Hoek

April 3rd, 2023 at 5:56 PM ^

Better watch out, any bad remarks about Michigan basketball and Juwan are immediately negged on this board.

I for one agree with you, this program is in serious trouble, I love Juwan, the Fab Five and all things Michigan, but he is our slightly more successful Scott Frost, he should be fired, and it’s going to be really hard to watch. 
 

id even bet that if basketball has a horrible season next year, Juwan takes an assistant job in the NBA and Michigan protects him saying it was a mutual parting.

The Geek

April 3rd, 2023 at 8:16 PM ^

agree, next season is going to be rough.

our “one and done’s” are crippling us. need to recruit like Beilein and develop system guys who will stick around for 3-5 years.

doesn’t help tom the troll had a great class last year and the incoming class is loaded. 

 

Hail-Storm

April 4th, 2023 at 10:00 AM ^

Funny thing is that Beilein brought in projects that ended up leaving early.  No fault of his or the kids who wanted to get to the NBA.  I think if Michigan had kept DJ, they may have won the second National Championship.  I like Juwan and want to give him more time.  Beilein had similar calls for his head in 116 I think, but had great run after that.  I'd ay a few more years

 

Beaublue

April 3rd, 2023 at 8:56 PM ^

College basketball teams have always had turnover and so rosters are constantly changing.  Obviously now exaggerated in the portal era.

Jett may be a good NBA player one day, but he was not a good college player and his spot will likely see a better player.

Hunter?  Losing him could be addition by subtraction.  He was not a good defender and I never bought into the claim that he was a good passer.  He wasn't.  And not a good rebounder.   

Kobe? yes a loss, but again, count up the number of players we have lost to the NBA in recent years and somehow managed to have a decent team.

Next year, the team will have two 4* and one 5* as we stand now.   And that's not including the D2 Ohio POY coming in. 

It will be a process to see what our team will be next year.   But I think it will be a better team than most are thinking. 

RadOWon

April 4th, 2023 at 11:37 AM ^

I agree, to me the people calling for Howard's head are the same know-nothings who called for Harbaugh's head.

There is a lot of transition in college bball right now, just look at this years final four. If that doesnt speak volumes nothing else can. M had a chance to finish second in the B1G with two games left and couldnt finish which described their season, couldnt finish. This speaks to more of a chemistry problem than anything. Maybe a roster turnover is needed but calling for Howard's head after a down year that still ended in a winning record is a bit premature.

BlueinPhilly

April 3rd, 2023 at 6:37 PM ^

This is a ridiculous comparison--Howard has taken the team to the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight.  Frost never even sniffed a winning season at Nebraska and was quite literally one of their worst football coaches of all time (by winning percentage).  

IMHO, it is too early to tell anything about how next season is going to go--who thought Northwestern would be one of the best teams in the league and would make it to the tournament? Raise your hand, I can't see you on the internet. Anyone? The portal taketh, but it will giveth as well.

2manylincs

April 3rd, 2023 at 7:03 PM ^

Scott frost? Coach Howard has already been infinitely more successful than frost. 

Brady hoke? Throw it out there.

Ed orgeron? That's probably my best comp.

Pat Ewing? At least you didn't have the balls to go there. Others on here have.

Scott frost just screams you're a moron..

2manylincs

April 3rd, 2023 at 10:37 PM ^

Yes, the 2 time all American with no NBA prospect wants to go on the open market.  Cool.

The 2 young guys who will go in the 1st round want to get to their 2nd contract as early as they can bc of the structure of the NBA CBA.

Barnes was given every chance to live up to his promise athletically, was probably told he wouldn't get there, and left. 

I would expect more firm handshakes based on talent level on display. I will not speculate on who that will be... but.

Is Tarris gone? Lets talk. Dug? Joey and Llewellyn are applying for 6th yrs to stay. Is Yoyo talking to a french paper that hasnt been linked here?

If you want to argue that Howard cannot recruit well, go for it. I would argue that they dont identify talent that will stay in school, and thats a different argument. But at least thats a coherent argument to have. 

EVERYONE WANTS OUT! Is not a coherent argument.

