Myths and Half-Truths: An In-Depth Look at Michigan's Recruiting Process from someone in the Industry

Submitted by umgoblue11 on January 13th, 2020 at 12:28 PM

I’ve been waiting to do this diary till the offseason to fill the gap and to write something a little bit more substantial. I have experience in the college and pro football ranks, and this has given me the ability to look under the hood of college football.

These experiences have led to me get to know players, coaches, and support staff. And because I know them I’ve gotten to hear the unfiltered version—there are some reporters that get the scoop, but they usually get the sanitized version. All of this is to say I am not an insider, nor do I pretend to be one. I view an insider like Sam Webb or others to be the ones to hear it first or to break details—my knowledge is different, I am not going to be able to tell you who was taking reps at practice, but it’s something I still think the Mgo faithful would find interesting to hear. For those who care, my background has been vetted by Seth: https://mgoblog.com/content/fall-football-bits-just-wanted-you-face-me-so-she-could-get-behind-you

If you have any questions or myths or any other specific musings on recruitments you want me to answer, post below and I will respond. We can use this diary post as a sort of Q&A/AMA if you'd like.

The Sabanization of Recruiting

I wanted to tackle the idea of Michigan’s recruiting since comments made by Wiltfong and after signing day to shed some light on what exactly goes down in recruiting. I will say as I have in other posts that his comments were far off base, and it reeked more of negative recruiting that Michigan always must deal with.

To give folks some history, recruiting departments exploded after Nick Saban brought the pro model of scouting to the college ranks. You can read some articles on it, but the gist is that Saban brought in a huge support staff to focus on recruiting. Saban has a very specific set of characteristics he recruits for—look at the Alabama DL and you can see that the heights/weights are all very similar. He doesn’t really make exceptions as that is the process he’s always talking about.

One of these key guys in this process was Ed Marinowitz; he came from that world and then left to go to the pros in scouting and then came back. He’s now working for CAA as an agent for coaches. Saban had an army of young college kids and recent grads working crazy hours to help break-down film and act as quasi-scouts. A lot of the current recruiting departments are built off this model because those guys have fanned out all over the country. Look at the top recruiting rankings and you will see UGA, A&M, Oregon, etc. all led by former Saban disciples. It’s because they have taken his system and applied it to their schools.

Michigan’s Recruiting Department

Almost every big school has a player personnel department that consists of student interns, football staffers, and is led by a Director of Player Personnel. Michigan has this run by Sean McGee and Tom Gamble. Tom Gamble is a former GM and has more experience identifying talent than anyone else in the country. Sean McGee is one of the most respected guys in the industry and his experience in the Naval Academy serve him well for this role in keeping everything organized. Underneath that is the Director of Recruiting Matt Dudek, who’s title I think causes some fans to misunderstand his role and creates some angst amongst fans when we don’t sign a class full of 4/5 stars. He is not the only guy in charge of recruiting. That is a team-effort from Sean and Tom and Matt and other support staff. What he really focuses on is contacting guys and being the point-person anytime they are on campus. By all accounts he is very good at this—he is not setting Michigan’s recruiting board and deciding who to target. He gets marching orders and does his best to sell them when they get on campus. There are also a few other recruiting staffers who help on campus and in the ID’ing process of the prospects.

The department's job is to sift through thousands of players and cut-up films for the coaching staffs to look at. Think of it as a funnel-- thousands of names go in and only a few hundred names come out. Coaches then receive the cut-ups and evaluate players; from there only a dozen or so may remain that formulates their recruiting board. They do this throughout the season, hence why Michigan's board is consistently shifting, as there are different outputs always being added.

Here’s where I think the big difference in Michigan’s approach is—Michigan relies heavily on their assistant coaches to identify talent and recruit. You have seen a seismic shift in Harbaugh’s first staff to now, because I think he realized how important to have excellent coaches AND recruiters. A lot of staffs have a bunch of deadweight recruiters who don’t even look at film or hate the whole having to have constant contact with recruits. Michigan does not have that deadweight anymore.

