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|9 hours 3 min ago||So we need more good players||
|9 hours 8 min ago||They both played well||
against all the bad teams during the 4 game winning streak. Walton has just been brutal against most of the good teams this year. Good thing the defense showed up today to make up for it.
And yes, the defense holds this team back, but it's 50% of the game, so um, for that to be ONE of the "only" problems is a huge problem. A big part of it is focus and effort, and it sounded like they made a concerted effort this week to give the effort and it looked like it on the court. Sad that home games against rivals didn't do it last week, but hopefully they can keep it up.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Totally agree||
it seems like we're getting to the point where an NBA scout might say, look this guy isn't going to play through things for his teammates, despite being medically cleared, to the point where it's probably hurting his stock more than some injury.
I mean, guys get hurt all the time. Guys get drafted hurt all the time. People heal. NBA scouts factor in that whole healing thing in when evaluating talent. They also factor in heart and in that regard Caris might be hurting himself.
I admit, I do not know the facts and circumstances, but Beilein very clearly said he's medically cleared and it's up to Caris when to return (which kind of screwed Caris a litttle by putting it all on him and put him in a situation were Beilein has to ask the media to back off). I assume medically cleared means the medical staff doesn't think there is any more risk of reinjury than the normal risks that are always there, so you wonder how continuing to sit looks to NBA people.
|2 days 10 hours ago||We have better shooting 5 than ever before||
It's not the case that the system needs a 5 that can do that. We've never before this season had a 5 that can do that and Beilein's best offense (ever, not just at M) was when Jordan Morgan played most of the miuntes at 5. He couldn't hit a 10-footer. Donnal is, in fact, the best outside shooter we've ever had at the 5, the only one who's ever been a threat to hit a shot outside of 15 feet. That's not at all the problem. We don't even want anyone shooting 18 footers anyway. Worst shot in the game.
The problem (the few times our 14th in the nation offense bogs down) is that we have no healthy slashers with Caris and Spike out. Walton isn't that guy and MAAR and Irvin have stepped up decently, but not aren't world beaters at doing it.
|2 days 10 hours ago||Great point about defense||
and remember that kenpom is adjusted based on SOS so our high defensive ranking early on accounted for the fact that we were playing bad teams already. We were still performing decently compared to other teams. I think after the PSU game we were around 70th or 80th overall in defense and had held six opponents in a row to less than 1 ppp.
I think Caris had something to do with the drop, partially because he is a solid, long defender and he allowed the rest of the guards to stay more fresh. Another factor is the drop coincided with Donnal playing far more minutes. He's been playing pretty well offensively, but he's awful at defense, probably quite a bit worse than Doyle and that seems to be hurting. Between Robinson and Donnal, we have some huge defensive liabilities out there, and Dawkins is even worse for 15 min a game.
So I don't think Caris is going to bring us back to a not horrible defense if the big man rotation remains the way it is (which it should because Donnal is still better than Doyle overall if Doyle is going to turn it over more than 20% of his possessions).
|2 days 11 hours ago||We definitely||
miss heart and leadership on this team, and Spike brings that in spades. While he isn't quick or long enough to be good at individual defense, he hustles and plays hard and that could rub off on everyone else who's playing uninspired defense, which is really the problem here (173rd in the country!!!!).
|2 days 11 hours ago||In that case||
it does make sense for them since they do take so many 5 footers and their post guys replace much of a backdoor cut or dribble drive game for them. Great analysis on MAAR, Ace.
It seems like Irvin is highly effective at the rim (without needing an assist) as well as Caris and MAAR, and he's not THAT far behind in % of shots taken at the rim. I'm actually surprised that % is so low since it seems like he has been taking to the rim a lot more since Caris has been out. I wonder if that % is much higher in B1G play.
|2 days 20 hours ago||"Recruiting territory"||
Author refers to the "recruiting territory" in which Harbaugh resides as a barren wasteland, genius. You think anyone would ever talk about the small town of Ann Arbor itself as a recruiting territory? Wow.
It is a fact there there is more HS talent in FL and the SE recruiting territory than in MI and the Midwest recruiting territory. Calling the Midwest a barren wasteland of talent is certainly hyperbole, but he's not at all ripping on the town of Ann Arbor which is what your title implies. Bad title.
|2 days 20 hours ago||Poor link title too||
This post itself is clickbait. Author doesn't call Ann Arbor a barren wasteland. He calls the region in which Harbaugh resides a barren wasteland of HS football talent relative to the places Harbaugh is setting up camps. That's not a slight on Ann Arbor in general and it's tough to even argue with that author much on that point. Michigan doesn't have an abundance of HS football talent compared to FL.
