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|15 weeks 1 day ago||This. EVERYONE knows that you||
This. EVERYONE knows that you always watch the extra guy. He is either going to punch you or distract you so the other guy can punch you. Well everyone except the guy in this video anyway. Jones could have also been clearing space between him and the kid who got punched in case the kid swung first too.
Here is a tip MGoCommunity: if any kind of dispute breaks out don't let anyone you do not know to be an ally within an arm and a half reach of you. Heed above advice and watch for the sucker punch. If you are trying to deescalate the situation then keep your guard up at all times until you are clear. Especially when walking away. I just saved you from getting knocked out. This also works for the knockout game too except then you will be approached relatively quickly. You're welcome.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||Thank you I was not. I was||
Thank you I was not. I was trying to say that you do not know how the other person feels or is going to react so that is why you should be careful. The person could be off their meds, had a terrible day, high off drugs, generally violent, or someone who has told themselves that the next person who does something to them is going to pay.
What I did not so eloquently communicate is that initially when things like this started in Ann Arbor I perceived the threat to be the same as it is in Detroit. In Detroit if someone is talking shit it is generally because they are ready to do SOMETHING. If they were not then they would not waste their time and energy arguing. What are they prepared to do? I don't know. Maybe it's sucker punch me, jump me, stab me, go to the car and come back and shoot me. Folks get beat down or killed for small and big things alike. So as soon as you reach a certain level of shit talk (threat or voice raising or insult) I better drop you before you drop me. I soon realized that the vast majority of these tough guys are not really about to do anything. There actually was no serious threat. So I adjusted my perception and thus my reaction. And since I knew that because they were not a real threat my reaction would be perceived as unreasonable I began to ignore them. York has not been around long enough to learn that. Not to mention unlike punching or even jumping someone who understands that subculture this kid is going to call the police. Not even worth the trouble with either the person who may shoot me or the guy who doesn't even think it is fightin' time but is going to call the police. Unless it is... But it is almost always not worth it because you never know what is going to happen.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||Say what you want but it is what it is||
Not everyone has the same ideas and values that you have. There is a real world out here and real stuff happens. If you are stupid enough to engage in an altercation with a complete stranger then you open yourself up to all of the possible reactions. Which is specifically why I don't get into disputes with strangers. And particularly reflecting on my time in A2: when I realized that the kids starting stuff didn't fully realize that things could really get physical in real life without warning I found it pointless to engage with them on that level. Kind of like you.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||A lot of you must talk shit at bars...||
I think this should be allowed to play out, but a lot of you sound like the guys I went to Michigan with. Talk a bunch of shit to someone and then are surprised when they kick your ass. Now you are a victim. I don't know where York is from but I am from Detroit. If I am talking shit to someone or vice versa... Hell even if I am not, I do not let a stranger get too close to me. But ESPECIALLY if I was just talking shit. In my experience in A2 folks talk shit and then think there is supposed to be an argument and maybe some pushing MAYBE some wrestling around. The kid who got punched also learned a pretty good lesson. Not that I support York's punch. I don't know the entire situation. Video looks bad. Just offering a different perspective. Where I am from you don't talk shit if you are not ready to go. And dude leaned in and said something to Jones. Not sure what. But then had his hands in his pocket like it was all good. Some stuff is not to be let slide. I let a LOT of stuff slide in Ann Arbor that I could not have let slide in Detroit lest I want to be a target because folks thought I was soft. But people thinking this is the knockout game or something like that don't have the right set of lenses on. The knockout game set up doesn't look like that. Looks like someone was surprised shit got real to me. And for that reason, because you can get your jaw broken or killed you should be careful who you start shit with. Their levels of provocation may be different than yours and you can't bitch that their medium is your high.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Yup. Sold.||
Translation: I know next to nothing about golf but put up $5 for the digital copy. Guys like me are those that might actually win.. wouldn't that be sweet!
|26 weeks 6 days ago||2, 2 comments ah ah ah|
|26 weeks 6 days ago||I don't know why this continues to mystify||
I haven't actually logged into MGoBlog in over 3 years though I read it several times each day. But I reset my password just to comment on this. Disclaimer: No, I do not specifically know Hoke's recruiting policy. However, based on all comments and the goings-on the past several years it seems really quite simple: Once a recruit commits, Michigan tells other kids at that position the inn is full. That has seemed clear with a number of positions. If you want to take visits, Michigan considers your spot open. You can still be a recruit, but they are also going to recruit your position.