Also, look to the age and demographic shift in Michigan’s coaching staff from older NFL-style coaches to younger, dynamic coaches who can relate to the kids and their backgrounds. What I think Wiltfong was trying to say is that Harbaugh leans more on his assistants to do this heavy lifting, whereas other staffs they have people in place to do most of the contacting and then have the assistants focus mostly on closing the deal.

Technology in Recruiting

If you walk around the coaching convention, you’re going to be bombarded by hundreds of companies that have software or tech that they are trying to sell to college staffs. I can’t tell you the efficacy of 99% of it, but I can tell you that most staffs have programs and use 3rd party folks to help cull the lists of players down. A big one that's come out in the past few years uses track times and data to help project kids and their potential I know that Michigan uses this one and focuses heavily on verified track times. Why? Because they are standardized across the nation unlike unreliable camp laser times, and they provide a great historical context. If guys are running sub 10.6 100M dash you know for a fact that dude is fast. I would imagine that with Gattis you are going to see many of our receivers as 10.6 guys. Other track data is also very useful, shot-put and discus for lineman to hurdles and long jump for other defensive players.

Other apps that I know are being used are daily alerts for when certain kids they ID’d get offered. This is usually the signal to either go back and re-look at a prospect or to have your staff put an eval together of him. OSU/PSU track every offer and every contact that we put out—they want to see who we are going after and in most cases will offer a kid after we do. A big change from the previous years is that Michigan is one of the first to offer major prospects, something that was not the case 5 years ago. Guys like Jalen Mayfield and Matt Hibner this year were guys that Michigan ID’d early before they were highly rated. Slight side note: Iowa State under Matt Campbell has one of the best recruiting departments. Go back and look at when they offer kids—it’s insane how many first offers they were to guys before they blew up.

What Happens After an Evaluation Happens?

After the recruiting department culls the list based on all those factors, the coaches review the film and ID the kids that should be offered the group comes together to decide who goes on the board and where they prioritize the recruits.

Here's the portion that fans don't see because not every offer means that they are a target of the staff. After that list is whittled down there is still a multitude of factors that go into a whether Michigan actively recruits the kid. Unfortunately, a lot of kids get dinged because of grades, Michigan has a staff with Claiborne Greene that if they like the prospect and he just needs to improve scores and is a good kid will work with them to give them advice and guidance. That's why sometimes there is the gray area of is a kid a take or not comes in. Ideally, you don't want to take a kid if he still has a lot of work in the classroom because if he doesn't do the work he has to de-commit and all the negative backlash that comes with it. Then they have due diligence on the kid's background. They look through social media and talk to HS coaching staffs. This portion dings another portion of the recruiting board, as coaches don't want to take risks on a kid if there are red flags in their past and get those red flags get brought to campus. This is where someone like MSU got into deep trouble for looking past these red flags to take certain kids.

The last portion and this is always the most heated topic amongst Michigan fans is there is a large portion of Michigan’s board that we will not pursue further-- we are not holier than though and aren’t this shining beacon and bastion of morals and integrity, but flat out if a kid or his family or handler is looking for “assurances or things of that ilk” we won’t play that game. I know this for a fact and have been told of at least a dozen of these cases from people directly involved. This post isn’t meant to detail that side of recruiting, but I can always answer questions below.

Recruiting Rankings and their Impact

For Michigan and most staffs, the answer is zilch; not even one iota. They trust their evals more than recruiting sites because they have more data and information than they do. Some coaching staffs like to use it for PR, or a scorecard, and some coaches have bonuses in their contract. Some use it as a tool to show how awesome they are to fans and keep that reputation of being a great recruiter *cough James Franklin*.

At a staff like Alabama it is such a machine that they know damn well that when they offer a kid that recruiting services will automatically bump them up. Saban doesn't care about how a recruiting service ranks a kid because if he commits to Bama, he knows they're going to almost automatically become a 4-star.

