[West] Standings- Thanks a lot, Brutus.
| Michigan | 2-0 | 58 | 0 | 6-0 | 228 | 75 | W6 |
| Michigan State | 1-0 | 10 | 7 | 4-1 | 140 | 51 | W2 |
| Nebraska | 1-1 | 17 | 48 | 5-1 | 222 | 163 | W1 |
| Iowa | 0-1 | 3 | 13 | 3-2 | 154 | 108 | L1 |
| Northwestern | 0-2 | 35 | 38 | 2-3 | 139 | 139 | L3 |
| Minnesota | 0-2 | 17 | 103 | 1-5 | 108 | 210 | L3 |
[West] Division Standings updated above. Anyone not understanding why you should have been rooting for the Buckeyes the last 2 weeks? They are the ONLY team to have supplied non-M victories to the ENTIRE [West] Division.
October 9th, 2011 at 7:03 PM ^
You are crossing the line Isaac. What Justin said wasn't the least bit offensive. He simply stated that he didn't understand why anyone wouldn't root for Ohio in these games. You went on to question the fandom of those that disagreed with your sentiment.
Furthermore, i think it's fair to say that you are the one that doesn't "get it". Obviously every person that is reading this wants Michigan to take care of their own business. However I, and I can only speak for myself, don't mind hedging my bets by hoping that the teams that are in our division lose to whomever they're playing.
Red Sox fans were cheering their hearts out for the Yankees in their final regular season series against the Rays. Does that make them any less of a Red Sox fan? Me thinks not.
October 10th, 2011 at 9:15 AM ^
because i effing hate tsio and we will take care of nebraska anyway. also, i guess i don't yet really accept the legitimacy of the divisions. we're clearly the best team in our division and will not need any help from anyone, at least this season.
October 9th, 2011 at 3:54 PM ^
it won't matter. If we don't win, then we shouldn't be ahead of the teams we lose to anyway. If OSU loses, I smile and dance and laugh and sing gleefully.
Therefore, I want OSU to lose. Today. Tomorrow. Forever. I want Troy Smith's great grandchildren to never guess correctly when flipping a coin, and wonder why it is they have such bad luck.
October 9th, 2011 at 4:35 PM ^
October 9th, 2011 at 4:54 PM ^
I want OSU to lose. Today. Tomorrow. Forever.
This should be emblazoned on a gold plaque and proudly displayed over the door to the "mancave" of every Michigan fan in the world.
October 9th, 2011 at 5:28 PM ^
Thank you for getting it
October 9th, 2011 at 4:19 PM ^
I'll gladly take a tougher division race to see buckeye nation get dong punched every week
October 9th, 2011 at 4:03 PM ^
October 9th, 2011 at 4:04 PM ^
I don't care. I love seeing OSU lose. Unless I knew for a fact that Michigan would win the division if Ohio State won a particular game, I could never root for OSU. At this point, it is way too speculative and Michigan has way to many games in front of them to start thinking about winning the division. None bigger than the one coming up.
It also really helps from a recruiting stand point. We are finally starting to have success against OSU head-to-head in their state. If they have a couple rough years, we could potentially take over Ohio recruiting.
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October 9th, 2011 at 4:16 PM ^
off subject, but here is the post game video from Hoke and players after lasts nights win. I dont have enough points to start a thread, so here ya go.
Brady Hoke - http://www.mgoblue.com/allaccess/?media=269335
October 9th, 2011 at 4:21 PM ^
It doesn't matter what happens in the other games if we win all of ours.
October 9th, 2011 at 4:24 PM ^
Fuck Ohio. You know what helps us win our division? Winning our division games. I'm not going to cheer for the Buckeyes to beat MSU or Nebraska, because I plan on Michigan beating them. If that doesn't happen, we don't deserve to go to Indy. Period.
October 9th, 2011 at 4:24 PM ^
Champaign problems. If you had told me before the season that we were having trouble winning our division because all of the other teams were racking up wins against OSU, who was experiencing excruciating losses week after week, I would not have complained.
October 10th, 2011 at 9:20 AM ^
at first i thought you meant the game against illinois...