Now, this is a different situation for your average 5 star than a 3 star. Why? Common sense, 5 star is harder to replace. So if he wants to recommit versus us signing a high 3, we'll probably take him since we likley won't have another 5 star chomping at the bit that we wouldn't have already taken (except maybe at QB). By the time the 3 star goes on his visits and decides to recommit, we'll probably have another 3 star or better already committed. Or maybe we're in on someone we consider more talented and they are now the 1A priority. Because remember, we were telling other guys that the inn was full because the decommit was committed. So when the spot opens back up, they'll likely take it. Chances are if there were multiple 5 stars at a position, we'd take them both so the 'inn is full" probably wouldn't be an issue. IMO, it's that simple. 3 and 4 star guys are generally easier to replace than a 5 star guy. So if they want to take visits, chances are their spot will not have been filled by an equally or more talented guy. And if it is, then perhaps we'll make room rather than turn down highly rated talent: i.e. what was that 2012 when we took all of those linebackers?
Several edits for clarity. I know there is some unofficial comment editing policy but whateva
|3 years 36 weeks ago||I see your general point||
I see your general point though I don't know if I'd go as far as calling it an Asian school. I had this conversation with a lady friend of mine who went to Mizzou for undergrad and we looked up their numbers. 81.4% White currently. Back in 02/03 it was more like 87%. Now THAT is a "White school"!
I would have thought their were more Asians on campus at Michigan than 11%, but perhaps it seems that way because no other group even comes close to that number. Not to mention, there are 12.6% non-resident Aliens and I would guess that at least a few of those are of Asian decent as well. When the next largest minority group is 4.2%, that certainly affects the perception. By contrast, Mizzou currently has 7.2% African Americans and only 2% Asians. The girl I was talking to is Black and she was surprised it was only 7.2%. She said it felt like there were tons of Black people. Maybe that is attributed to them being the largest nonwhite group like the Asians are at Michigan.
|3 years 36 weeks ago||@Happy Shooter and BlueintheFace||
Happy Shooter has obviously had a negative experience at best tangentially related to my point. I think Blueintheface started to explain it but let me just break it down:
1. People in this thread have taken exception to the author of the article calling Michigan a "White school."
2. I thought it was funny that people would think that Michigan is anything other than a White school, seeing as how over 60% of the student body is White and the mainstream culture, campus and activities are all geared towards things most likely to interest a White person.
3. I realize that the connotation of calling a school a "white" school may offend some people, but the reality is the reality. Everyone else at Michigan is a minority by a large margin, with Asians making up the largest group with 11% of the student body. And if we are specifically talking about African Americans, I'm too lazy to look up Ann Arbor, but I'd imagine that the communities surrounding the school are 90+% White until you get 10 minutes down Packard or out toward Ypsi.
IMO, it doesn't take away from the efforts of the University or the students and student groups therein. For me, going to Michigan was a HUGE culture shock. And I love Michigan because through it all I felt that Michigan loved me back. My White counterparts weren't always as welcoming as I would have liked, but the world isn't a cuddly friendly place. Not to mention, more than the difference in pigmentation was the difference in culture. I'm sure seeing me in Jordans, Girbauds and big jewelry was just as much of a shock for some of the students as it was for me to see everyone with Starbucks cups, Uggs, Northface jackets, thong sandals and cargo pants. As I grew as a person and a member of the community, my experience changed. I look in my closet and literally lol at some of the things I used to wear. But it was all part of my learning process and I love Ann Arbor and Michigan for helping and allowing me to grow. IMO, calling Michigan a White school should offend the non-white students more than the White students/alums. I say that only because it effectively leaves us out of the equation. But then again, a person of the majority culture may not realize just how dominant their culture is because they don't think of their culture as the other. Imagine living in mexicantown as a White person. For a minority, that is how Ann Arbor and Michigan are if they didn't grow up in majority culture except much larger. I agree that the terms "majority institution" or "predominately white school" are more PC, but really, they all mean the same thing as "white school."