Now all of this is to say that recruiting services do generally hit on the 5-star guys because almost anyone can pick out a kid with that type of talent. I would say the best indicator of how well Michigan’s class is doing, is by how many of the kids you landed were being courted heavily by any of the Top-10 (Alabama, Auburn, A&M, UGA, Clemson, OSU, Penn State, Notre Dame, Texas, etc.). This will change based on regionality, but a guy like Braiden McGregor is a great example. Clemson, Notre Dame, and OSU all really wanted him and was a huge recruiting win for Michigan.

Today's recruiting is very different from the past decade. It's much harder for players to fall through the cracks nowadays, but it still happens. Back in the day, Tom Lemming would be a great resource because he would be talking to tons of HS coaches and know what players were getting talked up and what ones are flying under the radar. Now every program has a staff in place full of technology that has made them into professional scouting departments.

Comments

Yo_Blue

January 13th, 2020 at 12:57 PM ^

This is really good stuff! Thanks for putting it together. If nothing else, it should serve to talk certain people off the ledge. Sadly though these people don't want to know the truth because they'd rather bitch about things.

Denard In Space

January 13th, 2020 at 1:04 PM ^

nice insights! actual information! 

isn't it funny how big of a difference there is between someone who actually knows what they're talking about, and internet jerks whose "info" is solely drawn from subscription message boards? 

 

umgoblue11

January 13th, 2020 at 2:39 PM ^

This is an awesome and great first question, I appreciate you asking.

No, I do not and this is where I can be a bit critical with them, because I like their process but it's taken them a while to get to this point. There were guys on staff who flat our weren't producing and we're kept around. So it's a bit frustrating that we're 5 years into it and haven't had a ton of big victories on the field. 

I wish that they would double the size of their recruiting staff to keep up with the big boys. You can find talented people who will stay with the org for a minimum of 5 years if you pay them well. I can tell you why we won't do that-- that was Harbaugh's initial plan when he started, but it allowed too many leaks and too many people running around with their info that would then go to next best thing. It caused huge issues and drop-offs in recruiting, and why you heard "havent heard from Michigan" from some recruits. 

I would be creative and get away from the straight photoshop edits. Make videos and content for guys on the team to share. Constantly be putting stuff out there with the brand. Kids are on their phones and you need to reach them instead of hoping they'll come to you. But alas the only way we're going to compete with the Clemson's and OSU's of the world is to win. Just win baby and recruiting will go from T10 to T5.

trueblueintexas

January 13th, 2020 at 2:56 PM ^

Thanks for the post and following up on questions. I didn't fully understand your comments about Michigan maximizing their recruiting better. 

If I read correctly, Michigan does not have as big of a recruiting staff as other major programs like Alabama, Clemson, OSU. To counter this Harbaugh initially thought a smaller more dedicated staff would be better? But then people left anyway and so you had the same change over issue bigger staffs have but with a smaller staff? Is that correct? 

Also, when the stories of Alabama's recruiting staff first were reported (I think they had about 27 recruiting staff) there was talk of the NCAA limiting the number of "support/recruiting" staff to maintain better balance. That never happened. Do you ever foresee that happening?

umgoblue11

January 13th, 2020 at 3:10 PM ^

I also want to add.. I'd love for Michigan to take the Clemson model and apply it up here. We can make the bagman jokes, but from everyone I've ever heard tell me that the culture up there is second to none. There's no reason Harbaugh can't build the Stanford of the East or a Northern Clemson. In that I mean when a kid gets offered from one of the schools there's a lot of weight behind it. Stanford offers a QB and they commit. Clemson had a future star LB beg for an offer and accepted it on the spot. 

Yes that is kinda correct. He had a big staff when he came in-- he had guys everywhere, but then those guys leave and recruit against you. I can tell you from some people that left early it was a weird process. Harbaugh was upset, but oddly disconnected and told them to leave a resignation letter on his desk. I think that weighed on him and he'd rather have a small, dedicated staff. 