October 9th, 2011 at 4:25 PM ^
I will Never root for those bastards. Thats like asking them for a favor. We need to earn it. If we need to root for Ohio to gain something, im out.
October 9th, 2011 at 4:29 PM ^
M will just has to beat the crap out of State and Nebraska then.
October 9th, 2011 at 4:42 PM ^
I don't care what the win means to them or to us, just....no. Never.
October 9th, 2011 at 4:45 PM ^
My head understands exactly what you mean. It totally helps Michigan if OSU wins games against teams in our division. That is a simple and plain fact.
My heart, however, sees that it is OSU and tells my head to STFU. Last night, my poor brain was already loosing a battle with pre- during and post-NW game beer consumption. It had no defense to my OSU-hate filled heart. So, I watched and laughed as OSU continues to get exactly what it deserves.
There is no logic to it. It just is.
October 9th, 2011 at 5:47 PM ^
I'll root for OSU if their win would definitely help Michigan's chances of making it to the B1G championship game. As in the week before The Game, Michigan is 5-2 and OSU is playing Nebraska who is 4-2 with a win over Michigan and plays Indiana the following week. In that scenario OSU has to beat Nebraska and then we get to curb stomp OSU to make it to the championship game.
October 9th, 2011 at 5:54 PM ^
but when did they lose 17-103 ?
| Michigan | 2-0 | 58 | 0 | 6-0 | 228 | 75 | W6 |
| Michigan State | 1-0 | 10 | 7 | 4-1 | 140 | 51 | W2 |
| Nebraska | 1-1 | 17 | 48 | 5-1 | 222 | 163 | W1 |
| Iowa | 0-1 | 3 | 13 | 3-2 | 154 | 108 | L1 |
| Northwestern | 0-2 | 35 | 38 | 2-3 | 139 | 139 | L3 |
| Minnesota | 0-2 | 17 | 103 | 1-5 | 108 | 210 | L3 |
October 9th, 2011 at 5:58 PM ^
Looks like scoring in the B1G games, and wasn't updated for the night games.
October 9th, 2011 at 6:41 PM ^
Cumulative scoring for their two B1G games.
58-0 (against UM) and 45-17 (against Purdue) == 103 allowed and 17 forced
October 9th, 2011 at 6:11 PM ^
because if we would have rooted for OH*, it might have had an impact on the game!!!
Down with Ohio*!
October 9th, 2011 at 6:59 PM ^
rooting for OSU in any event for any reason. I have gotten over my absolute hatred of Miami (YTM) and nowthere is no school on any day or night, game or match where I would even consider rooting for Ohio.
In my lifetime, it will not happen. I understand The Rivalry needs OSU and Michigan to be good. The problem is that if Michigan and OSU have identical records, the media will see OSU as better and they will considered to to be "better."
Michigan does not cheat or lie or deceive to get an advantage. We recruit and play by the rules. OSU is a 'win-at-all-costs' program. If they became India or Minnesota for the next decade I'm OK with that. I see Nebraska becoming a strong rival with the divisions set up as they are.
And as much as I hate to says it, Dantonio is building a decent program in EL and they will not be a pushover as long as he is there it seems.
October 9th, 2011 at 7:02 PM ^
I know at least a half dozen fans from my college days. That was during the Cooper years, and even in those years, when we owned them, the Ohio fans were insufferable. I detest Ohio because of the their fans. I will never root for Ohio fans to be able to say their team won.
With all the crap they have going on this season, I had to listen to them brag wildly during the first half of their game with Nebraska. Being able to tell them to shut the hell up after the game, was almost better than Michigan's win this week over Northwestern.
Like people have already noted. If Michigan deserves to win their division they will. Michigan has to handle its own business. That way we don't have to worry about what Ohio is doing.
October 9th, 2011 at 7:12 PM ^
October 9th, 2011 at 7:27 PM ^
for Michigan to control. The only time Michigan can control the outcome of an Ohio game is when they play. The rest of the time I root against them, just as I do against MSU and ND.
I know you're supposed to root for the conference to do well, but when it comes to osu I cannot. I do root for MSU in bowl games and in the basketball tournament when Michigan is not playing them, but other than they can always lose. If ND lost every game they play in every sport for eternity I would be happy, the same with OSU. I can't tru;y justify it, that is just the way I see it.