 

rice4114

April 3rd, 2023 at 7:22 PM ^

Im afraid we are in a bad place but if you are replacing alumni coaches after back to back sweet 16 seasons good luck with good replacements. The only option is to hope Juwan pulls us out of this nose dive. You dont coach a big ten champ team and back to back sweet 16s then forget how to coach. Well at any other school you dont do that. 

oriental andrew

April 4th, 2023 at 8:54 AM ^

Exactly. Scott Frost's coaching reputation was built off that one season at UCF. He has a losing record in his 6 other seasons as a head coach (including 2022 when he went 1-2 before being fired). 

Juwan Howard actually has a WINNING overall record in all 4 seasons so far. His worst conference season was his first season during the COVID year when the team was 10-10 in BT play. 

So yeah, Frost is a terrible comp for Juwan. 

TrueBlue2003

April 4th, 2023 at 12:39 PM ^

I assume you're getting negged because to suggest he's only slightly more successful that Scott Frost is completely absurd.  He has an elite 8 and a sweet 16 and only once failed to reach at least the sweet 16.

Has he even had a losing record in big ten play in any season?

nerv

April 3rd, 2023 at 4:51 PM ^

If this happens I hope we just ignore Hunter when/if we play. Hes going to be coming in looking to be a villain and rile people up. I would neither cheer nor boo him, just treat him as some journeyman big who barely holds our interest.

RobM_24

April 3rd, 2023 at 5:15 PM ^

There are over 1,000 players in the transfer portal. Dickinson isn't doing anything out of the norm for modern college basketball. There's no reason not to appreciate what he did while he was here. It's just an adjustment to get used to players moving around like this. 

Bill22

April 3rd, 2023 at 8:29 PM ^

I hope that doesn’t happen.  I loved him in the Maize and Blue.  I can’t see myself turning on him fully.  That screams pro sports, which is sad.  I hope it will be more like when UM players are on pro teams I don’t like.  I cheer for the player and against the team (not easy to do).

shoes

April 4th, 2023 at 6:09 AM ^

But he is a professional basketball player, essentially being paid to play. I’m not big on booing individual players but I won’t criticize anyone who chooses to boo him, the “he’s just a kid busting his butt for the school” argument, no longer applies. 

Sam1863

April 4th, 2023 at 4:20 AM ^

I definitely appreciate what Hunter did while he was here. And I can understand why he's leaving. He's got one more year, and he doesn't want to spend that time on a team that might struggle to finish .500. He wants to go to one that can make a tournament run. Plus, as he probably doesn't have an NBA future, he'd like to get as good an NIL deal as he can. His decision is very logical, and the frontal lobe of my brain gets that.

But speaking for myself, my Michigan fandom has little to do with logic, and everything to do with emotion. (If you saw me during certain games, you'd think it has more to do with psychopathy.) I root for the team first and the player second. And Hunter's decision, while brimming with logic, pisses me off because it hurts my team. Plus, to be honest, there's an element of rejection here. He's not some guy who happens to play for another school. He's the guy who made the conscious decision to leave Michigan. Granted, his decision is not on the level of Justin Boren / Greg Mattison traitorous villiany, but it's not a decision I can lightly dismiss, either.

So I truly hope he doesn't end up playing for a B1G team. Because if he does, my logical frontal lobe and rage-fueled lizard brain are gonna be duking it out every time we play them. And I'm not sure my blood pressure can survive it.

cobra14

April 3rd, 2023 at 4:52 PM ^

LJ Cryer from Baylor just entered the portal. Would fix a lot of issues at guard landing him

rice4114

April 3rd, 2023 at 7:31 PM ^

You know what cracks me up about NIL? That the NCAA and schools dont pay kids for their NIL. Not a penny. Sure they feed them and assign them one of the seats in a few classes (aka screen time at OSU). All this NIL talk and kids arent getting paid for their NIL from $100mil surplus athletic departments. Boosters are pitching in to entice them to come and play though. Some day we are going to have a big laugh at what we are currently naming this time in college sports.

The Sea Was Angry

April 3rd, 2023 at 5:10 PM ^

I would agree but say it’s actually worse. Unlike professional sports in which athletes and teams typically have multi-year agreements, every college athlete is now essentially a free agent at all times. The old system was clearly a bad one for the athletes; the new one is bad for the fans. Hopefully this is a transition period at the end of which the system will find equilibrium for all parties.