Dickinson will probably end up at Maryland now.
That's fine, good for them. They'll lose in the second round of the tournament and everyone will have fun.
That’s 3 more rounds than our team will see next year.
Better watch out, any bad remarks about Michigan basketball and Juwan are immediately negged on this board.
I for one agree with you, this program is in serious trouble, I love Juwan, the Fab Five and all things Michigan, but he is our slightly more successful Scott Frost, he should be fired, and it’s going to be really hard to watch.
id even bet that if basketball has a horrible season next year, Juwan takes an assistant job in the NBA and Michigan protects him saying it was a mutual parting.
I just look at this roster as, currently constructed, and don't see how they top 15 wins, even if they can get some help in the transfer portal. I don't see where they're going to replace the production of Bufkin, Dickinson and Jett.
agree, next season is going to be rough.
our “one and done’s” are crippling us. need to recruit like Beilein and develop system guys who will stick around for 3-5 years.
doesn’t help tom the troll had a great class last year and the incoming class is loaded.
Funny thing is that Beilein brought in projects that ended up leaving early. No fault of his or the kids who wanted to get to the NBA. I think if Michigan had kept DJ, they may have won the second National Championship. I like Juwan and want to give him more time. Beilein had similar calls for his head in 116 I think, but had great run after that. I'd ay a few more years
That is one of the main reasons JB left is what Juwan is going through right now. Many people have short memories on here. The transfers and people leaving early he couldn't construct the teams he wanted.
College basketball teams have always had turnover and so rosters are constantly changing. Obviously now exaggerated in the portal era.
Jett may be a good NBA player one day, but he was not a good college player and his spot will likely see a better player.
Hunter? Losing him could be addition by subtraction. He was not a good defender and I never bought into the claim that he was a good passer. He wasn't. And not a good rebounder.
Kobe? yes a loss, but again, count up the number of players we have lost to the NBA in recent years and somehow managed to have a decent team.
Next year, the team will have two 4* and one 5* as we stand now. And that's not including the D2 Ohio POY coming in.
It will be a process to see what our team will be next year. But I think it will be a better team than most are thinking.
I agree, to me the people calling for Howard's head are the same know-nothings who called for Harbaugh's head.
There is a lot of transition in college bball right now, just look at this years final four. If that doesnt speak volumes nothing else can. M had a chance to finish second in the B1G with two games left and couldnt finish which described their season, couldnt finish. This speaks to more of a chemistry problem than anything. Maybe a roster turnover is needed but calling for Howard's head after a down year that still ended in a winning record is a bit premature.
This is a ridiculous comparison--Howard has taken the team to the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight. Frost never even sniffed a winning season at Nebraska and was quite literally one of their worst football coaches of all time (by winning percentage).
IMHO, it is too early to tell anything about how next season is going to go--who thought Northwestern would be one of the best teams in the league and would make it to the tournament? Raise your hand, I can't see you on the internet. Anyone? The portal taketh, but it will giveth as well.
He can't even spell HOKE. So we shouldn't expect much.
Scott frost? Coach Howard has already been infinitely more successful than frost.
Brady hoke? Throw it out there.
Ed orgeron? That's probably my best comp.
Pat Ewing? At least you didn't have the balls to go there. Others on here have.
Scott frost just screams you're a moron..
The coaching was so awful this past year, everyone wants out. Make the change now. He made an elite 8 run with an incredible team, not because of of Juwan’s coaching.
Yes, the 2 time all American with no NBA prospect wants to go on the open market. Cool.
The 2 young guys who will go in the 1st round want to get to their 2nd contract as early as they can bc of the structure of the NBA CBA.
Barnes was given every chance to live up to his promise athletically, was probably told he wouldn't get there, and left.
I would expect more firm handshakes based on talent level on display. I will not speculate on who that will be... but.
Is Tarris gone? Lets talk. Dug? Joey and Llewellyn are applying for 6th yrs to stay. Is Yoyo talking to a french paper that hasnt been linked here?
If you want to argue that Howard cannot recruit well, go for it. I would argue that they dont identify talent that will stay in school, and thats a different argument. But at least thats a coherent argument to have.
EVERYONE WANTS OUT! Is not a coherent argument.
Im afraid we are in a bad place but if you are replacing alumni coaches after back to back sweet 16 seasons good luck with good replacements. The only option is to hope Juwan pulls us out of this nose dive. You dont coach a big ten champ team and back to back sweet 16s then forget how to coach. Well at any other school you dont do that.
The second of the back to back sweet 16s was 19-15 (17-14 after the big ten tourney) and .500 in big ten play.
11-9 in Big Ten play that season. Tied with msu and 1 game behind Iowa, osu, and Rutgers.
LIKE Beilein got it together
slightly? how many sweet 16s?
Coach of the Year?
Which year did Scott Frost win that?
Exactly. Scott Frost's coaching reputation was built off that one season at UCF. He has a losing record in his 6 other seasons as a head coach (including 2022 when he went 1-2 before being fired).
Juwan Howard actually has a WINNING overall record in all 4 seasons so far. His worst conference season was his first season during the COVID year when the team was 10-10 in BT play.
So yeah, Frost is a terrible comp for Juwan.
I want to know how you're comparing apples to oran... I mean basketball coaches to football coaches?