I've enjoyed the discussion. One thing I love about MGoBlog is the intelligence of the community and the ability to have all kinds of discussions. As I said before, I've been reading for years, just never commented.
|3 years 36 weeks ago||That's an interesting||
That's an interesting perspective, although I'd trade 11% plus however much of the 12.6% non resident aliens that the Asians have enrolled over 4.2% any day. I'm sure Ann Arbor kicks super major ass on average for a Caucasian person. I was just giving things from my eyes. The fact is that in America, it is a White person's world and the rest of us are trying to find our way in it. You may have china town, mexicantown, Dearborn or whatever ethnic/racial subculture but when you walk into corporate or leave your neighborhood you join the majority culture. It is what it is. (all far away from the original point of just saying that Michigan is indeed a predominately White University, albeit the best one. Though I am admittedly biased.)
|3 years 36 weeks ago||@Happy Shooter||
A little reading comprehension will go a long way. You clearly saw one to four words mentioned in my comment and went to west hell with them. There is a forest if you stop staring at that old sap. I won't even entertain the rest of your comments.
|3 years 36 weeks ago||I'm not sure why Mr. Rhoden's||
I'm not sure why Mr. Rhoden's education background is, but the majority of HBCU's were founded by white people. So let's not forget that fact.
Perhaps we also ought not forget the historical context either. Howard University, for example, was founded in 1866. Emancipation Proclamation was 1865 and the Civil Rights Movement didn't begin until 1948, Brown v. Board of Ed was 1954. The March on Selma wasn't until 1965 and the Voting Rights Act was 71 IIRC. Exactly how would a Black person have founded a College in this country without help from a full citizen in 18anything? Or most of the 1900s for that matter. I, for example am the first person BORN with all of the rights and privileges of being an American citizen in my family. My dad was born in 52, my mom in 61. King was assassinated in 68. Civil rights Movement ended shortly thereafter but at least a great deal of the work had been done by then so that the next person born, me, would be born into the benefits. Funny enough, I almost missed affirmative action in the state of Michigan.
Just as an aside, I think that sometimes people take inner-group pride as a slight at an out-group. The Civil Rights Movement, for example could not have been successful without people of all "races" and faiths and other categories coming together for a common purpose. But at the end of the day, although I am glad they didn't, a White person has the option of always going back to being White whether they exercise it or not. And believe it or not, there are people smarter than us (I know, lolz) who have reached conclusion backed by scientific studies and data that integration was actually a bad thing. Some of those arguments center on things like the Fab 5 going to Michigan instead of say Grambling. Or, for example if Thurgood Marshall were born today I doubt he would have gone to Howard. He likely would have looked at the U.S. News Rankings like I did, and went to the highest ranked school he could get into. I got into Howard #121 (formerly tier 3) and the school I ultimately chose, Wash U #18. For undergrad I was choosing between Michigan and Morehouse (one of the most prominent HBCUs). I was working at Arby's in Royal Oak and asked customers which I should choose. They had no idea what Morehouse was. I chose Michigan. The point is most of our best talent is not being funneled back into our community. And I can definitely see a problem with that. But that gets way off sports and into a different conversation. Heck, a lot of times, as illustrated by the angry alum/fan letters in the fab 5 documentary, many part of the community of the institutions we help build hate us. Kind of like an uncle who molested you but paid your college tuition.
|3 years 36 weeks ago||Michigan IS a "White" School||
I have read this blog for many years and never really felt the need to comment. But the comments to this article (that I haven't read yet) are funny. I created an account to say this:
If you think that Michigan is not a "White" school, I'd bet dollars to donuts that you are White. lol
Enrollment in the 2010 report is as follows:
(They have some other weird categories with 12.6% being non resident aliens, 3% unknown and some other stuff)
For LS&A for example, in raw numbers there were 12,542 White students compared to 927 Blacks and 2120 Asians.