Here's a good rule to follow-- if the SEC doesn't like a rule or it's disadvantageous to them it gets thrown out. If it works well for them it rarely gets changed. 

umgoblue11

January 14th, 2020 at 9:26 AM ^

I've talked with players that have played there and played against them and Dabo has built a culture where they blend high-end talent with a bunch of hard-working no-star/2-star guys. He talks more about those no-star guys than he ever will about his 5-stars. They don't care how highly rated a guy is they are committed to their recruiting board and only take guys that will thrive there. It's a cool, small town so they know that if they can get guys to focus on family and football that they will stay there and develop.

Say what you want about Dabo, but he's beloved by his players while still being tough as hell on them. He wants guys that want to play football and not all of the glitz and glamour and they've turned down kids with immense talent to keep that culture strong. For me it feels like we need a few more guys like Devin Bush. Guys that bust their butt and hold their teammates accountable and help set that culture. I didn't see a guy like that this year on the team, but hopefully a guy like Aidan will fill those shoes next year.

readyourguard

January 14th, 2020 at 11:00 AM ^

Jim has talked to walk-ons a lot: Nate Schoenle, Tru Wilson, Jess Speight, Jordan Glasgow, Vestarde, Cochrane......

In that regard, he's very much like Dabo.

in my very own opinion, I think we need to do a better overall job of A) improving the culture of harder work, and B) player development.  Do those, and recruiting instantly improves.

umgoblue11

January 14th, 2020 at 12:06 PM ^

Yeah he definitely has, but to me the Glasgow's need to be plastered all around the place and those guys need to be the shining example. When have 3 walk-on brothers come in and make an impact like they have? It is truly remarkable and I feel like they need to push more of that out.

I just don't know what our culture is right now. It used to be blue collar. Harbaugh gave out those mechanic shirts. I'm not so sure that even fits with this current team. Is it speed in space? Is it madman Don Brown schemes? Look at the love Joe Brady is getting. He's running very similar stuff to Josh Gattis because they came from the same Moorhead coaching tree. 

umgoblue11

January 13th, 2020 at 4:16 PM ^

Not at all, and that wasn't meant to be an excuse, but Michigan has had a significant amount of turnover in their coaching staff. I think Jay and Zordich are the only one left from the original staff. 

Saban has been all ornery about this the past few years, because his entire staff has turned over and everyone out there is copying his plan. Then he realized he needed to adapt his approach.

Valiant

January 14th, 2020 at 1:41 PM ^

"Saban has been all ornery about this the past few years, because his entire staff has turned over and everyone out there is copying his plan. Then he realized he needed to adapt his approach."

I'm not sure I follow the last part here.  How has Saban adapted his approach to correct this?

umgoblue11

January 14th, 2020 at 9:29 AM ^

The first staff had a lot of NFL guys that preferred to coach and not so much recruit (sans Wheatley). Mix that in with a few guys that were hyper-focused on getting to that next step and it was a bad mix. For all the love that Fisch gets here why do you think that he's been back in the NFL not even coaching a position group and not coaching college? He's had a million interviews, but hasn't landed anything. 

MGoStrength

January 14th, 2020 at 7:58 AM ^

But alas the only way we're going to compete with the Clemson's and OSU's of the world is to win. Just win baby and recruiting will go from T10 to T5.

This is priceless.  This is what I was looking for.  Unfortunately it sounds like we won't close the gap, because I don't see how we beat OSU without the recruiting.  Every time OSU sends a guy that seems unstoppable to the NFL and we take a sigh of relief (Bosa, Haskins, Young, etc.) they just replace him with another one and we can't match up.  We just don't have the DBs to cover their WRs or the o-line to block their D-line, or the LB/S to matchup with their RBs, etc.  Unless we somehow get a true elite QB, which we haven't seemed to be able to find, I don't see how we ever close that gap.

umgoblue11

January 14th, 2020 at 9:33 AM ^

I think we desperately need a signature win under Harbaugh. We need to go on the road and knock somebody off. And we don't need to replicate what OSU is doing, just stick to our scheme and bring in kids that fit that. I really feel that once we get over the OSU hump it's going to open the flood gates.