Article not nearly as offensive as OP makes it sounds. This gets a big "who cares"?
|3 days 19 hours ago||But if your rivals are whining...||
...is it a glorious feeling of schadenfreude and a reflection of your own success?
|5 days 11 hours ago||There is a SOS factor that does depend on whom you play||
so indirectly it does matter. They benefitted from a SOS bump by playing MSU that will likely more than make up for the home/road difference in what the loss would count for. They will be hurt just by playing Minn in the SOS factor, and yes, while the road loss doesn't count incrementally as much as a home loss, the combo of the loss and the hit to SOS will probably cause a greater hit to RPI given how low Minn is ranked (200+).
|5 days 13 hours ago||Our sucking on defense||
has reached a whole new level this year too. It's at 159th in the country. A B1G team. That's Rutgers territory. We've had a lot of defenses in the 100s under Beilein but this is the worst of them all.
I don't actually think it's the lack of athleticism or even length that is the problem. A huge part of it is effort, focus and smarts - being in the right places. Our best defensive teams under Beilein amazingly weren't when we had the NBA athleticism, it's when Stu and Novak and Jmo were playing big minutes. We were between 37th and 69th in the country the four years of Stu and Novak. Only one other year under Beilein have we been better than 100th at defense and that was the year we had 5 NBA players starting (but were still only 48th).
Aubrey Dawkins is the prime example, and Tim Hardaway and GR3 are exhibits II and III how elite athleticism does not at all translate to good defense. Dawkins is so lost and clueless out there it is remarkable.
Beilein has never been a motivator so it's clear he has to recruit for effort. I have to be honest, if we can't get NBA guys, I'd rather get Novak and Jmo (high effort, high energy) types than Dawkins and Donnal (high skill, questionable other) types.
|5 days 15 hours ago||Your last sentence||
is everything. We're 16th in the country in offense. Another bucket or two per game are negligible and unnecessary if we can't get a stop here or there. 159th (!!!) in defense. And at one point, we were in the top 100 so the last 10 or so games (starting with Purdue) have just been absolutely abysmal, even SOS adjusted.
|5 days 15 hours ago||Nothing to see here.||
Nothing to see here.
|5 days 15 hours ago||Agree||
that losing Spike hurts more than most realize.
|5 days 15 hours ago||On the other hand||
if Trey Burke doesn't complete a 1% comeback against Kansas, and we end that season, a season in which we had the most talent in college basketball, without a B1G regular season or tourney title and a loss in the sweet 16, the torches and pitchforks would be flying off the shelf right now.
This hasn't been a hard luck tenure overall. 2012 and 2013 were particularly fortunate, and yes, the last two seasons have been unfortunate from an injury standpoint, but every team deals with that over the course of many seasons. You can play the what-if game lots of directions.
Bottom line is that the 2012 recruiting class appears more like a fortunate blip and not a sign of newfound recruiting prowess for Beilein and his 6-7 years not including that class, in which we've been a .500 B1G team, give or take, is about the expectation for Beilein.
|5 days 15 hours ago||how many years does that go back?||
because he's been here 9 years which is 1/7 of 63 years. So he'd be performing at expectation/average if the final four consideration window is 63 years. I don't think anyone doubts he's above average, but with everything the athletic dept has going for it right now, it's reasonable to think we could do better than this, if we're willing to take the risk that we could miss too.
|5 days 15 hours ago||Unless Teske can come in||
and drastically improve the interior defense, the new class isn't going to make much of a dent. I can't imagine Watson is going to take many, if any minutes from Rahkman, Irvin, Robinson or Dawkins on the wing, and Simpson will improve the backup PG situation but that's only 5-10 min a game. The team we see on the court now, is going to be playing 90-95% of the minutes next year, unless Teske can move ahead of several guys. So any improvement will have to come from guys on the roster, hopefully one of Wilson, Chatman or Wagner making a big leap.
|5 days 16 hours ago||This is true, when Spike was on the floor||
on the offensive end. Spike was just as important at creating for others and leading when on the floor. But with Walton healthy, Spike would only provide about 10-15 min a game so his loss isn't as impactful overall as Caris.
|6 days 20 hours ago||Do you think||
Bo Ryan, Tony Bennett, Shaka Smart, Gregg Marshall, Billy Donovan, Jay Wright, even Izzo have acheived their success by running dirty programs? Yes, we are never going to be like Louisville, Kansas, Duke, UNC or Kentucky, but there is a step above where we are now that doesn't include bag men and improper bennies. It's not easy to get there and I don't think we should get rid of good to try to find better, but the notion that you can't be better than we are without cheating is flat wrong.
|6 days 20 hours ago||Looks a lot better than||
|6 days 20 hours ago||Unlikely||
Trey will be a nice backup PG for hopefully 10 years.