Its like comparing Ryan Day to a baseball player.
Agreed, but there is one way that comparing those two coaches makes sense, and that is neither coach can pull out wins in close games. That is a fair comparison, and Howard will need to figure that out quick. Otherwise, there is no other good comparison.
I assume you're getting negged because to suggest he's only slightly more successful that Scott Frost is completely absurd. He has an elite 8 and a sweet 16 and only once failed to reach at least the sweet 16.
Has he even had a losing record in big ten play in any season?
Who?
If this happens I hope we just ignore Hunter when/if we play. Hes going to be coming in looking to be a villain and rile people up. I would neither cheer nor boo him, just treat him as some journeyman big who barely holds our interest.
There are over 1,000 players in the transfer portal. Dickinson isn't doing anything out of the norm for modern college basketball. There's no reason not to appreciate what he did while he was here. It's just an adjustment to get used to players moving around like this.
I was more working on the assumption that if Hunter signs with Maryland he could likely do that thing he liked to, sometimes, do where he agitates and trolls opposing fanbases. Only now that would be us.
I hope that doesn’t happen. I loved him in the Maize and Blue. I can’t see myself turning on him fully. That screams pro sports, which is sad. I hope it will be more like when UM players are on pro teams I don’t like. I cheer for the player and against the team (not easy to do).
But he is a professional basketball player, essentially being paid to play. I’m not big on booing individual players but I won’t criticize anyone who chooses to boo him, the “he’s just a kid busting his butt for the school” argument, no longer applies.
He is doing something out of the norm. Playing below his ranking and getting further and further away from even a late 2nd round pick.
Should we now retroactively forgive Andrew Dakich and Spike Albrecht? Asking for a friend.
Love Spike. Nothing will change that. Andrew Dakich was a scrub and isn’t worth remembering let alone forgiving. That might be a little harsh but so be it.
I didn't realize either one was ever blamed for anything. If I recall, Spike's hips gave out on him, and Dakich was basically a bench mob guy.
Haha yeah, I was mostly kidding... Agree about Spike. I think Dak caught flak because he transferred to Ohio St. If Dickinson did that... well, he'd deserve whatever grief he'd get.
I always thought it was for the unreasonable dislike of Dan Dakich
I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as an unreasonable dislike of Dan Dakich. And I say that as the one guy in the pool who had Indiana beating UNC in 1984.
IIRC, the Michigan medical staff wouldn't clear Spike to play his last year whereas PU's did.
From what I remember, Spike ‘retired’, then changed his mind after all of the scholarships and roster was set, so he transferred.
I definitely appreciate what Hunter did while he was here. And I can understand why he's leaving. He's got one more year, and he doesn't want to spend that time on a team that might struggle to finish .500. He wants to go to one that can make a tournament run. Plus, as he probably doesn't have an NBA future, he'd like to get as good an NIL deal as he can. His decision is very logical, and the frontal lobe of my brain gets that.
But speaking for myself, my Michigan fandom has little to do with logic, and everything to do with emotion. (If you saw me during certain games, you'd think it has more to do with psychopathy.) I root for the team first and the player second. And Hunter's decision, while brimming with logic, pisses me off because it hurts my team. Plus, to be honest, there's an element of rejection here. He's not some guy who happens to play for another school. He's the guy who made the conscious decision to leave Michigan. Granted, his decision is not on the level of Justin Boren / Greg Mattison traitorous villiany, but it's not a decision I can lightly dismiss, either.
So I truly hope he doesn't end up playing for a B1G team. Because if he does, my logical frontal lobe and rage-fueled lizard brain are gonna be duking it out every time we play them. And I'm not sure my blood pressure can survive it.
LJ Cryer from Baylor just entered the portal. Would fix a lot of issues at guard landing him
I want us to get all of the best players (who won't go pro before they've accomplished anything), but college sports, basketball especially, is starting to feel very much like a bad version of pro sports.
... which was entirely foreseeable once the NCAA's house of cards started collapsing.
You're right. College basketball is basically the NBA with worse players and no trades right now.
The system was so awful and so unfair to student - athletes prior to the implementation of NIL. This is the punishment for that system.
The system wasn't unfair to student athletes. It was unfair to football players and basketball players who had no interest in being students.
You know what cracks me up about NIL? That the NCAA and schools dont pay kids for their NIL. Not a penny. Sure they feed them and assign them one of the seats in a few classes (aka screen time at OSU). All this NIL talk and kids arent getting paid for their NIL from $100mil surplus athletic departments. Boosters are pitching in to entice them to come and play though. Some day we are going to have a big laugh at what we are currently naming this time in college sports.
Sure, but it is the school who gives them the platform and exposure. No one is getting NIL playing in a rec league.
My theater is giving Tom Cruise the platform and exposure. The hell you talking about and how long have been in a Power 5 admin role?
I would agree but say it’s actually worse. Unlike professional sports in which athletes and teams typically have multi-year agreements, every college athlete is now essentially a free agent at all times. The old system was clearly a bad one for the athletes; the new one is bad for the fans. Hopefully this is a transition period at the end of which the system will find equilibrium for all parties.
There's a very easy way to fix this, and that's by giving the athletes 4 year contracts and paying them. The NCAA is obviously going to fight tooth and nail to have that happen, but that's the only feasible way I see out of this.