GOBLUE4EVR

January 13th, 2020 at 1:30 PM ^

so with meyer gone from OSU do you see them still being able to recruit at the clip they going at or will there be a drop off?

as for in state kids that Michigan hasn't been able to land in recent years how many of them were because of red flags and or grades? and does a certain LB that played at WB who ended up at PSU fall into that category? 

umgoblue11

January 13th, 2020 at 2:46 PM ^

Man I really wish that were the case, but OSU has an infrastructure in place that they're going to recruit like banshees no matter who's the coach. With that being said, Urban was able to take teams with average QB's and make them elite. He's one of the best coaches of all time. Time will tell with Day, but he's not Urban and he's has had 2 first-round QB's. Let's see what he does when he doesn't have generational talent at that position after next year.

I don't know all the specifics on certain kids, but I was told that if there's an instate kid that Michigan isn't hotly pursuing you can assume it's: grades, culture fit, or not a scheme fit. You can extrapolate from that what you wish, but the kid from Kentucky a few years ago was always going to be a NT and Michigan doesn't really recruit that for their defense. Dobbs was an example of a certain coach being awkward and not putting in the time. But I don't think he's that big of a miss to be honest. He's a guard all the way and MSU is going to have to play him at T. He was never seen as a can't miss prospect, more a case of getting hype early and then fading.

No on Dixon. I think Michigan really wanted Dixon and think he'll be a good player, but there's a few examples of Franklin taking kids from our state/area that are ranked high that I know weren't ranked high on Michigan's board.

GOBLUE4EVR

January 13th, 2020 at 3:06 PM ^

thank you for the insight!!!

i only asked about Dixon because a co-worker at my PT job that was at WB at the same time as him told me that he was a trouble maker and acted like he was untouchable because he was the star football player... now i do know that kind of attitude doesn't fly with Bellamy because of how he handled Trishton Jackson during his senior year...

umgoblue11

January 13th, 2020 at 3:13 PM ^

I don't know about his specifics, but that sounds definitely possible. But that probably goes for a lot of these kids, because they're young and dotted upon early on! I could tell you some stories about some of these kids man. Having Bellomy there is a huge boon for Michigan to really get to know the kids. And yes Trishton learned the hard way that you have to come go play school. 

buckeyejonross

January 13th, 2020 at 4:57 PM ^

Tactically, Ryan Day is far ahead of Urban Meyer. It's night and day (ha), really. But a lot of guys are ace tacticians. Does Day have the ability to recruit, motivate, and lead like Meyer did? How does Day get his team to bounce back after being thisclose to winning it all? Meyer was great at this in 2014 after the disappointing end to 2013, and again in 2016 after the bitter end to 2015. Can Day do that? What happens if Meyer takes another job and poaches the infrastructure he left behind at OSU? How long does Day want to stay in college football?

These existential questions are far more relevant to the Ryan Day era. Because spoiler alert, QB talent (talent in general) is never going to be an issue at OSU.

umgoblue11

January 13th, 2020 at 5:33 PM ^

I would agree with your sentiments, but not your fandom :P

I don't think we can definitively say Day is that far ahead of Urban tactically yet. He beat up on a bunch of okay programs this year (Michigan included). And then in the biggest stage crapped his pants in the second half. I don't necessarily agree on the QB point, because you were one MCL away from Chuganov as a starting QB in the playoff. But talent in general, yes OSU has and will always be a top power in recruiting. 