But Stauskas has been an out-and-out disaster..so far. He couldn't stay on the floor for the terrible Kings, so they traded him to a team that is historically bad because they WANT to be bad. Not only is he a disaster on defense, the one thing he's supposed to do well, 3pt shooting, he does at a 32% clip this year. He has a god-awful 8.30 PER which doesn't even take into account the defensive problems. The sixers bought low in hopes those shooting percentages come up and they can flip him to a team that is in denial about how bad his defense is or thinks they can turn that around. Just because he's averaging 8ppg (which isn't good anyway) for a historically bad team that is running him out there because it is a win-win for them (if he plays bad, they are more likely to lose, which is what they want, and if he shoots well, they might be able to flip him).
Nik is young, hopefully he turns it around, but his first 1.5 years couldn't have gone worse save for a career ending injury, and I can't imagine it's doing anything to change the "white boy basketball" can't-play-defense, perception of Michigan players and program.
|6 days 21 hours ago||You're right||
but most teams would have kept it within 30 for longer than that. I mean, it's not like Forbes was hitting these with a hand in his face. He came in as the one guy you can't let shoot, do not help off him and our awful man defense was so awful, we helped off him time and again...and then inexplicably went to a 1-3-1 and left him even more open! State was great, but we had a lot do to with it, players and coaches. It was a very poor gameplan and effort.
|6 days 21 hours ago||What?||
Michigan not a better program than Wichita? What other than Gregg Marshall makes Wichita even mildly successful? And what would be attractive about Wichita to the next coach should he leave? I'm actually honestly asking these questions, becase I'm just assuming they don't have the national appeal, money or facilities that we do, but maybe I'm wrong?
We have brand new, beautiful facilities, Jumpman sponsor, and boatlaods of money if we want to use it. The only ding on our program at this point is that we don't fill the stadium when we're a mediocre team. We should be able to pay and attract most up-and-coming coaches who shouldn't have to worry about medicore teams.
|6 days 21 hours ago||Ugh||
and that quickly back squarely on the bubble facing a must-win road game.
|6 days 21 hours ago||Out of fairness||
you can't ding him for not making the NCAA tournament at Canisius and Richmond. It's actually somewhat impressive he made it at both schools (although the Canisius season wasn't great, they just made one those runs through the conf tourney despite a .500 conf record).
At West Virginia and Michigan, where a good coach can be expected to make the tourney most years, he's a good, not great, 7 of 13 (with this season being up in the air). At both schools, the trajectory has been...wavy. You're absolutely right that he is what he is at this point, which is a coach with a baseline of a 7-10 seed in the tourney that every 5-7 years hits on a couple underrated guys that take him further but who suffers some disappointing missed tourney/losing seasons in between. It's above average, but yes, at this point, with Jumpman as the new sponsor, and sanctions well in the rearview mirror, it seems like we could definitely take another step forward with a Archie Miller, Gregg MarshalL, Kevin Ollie, Shaka Smart type up-and-coming guy. Hope we back up the moeny truck when the time comes.
Taking that step forward is also not a gaurantee even with a coveted hire and he's done more than enough to deserve to go on his own terms. So let's hope for one of those upswing years soon if he has several years left in him.
|1 week 2 days ago||I'm 33||
otherwise, this post sums me up perfectly as well.
|1 week 3 days ago||Looks like it||
i'd be surprised if these GA guys end up in the class.
|1 week 3 days ago||I hope||
they're both off to the NFL before they spend five years at Michigan. That'll mean they've had great careers, and we should have plenty of young talent to step up for them by 2021-2022.
|1 week 5 days ago||Maybe tall and athletic||
but not that good at basketball. Men's basketball. The sport in which they lost to Oakland and UC Santa Barbara at home, and the 76th ranked team in kenpom. And I've also watched them out here in PAC12 country and they depend on steals, tempo, blocked shots, and all the things we are good at not allowing. They're not very disciplined which plays right into our game. Not saying they COULDN'T beat us, but it'd be a fine matchup for us and there are about 40 teams in the tourney that you should be more afraid of. Teams that will actually make the tourney.
It's also really funny how you watched them play one time, in a loss no less, and you seem weirdly concerned of this random mediocre team when all the rest of the discussion is about actually good teams that will definitely, you know, make the tournament.