October 9th, 2011 at 7:32 PM ^
the other teams in our division lose games within the division, losing to the Leaders helps, but is not as meraningful as losing within the division. If osu wins all their divison games and is tied in overal league record then they would represent the Leaders Division in the championship game. The losses to msu and Neb. wouldn't mean as much. OSU losing to Nebraska ia a double "good". They lose in the division and they...well...lose.
If Michgan takes care of it's business, like we all hope then rooting for osu and msu to always lose is perfectly fine.
October 9th, 2011 at 7:43 PM ^
There's a thread on their message board titled "Bauserman quit the team or die!". Then there's another thread with the title "How stupid is the ohio state fanbase?" and in that he goes on to tell of some of the embarssing things he heard on the radio today and mentions the bauserman thread.
Someone else tries to defend their stupidity by saying "It's because we are the biggest and most passionate fanbases in college football..."
October 9th, 2011 at 8:45 PM ^
Brutus says, "What a conference! We can beat Michigan by losing!
October 9th, 2011 at 9:18 PM ^
I know that this has been touched on before, but Michigan competes with Ohio State for recruits. If they lose, we're in their state, stealin their doodz. Also, Ohio State losing usually means that Ohio State is not a very good team, also a good thing for Michigan Michigan desperately, desperately needs a win over Ohio State. The last time that we won was before the existence of MGoBlog! So I root against Ohio State. It's a lot more important to me that Michigan beat Ohio State than win the legends title. I'm a senior at Michigan and I've never had a chance to see Ann Arbor when the good guys win. I don't want to miss it when it happens. So I welcome every crushing defeat of Ohio State as a sign of hope, as a possible way for Michigan to do what it hasn't been able to do in eight long years.
Also, the more OSU loses, the more Hoke will change the tide of the rivalry and sell Michigan jerseys in Ohio.
October 9th, 2011 at 9:40 PM ^
"The last time that we won was before the existence of MGoBlog!"
Wow, that's quite a perspective. There have never been Ohio State Muppets.
That can not stand. Ohio State Muppets must be a moral imperative for Hoke, Borges, and Mattison.
October 9th, 2011 at 9:35 PM ^
There have been years in the past where I have rooted for OSU for tactical reasons to beat a team that was ahead of us in the Big Ten. There will be years in the future where I will need to do it again.
But this year, my focus is strategic. The OSU program is a breath away from total implosion. Every loss gets closer to the balloon poping. In the meantime, Michigan is ascending back to elite status.
We need Ohio State to get to such a state of hopeless disarray that recruits like Dunn don't even think twice.
October 9th, 2011 at 10:09 PM ^
why people get happier and happier as OSU implodes more and more. Don't get me wrong, Oh how I HATE, Ohio State... but a good OSU program helps out the Mich program, as well as the entire B1G. I wish none of this crap ever happened to Ohio. I would still hate em just as much whether they did everything perfectly behind the scenes or not. I want to see them be powerful program... that gets overpowered by Michigan :P I'd rather beat them vs Pryor & Co. as a dog this year then beat an anemic, depleated Ohio squad.
neg me if you want... but the Buckeyes being a doormat combined with continual off the field probs is not what a Mich fan should want.
October 10th, 2011 at 10:48 AM ^
Some of the sweetest victories in the Cooper era were when Ohio was highly ranked, came into the game as favorites and we took it to them. It is not good for the conference, the rivalry or ultimately us if they stink for long. I still hurt from the '06 loss, but that circumstances going into that game were epic. It wouldn't have been nearly as much fun if Ohio was 3-8 coming in. Admittedly, In the short run watching Ohio flounder is fun.
As far as the "it helps us in recruiting if they are bad" argument. That again, is short term. If they are bad long term, either the conference is weakeened and premier recruits will be more likely to go to more competive conferences or another team rises in the conference. If another team rises, then we are battling that new team for the recruits. That is, from a recruiting standpoint, you trade Ohio for someone else.