I applaud the University for its efforts to make the campus more diverse, but being from Detroit (West Side 7 mile) and graduating from the University (c/o 2007 LSA) it sure as hell felt like a White school to me. (If you haven't guessed yet, I'm also African American)
Something I think that often gets past the majority is this:
Imagine being a Black student at the University of Michigan. Over 60% of the students are White (AKA damn near everyone you see). Those are just the people who actually identified being White in their records. I couldn't tell you how many people "look white." So let's take a walk though the Diag, going by the numbers, you don't see another black person but every 24th person you encounter. Clearly, as I have on many occassions (if not most) you could be on the Diag and never see another Black person at all. You walk into Angell Hall, there are flyers for IFC Frat things, dance marathon, ultimate frisbee tournaments, and a bunch of other things that do not necessarily cater to the average African American person. Skeeps - White, Ricks, White, Touchdowns, White, Goodtime Charlies White, (until the brief time where my friends threw parties at Charley's upstairs in 07). Umm... Main street -White, AAAALLLLL of the fraternities and sororities, those huge houses that are such a part of the University community and the college experience are probably 99% White.
Let me tell you a story. Yea we know the IFC has rules on non-Greek people at parties etc etc. But we also know non-greeks get in. In any event, during orientation my friends and I tried to go to a "White" frat party I won't name. And we noticed that almost every Black person who walked up to the Frat was lined up along the fence (with us). White kids were moseying right on in. After maybe 20-30 minutes of this, one of the guys said "Why don't they just go home. Can't they see they aren't wanted?" I was there during Prop 2, I was there in 03 when the S. Ct. cases came out and I assure you the University of Michigan is very, very, very White. Down in front, Blue hairs, the pub crawl, exactly what part of that is likely to attract a random Black person? I can't speak for everyone, but I think its a safe bet that although Maroon 5 is good music, a place that plays what would come on their Pandora isn't somewhere I'm dying to go on Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday or any day for that matter. But for the rest of the U, I'm sure they love it. And, yea, they do play some "Black" music, but its Channel 95.5, ap top 40 stuff. You won't see Wacka and Jeezy mixed in with Journey any time soon in a Detroit club that caters primarily to African Americans.
What do the Black students do? Other than go to Detroit? Our frats have regular houses that get shut down at an alarming rate. There was literally one time Kappa Alpha Psi threw a party with one of the frats next door to the Union (maybe in 02 or 03) and the police came and shut the party down. As I was leaving, I looked at the one next door and someone was literally swinging across the window on something that looked like a chandallier. They were also having a party and were not interrupted.
I said all of that to say that Michigan is indeed a White school as evinced by the student demographics and the activities surrounding it that cater to likely White student interests. If you are a Black student there then you better learn to assimilate, find a ride to Detroit or stay tuned in so you find out when a "Black" party is coming up. (Black party defined as one that has more Black people, and music you normally listen to than anything else). By contrast, all of the things that come along with the college experience at an HBCU are catered to our interests. The step shows, the parties, the frats, the music, the activities, the stores sell the kind of clothes you wear, etc. It's the little things. At Michigan we tried to add little pieces of those things as we went along. Most White students wouldn't recognize our fraternities and sororities by name: Alpha Phi Alpha, Kappa Alpha Psi, Omega Psi Phi, Phi Beta Sigma: sororities Alpha Kappa Alpha, Delta Sigma Theta, Sigma Gamma Rho, Zeta Phi Beta for example. They are called the Divine Nine and only one, Kappa Alpha Psi was founded on the campus of a predominately White university (IU). My point is, our frats/sorors are just as large a part of our campus life as Beta Chi or Sigma Nu or Visa Visa Mastercard is for the White students. They just aren't staples of the University writ large. And that comes with the territory of being a minority.
I used to always joke that I went to a different Michigan than other students and to a great degree it is true. I feel like the experience helped me grow as a person. I love Michigan, but I am not blind to its problems. I learned to like the Skeeps closing song, found out that Starbucks made me feel cool too and Mafia and beer pong are actually fun. But I will never, ever understand why Northface is such a big deal and why its cool to wear shorts in 20 degree weather.