEVER going to get better. Add to that this obsession with Harbaugh's salary and I cannot help but question your motivation.
What is it that you're trying to do when you post, because it feels to me that you have an agenda, you just never come out and state it. Please don't say, "for Michigan to get better ..." Although that might be the ultimate desire, there is something else that you want, something that you believe is standing in the way of Michigan attaining the success you want. You said you were "over the moon" when Harbaugh was hired, as was I and most everyone. But, now it's seems you're hellbent upon building a case against him. I don't know if I can recall you every pointing out something he's done that you like, or agree with, or that you think will contribute to Michigan's success. For me, and perhaps others, it's becoming a bit transparent, which is why when I respond to you I don't debate the facts you raise, but your motivation.
Why not just cut the pretense and come out and say what you're tap dancing around; that you want Harbaugh fired? If that truly isn't your motivation, I have to ask -- again -- what positive effect do you think your posting patterns could possibly have on the situation?
Perhaps my biggest issue is the focus is solely recruiting. Michigan did not lose to OSU, MSU, or Wisconsin because of recruiting. Michigan lost to those teams because they did not execute when they needed to. They did not pick up a first down late in a game, or they fumbled (2 MSU & USC).
This is the area Michigan has to be better. They need to make the handful of plays which decide a game. If they do this, and that is a big if, then they will have a very successful season. Going on the road and winning a meaningful game. These are some areas in which one can and perhaps should be critical. But to have sift through post after post about Bama...5*...recruiting rankings is downright exhausting. Shit, I live in this horrible state. I hear about Bama football 20 times a day. Let me tell you, it gets old quickly.
i love having football conversations. Conversation where there is give and take. Not a pissing contest to prove who is right. It should not be about that. Give and take; I can assure you that all of us can learn from some of the really smart guys on this board.
Go back to the Iowa game. Sure they played poorly, but they still had the ball late in the game with the lead. It is times like these when everyone in the stadium knows a run is coming and you still run the ball to pick up the first down and ice the game. This is called execution. Simply put, out execute the opponent.
I don't think that it's all or nothing like you seem to think it is. You can criticize Harbaugh for what he's done or not done, the same as criticizing Beilein a few years before, and still love the school and its programs.
TL:DR
TB:DR (too bluey)
Give us mute!
My two cents is that for the most part posters aren't annoyed by someone saying 'crootin isn't good or that Harbaugh should be doing better. It's the incessant and grating nature of the Maizen/Bluey playbook: 1) say the exact same thing every time a 3 star is mentioned, 2) shout up and down the thread at people who disagree or are annoyed by the schtick. It's probably trolling but if not it's just spam.