What Michigan fans didn't/don't realize is that Urban was the best program builder. Better than Saban IMO. And you're right the biggest thing hanging over Day's head is the NFL-- that wasn't something you had with Urban.

buckeyejonross

January 14th, 2020 at 9:47 AM ^

I think it's disingenuous to say "Day crapped his pants" in the second half of the Clemson game. OSU rung up 516 yards. They really only briefly struggled to move the ball in the 3rd quarter, which directly correlated to JK Dobbins missing a large chunk of it. By the 4th Quarter, OSU was moving at will again. Even the lack of points were execution errors, not Day errors. Dobbins drops two TDs that Day schemed wide open on clear RPS wins. Olave makes a mental error on a play Day schemed to beat the exact coverage Clemson ran. Oh well. Clemson had no answer for anything OSU was trying to do.

I think bringing up the Chuganov situation is also unfair to Day. For one, Day is the reason OSU got Justin Fields. No one has two Justin Fields. No one has QB depth anymore. What more do you want Day to do? Also, if Fields never comes, OSU is starting Matt Baldwin, an ex-4star, with Tate Martell on the bench. Chuganov still never sees the field in a meaningful role. In this cycle, OSU signed a top 100 kid and a top 300 kid. In next year's class, OSU has a commitment from a top 30 kid. QB recruiting is fine. 2019 was the least amount of depth OSU will have at the position in a while.

My only real defense of Day's desire to stay in college vs. head to the NFL was the fact that Day didn't take the Titans OC job in 2018. Vrabel offered it. In my opinion, if Day's career endgame was NFL head coach, he takes that Titans job. The quickest way to be an NFL head coach is to kill it as an NFL OC. The fact that Day didn't do that makes me think he knew he was coach in waiting at OSU, and preferred being OSU's HC instead of being an NFL HC. That's purely my conjecture. But if Day's goal was to be an NFL HC one day, bypassing an NFL OC position to stay on as a college OC was not the way to do it. 

energyblue1

January 15th, 2020 at 9:50 AM ^

Hard to say with Day just yet.  He inherited a great program ready built with recruiting already at the highest level of cf and still didn't have a back up at rb, qb and what not. 

Vs Clemson, held to 3 fg's and got several stops in the 2nd half.  All that offensive fire power was ripped in the redzone.  I would agree two td's should have been scored but that's execution.  Funny thing is, when we talk in the reverse about Michigan and many issues being execution, you and your fanbase like to say Harbaugh was out coached when in fact it's a matter of catching the football or throwing it and giving the rec a chance.  Or not whiffing on a block or fumbling the ball, ie doing things that are self inflicted that not a single coach in america teaches.  Yet your fanbase is so delusional you would scream out coached out schemed.  Where Day got outcoached was they didn't have an answer for Simmons the entire game and he shut down most of your plays as Clemson knew where you were going and they attacked with him. 

I also found it hilarious your fanbase was crying about the officiating.  Funny how you cry pass interference when Okuda ran through Collins twice and we have watched big ten officials take michigan out of the game calling bs pass interference while your db's are mugging our receivers and no call.  Maybe you can agree that officiating has just as big an impact on the game.  Kind of like Higgins has 2 or 3 td's against Lsu in the title game and #1 is holding every single pass, and pulling his shoulder back in the endzone as the ball lands 3 feet in front of Higgins and no flag... Or Lsu knocks Ross the f out on a play getting there a second early and no flag then they hit the Clemson lber with Targeting despite him going lower dropping his pad level and putting his shoulder into the offensive player.  Officiating changes games.  Just like the bigten has had osu's back in The Game since Tressell arrived! 

MGoStrength

January 14th, 2020 at 9:43 AM ^

QB talent (talent in general) is never going to be an issue at OSU.

I think it's naive to think that.  Just because you recruit top QBs doesn't mean they'll pan out.  UM has had the same talent as OSU at QB the last few years with Peters/Patterson vs Haskins/Fields and they still haven't produced.  You saw the same thing happen with Grier & Franks at Florida and Buechele, Brewer, Heard, etc. at Texas.  Just because you a highly rated QB recruit doesn't mean he'll be good.  OSU has been fortunate with Barrett, Haskins, & Fields.  There's no guarantee Stroud, McCord, etc. will pan out just like there's no guarantee McCaffrey, McCarthy will either.