October 10th, 2011 at 8:47 AM ^
It's early in the Big Ten season, there are plenty of opportunities to hope for Sparty and New Corney defeats. But the pure joy of watching the nuts' collective head exploding is just too much fun -- throw in some NCAA sanctions and a poor coaching hire, and we could be looking at at least a half decade of dominance on the field and in recruiting. This will lead to our long-term, sustained success.
Yep, we may very well lose 2 Big Ten games this year (see first half of most games against serious opponents this year), and while we also have a chance to win this thing on the field, we may need some help. So, cheer for Wisky against Sparty and expect a classic Sparty collapse at Iowa or Northwestern. If we beat Nebraska, then they have two loses and we've got the tiebraker. So, we can trip up against an Iowa or Illinois.
October 9th, 2011 at 9:38 PM ^
it doesn't matter if osu beats them. we play msu and neb. if we beat everyone in our division it doesn't matter. Also I live in Ohio and will NEVER want osu to win anything.
October 9th, 2011 at 9:41 PM ^
I always cheer for OSU to lose. By a lot. As in, if they lost 100-0, I would wonder why the opposing coach didn't run up the score more. They can never be embarrassed enough after the hypocrisy of the last few months and the cheating coming out from down South.
October 9th, 2011 at 10:07 PM ^
We can probably let this go now - tsio has 5 divisional games, which don't affect us and 3 crossovers - us and the last two weeks which are in the past now - we all can now move on to routing for them to lose the rest of their games - we can then restart the should we rout for tsio in about 50 weeks from now.
October 9th, 2011 at 10:18 PM ^
Fine.
But let's see how October shakes out. Nothing worse than beating teams like Minnesota and Northwestern and then thinking about bowl games and division titles. The easiest part of Michigan's schedule is in the rearview mirror. Now things get interesting.
Other than Purdue at home, none of these upcoming games strike me as a walk in the park.
But the splitting of the league doesn't change anything. If you keep winning in Big Ten play, then you control your own destiny.
at MSU
Purdue
at Iowa
at Illinois
Nebraska
Derp State
October 9th, 2011 at 10:22 PM ^
Does it really matter who I "root" for? As I sit on my couch and enjoy the feeling I get as I watch Ohio lose for the second week in a row, am I sending some cosmic force thru my tv, lifting Nebraska to victory? Are my good vibes pushing them over the top? Don't think so. My friends from Ohio and the few of my relatives that are sparties are some of the most annoying fans in the world. When they win, I have to hear about how amazing they are ad nauseum. My life is much better and less annoying when they lose. Besides, I didn't expect Michigan to be competing for a division, let alone a B1G title this year, so as long as they keep winning and the rival's schadenfreude continues, the rest is just gravy.
October 9th, 2011 at 10:42 PM ^
Michigan controls its fate. Beat MSU and the division goes through AA.
October 10th, 2011 at 11:00 AM ^
Technically, at this point anybody in our division with less than two conference losses controls their own fate. That includes, M, MSU, UNL and Iowa. As you point out, the winner of the M-MSU tilt continues to control its own fate, but UNL and Iowa will also continue to control their own fate until they lose again in conference.
October 9th, 2011 at 11:14 PM ^
These "you should/shouldn't be rooting for OSU" threads are ridiculous and tiresome. It matters not who/what you root for. It has no effect on anything. If you prefer that OSU loses, fine. If you prefer they win, fine. There are logical reasons for both situations. At the end of the day, Michigan should be deciding their own fate. If we back into a title game, I'll be happy but not satisfied. I'd rather be that than unhappy, sure, but I'd really rather be satisfied that Michigan took care of its own business.
October 9th, 2011 at 11:37 PM ^
You can cheer for Brutus all you want, but I won't until it is absolutely neccessary. The "reasons" people are giving right now are conjecture and dependent upon a lot of "ifs" that may or may not happen.
I want to see their program collapse into a black hole and get lost for at least five years. That requires them losing. And that will benefit Michigan much more than maybe getting to the B1G Championship Game a year early.
October 10th, 2011 at 9:10 AM ^
you never root for tsio. the divisions be damned. if you noticed, we are alone atop the division without their unwanted help. we are succeeding just fine, we don't need help from them.